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French presidential election 2017

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by AdrienIer, Nov 20, 2016.

  1. AdrienIer

    AdrienIer Deity

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    11 to be precise.

    The presidential election just ended, and the parliamentary elections are now starting. How's it looking ?

    -The FN is trying to stay united. Even though there's a riot in progress. Marine Le Pen managed to stall it by asking everyone to behave until the end of the election season.
    -The right has "united" behind one of Sarkozy's darling François Barouin, and he'll be leading the campaign for them. He's already said that he would be prime minister if the right has an outright majority. If they have to do a coalition with Macron's people no one knows what they'll do. Bruno Le Maire, who was a candidate at the right's presidential primary, has already said he was ready to work with Macron starting right now, so the party is already not unified. More importantly, some journalists claim to have information about Juppé and his supporters having talks with Macron to join him. That would be a huge blow for the right.
    -En Marche is putting together a list of candidates. Manuel Valls, former prime minister and losing candidate for the left wing primary, will be seeking reelection under their banner. I just heard that the mayor from a town near mine wants to leave the greens and be a candidate for En Marche as well.
    -The PS is in shambles, but with enough incumbents and high profile candidates they might hold on. Although they're losing their right wing to En Marche, so maybe they won't have so many high profile candidates.
    -The far left is also in a problematic situation. Due to Mélenchon being a dick to everyone including his allies, the communists and Mélenchon's people are running candidates against each other everywhere. How they intend to get to the second round in more than 20 places is still a mystery.
     
  2. Akka

    Akka Moody old mage.

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    Getting rid of Mélenchon and the right wing of the PS could maybe allow for a truly left-wing union. But I'm not really hopeful.
     
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  3. Kraznaya

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    I heard that EM already nominated a different candidate for Valls' constituency?
     
  4. AdrienIer

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    Valls announced this morning that he would be candidate for EM. So I suppose the other person has stepped down
     
  5. Lillefix

    Lillefix I'm serious. You can.

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    Sounds like a double edged sword if he joins. He might carry a bit of weight but it would seem like the socialist party v2.
     
  6. AdrienIer

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    Lol, En Marche just said that if Valls wants to be candidate for them he needs to go through the internal process like everyone else, and that for now there's someone against him.
     
  7. Kraznaya

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    As far as I know Macron has a bit of a grudge against Valls from their time together in government, even if their positions look similar on the political spectrum. It's not like Valls is popular either so there doesn't seem to be an advantage to him taking Valls, unless Valls can get more popular PS ministers (are there any left at this rate?) behind him.
     
  8. warpus

    warpus In pork I trust

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    Yeah I realize that, my point is that out of all those candidates the best the French democracy was capable of was presenting two duds for the people to pick from.
     
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  9. Kyriakos

    Kyriakos Alien spiral maker

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    It is a shame that no actual socialist/left candidate ended up being nominated. Another lost chance.
     
  10. EnglishEdward

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    I don't know. The investment bankers can also claim to own France now.
     
  11. Gigaz

    Gigaz civoholic

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    On the other hand, France is now surely not owned by Putin.
     
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  12. Takhisis

    Takhisis Jinping, wer fragt uns?

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    How much natural gas does Russia export to EU member states these days?
     
  13. AdrienIer

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    We get our natural resources from our former African colonies, not from Russia
     
  14. Takhisis

    Takhisis Jinping, wer fragt uns?

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    Yes, but what about the rest of the EU?

    On topic, since you bring it up, I've just read an article that states that, while yes, Macron's policies might end up helping fuel the sense of alienation behind Le Pen's regrettably large numbers of voters, at last a candidate has been chosen who has called the actions of the former French colonial regime ‘barbaric’ -and yes, compares this to the position of Brexiteers about the lost greatness of the country and the still unresolved post-imperial identity crisis in the UK.
     
  15. Ryika

    Ryika Lazy Wannabe Artista

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    ...and don't you wish you could go back in history and "unread" it? I certainly do.
     
  16. Takhisis

    Takhisis Jinping, wer fragt uns?

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    Given that you are a person who opened a thread to discuss whether your opponents should be subdued by force and in this very thread you have stated that Marine (formerly surnamed Le Pen) lost because people were chauvinistic against her, I think I can safely disregard your comment.
     
  17. Ryika

    Ryika Lazy Wannabe Artista

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    I'm pretty sure I didn't actually do that. Instead, I opened a thread where I asked whether people agree with the logic that some people on the right use. While looking back at the thread I see that I didn't do the best job at presenting the thread as what I wanted it to be, but I'm pretty baffled that you would phrase it like that, even though we had that exact same discussion in that very same thread, where I clarified my position, and why I asked the question in the first place.

    Well yeah, it's pretty much a running gag since "She lost because she's a woman!" was one of the main defenses people gave when Hillary lost. If Le Pen were a Far-Left candidate, that argument would surely come up.

    Sorry if you thought I was being serious I guess.

    Given that it was just a stupid, non-substantiated oneliner, I don't think you even need any good reasons for doing so.
     
  18. Verbose

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    Interesting question.

    More than ever. 2016 was a record year. Leading to headlines like this:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...russian-gas-to-hit-record-highs-this-year-sa/

    But the deeper story rather seems to be this:
    http://energypost.eu/depoliticization-european-gas-market/

    The EU publishes stats on energy imports too:
    http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Energy_production_and_imports

    Effectively the market has expanded, Gazprom exports more than ever, but has been forced to reduce prices to EU averages, or lower, to compete. I.e. the EU insistence that Russia cannot have a position as sole supplier, and alternatives should be found, seems to have worked. (It's still pretty uneven, with some EU countries in the east still without many options besides Russia.) It has forced Gazprom to compete with price instead. It's successful at that, but its usefulness to the Russian government as a political tool to exert pressure with would be reduced. So, effectively a happy situation of continued trading with Russia for the mutual benefit of both has been created — just on an actual market, and not some kind of Russian-pseudo monopoly where it can turn the tap off an plunge Europe into darkness at will. (Putin might have been a bit short-sighted a couple of years ago, pulling stunts like that, which was pure Soviet-play-book.)

    The relative lack of news about this would seem to stem from the fact that while Russia is still there, still selling, it's no longer much of an issue. If Russia takes it toys and goes home, the gas will just come form somewhere else now, and at roughly similar price. So the newsworthiness of Russian gas exports has kind of collapsed.

    Me, I'm usually struck by how all infographics about Russian gas dependency seems to puts Sweden at 100% reliance on Russian gas. I appreciate that Sweden can be tricky for the wonks to understand, since Sweden effectively doesn't use natural gas (90% hydroelectric and nuclear), and they get 0% and 100% confused. (There's a trace amount of cooking gas used in Stockholm, but that is usually bought from Denmark or Norway.)
     
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  19. Mise

    Mise isle of lucy

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    I sincerely wish that France prosper.
     
  20. Kraznaya

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    The rumor circuit right now is that Macron will choose a PM from the LRs. Since it seems like the right-wing Socialists will already join him, it seems like he will be able to destroy the two main political parties at once and consolidate power under him.

    Next step, declaring himself first consul? :p
     

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