French presidential election 2024

[Verbose]

Is Macron allowed to run for a third term?

Nope, not since reforms in 2008. Now he's got another five years to make-over France, that won't much like anything he's planning.

But even then he's the first president in a couple of generations to swing a re-election? He could still be on the path of becoming one of the great French presidents – perhaps not liked, but...

 

[EnglishEdward]

Thank goodness. Was not looking forward to a French Putin.

 

[Verbose]

Thank goodness. Was not looking forward to a French Putin.

You would have preferred le Pen?

 

[thetrooper]

Thank goodness. Was not looking forward to a French Putin.

Poutine?

 

[Ajidica]

Nope, not since reforms in 2008. Now he's got another five years to make-over France, that won't much like anything he's planning.

But even then he's the first president in a couple of generations to swing a re-election? He could still be on the path of becoming one of the great French presidents – perhaps not liked, but...

So what then? Is Macron's party institutional enough now it can be separated from him? The Socialists and Republicans (those were the two major french parties, right?) have collapsed. I'm pretty sure I read the Socialists got so few votes they failed to get government reimbursement of election expenses.

 

[Dadais]

He could still be on the path of becoming one of the great French presidents

Hell no.

Inflation is back, export-import balance is growing more and more negative, the french community is dividing more and more and, last but not least, he's perpetuating submission to the Us when the brics are breaking appart from the Us hegominy.

Days are gonna be hard for french people. White bread got eaten.

 

[Dadais]

You would have preferred le Pen?

Ha ha no.

The "French Poutine" got used by Ms LePen, as someone who consider his countries interests before the german, the chinese or the us interests.
It got used against her with the Ukraine war by her opposant as a "French Hitler".

Easy propaganda

 

[EnglishEdward]

You would have preferred le Pen?

Change is interesting, continuity can be boring.

What I really meant is that leaders can be there for too long.

I would prefer a more socialist leader.

But it is not my country, and there is a level of detail that I am ignorant of.

 

[AdrienIer]

So what then? Is Macron's party institutional enough now it can be separated from him? The Socialists and Republicans (those were the two major french parties, right?) have collapsed. I'm pretty sure I read the Socialists got so few votes they failed to get government reimbursement of election expenses.

Both parties didn't get their reimbursement.
Macron's succession is being played in the background, with Édouard Philippe (PM from 2017 to 2020) already preparing his bid.

 

[EvaDK]

France is in urgent need of reforms, especially in its labor/employer legislations.

Perhaps a President Macron that doesn't have to worry about getting re-elected again, has the clout and opportunity to make necessary and unpopular choices, for the long term benefit of France.

 

[Zardnaar]

France is in urgent need of reforms, especially in its labor/employer legislations.

Perhaps a President Macron that doesn't have to worry about getting re-elected again, has the clout and opportunity to make necessary and unpopular choices, for the long term benefit of France.

Lol he won't unless he is forced to by circumstances.

 

[Verbose]

Lol he won't unless he is forced to by circumstances.

Weeall, seems part of why he is so massively unpopular. Trying to teach France new tricks... (Strange Scandi-double-vision thing going on – he's acting much like a Nordic Social Democrat PM might...)

Some reforms maybe, after all? Wouldn't it be a bit of a pity if France ended up something like Italy?

 

[Zardnaar]

Weeall, seems part of why he is so massively unpopular. Trying to teach France new tricks... (Strange Scandi-double-vision thing going on – he's acting much like a Nordic Social Democrat PM might...)

Some reforms maybe, after all? Wouldn't it be a bit of a pity if France ended up something like Italy?

Well I was thinking something like the war escalating or economic problems force some reforms.

I'm assuming Macrons a neo lib type idk exact details of French society, trends etc.

 

[innonimatu]

Le Pen literally wants to give policemen a "right to kill", wants to change the constitution instantly to give her party a likely win at the parliementary election in June, and wants to ban the islamic veil from the streets. Unfortunatly she's not the same as Macron, she's the end of the french republic. But it's true that Macron deserves to lose and to be remembered as the one who was so bad he let France be destroyed.

What Le Pen wanted anyway was irrelevant because she would never have the power to get it through. It would be the fact she got elected, if she did, that would signal changes to other politicians, who, professional opportunists that they are, would become important later on. As it is, France is stuck with broken politics and a lame duck Macron who also cannot get anything relevant done. Oligarchs of course will remain oligarchs, but politics will continue broken - which suits them just fine. How the pieces may fall is now a different question, mode possibilities I'll say. The oligarchs, the current situation is perfect for them and if possible they'll keep it going. Another Macron must be produced... keep neoliberalism going.

 

[Marla_Singer]

France is in urgent need of reforms, especially in its labor/employer legislations.

Perhaps a President Macron that doesn't have to worry about getting re-elected again, has the clout and opportunity to make necessary and unpopular choices, for the long term benefit of France.

Macron was described only a few pages earlier as "the French Thatcher" by @AdrienIer. Of course I agree with you that it is nonsensical to describe as "Thatcher" someone who spent hundreds of billions of public money to pay for all private activities that were forced to close down during covid. But that is France, a country where people don't realize the chance, the chance, they have to live in.

A country where we can succesfully study, even in the most prestigious great schools and universities, without having to borrow hundreds of thousands of euros. A country where we can be healed of a cancer without having to spend a euro, no matter how expensive is the treatment. A country with beautiful, well-maintained, cities having all required public transit, with brand new shiny trams even in smaller ones. A country with beautiful and diverse landscapes and regions which are an absolute joy to visit made easily accessible by high-speed rail. A country hosting the largest number of private swimming pools in the world after the United States. A country where people, in their large majority, live well.

Yet a country where people are convinced to live in hell. I can't understand how anyone can expect things to get better in turning our back to our NATO and EU allies, going in full Venezuela or Serbia mode and allying with Putin's Russia. It seems to me people are severely misguided, don't see what they have, and get largely misinformed on social networks.

 

[João III]

Macron was described only a few pages earlier as "the French Thatcher" by @AdrienIer. Of course I agree with you that it is nonsensical to describe as "Thatcher" someone who spent hundreds of billions of public money to pay for all private activities that were forced to close down during covid. But that is France, a country where people don't realize the chance, the chance, they have to live in.

A country where we can succesfully study, even in the most prestigious great schools, without having to borrow hundreds of thousands of euros. A country where we can be healed of a cancer without having to spend a euro, no matter how expensive is the treatment. A country with beautiful, well-maintained, cities having all required public transit. A country with beautiful and diverse landscapes and regions which are an absolute joy to visit. A country hosting the largest number of private swimming pools in the world after the United States. A country where people, in their large majority, live well.

Yet a country where people are convinced to live in hell. I can't understand how anyone can expect things to get better in turning our back to our NATO and EU allies, going in full Venezuela or Serbia mode and allying with Putin's Russia. It seems to me people are severely misguided, don't see what they have, and get largely misinformed on social networks.

"A well-fed person has many problems, a hungry person has but one.”

 

[innonimatu]

Macron was described only a few pages earlier as "the French Thatcher" by @AdrienIer. Of course I agree with you that it is nonsensical to describe as "Thatcher" someone who spent hundreds of billions of public money to pay for all private activities that were forced to close down during covid. But that is France, a country where people don't realize the chance, the chance, they have to live in.

A country where we can succesfully study, even in the most prestigious great schools and universities, without having to borrow hundreds of thousands of euros. A country where we can be healed of a cancer without having to spend a euro, no matter how expensive is the treatment. A country with beautiful, well-maintained, cities having all required public transit, even brand new shiny trams in the smaller ones. A country with beautiful and diverse landscapes and regions which are an absolute joy to visit. A country hosting the largest number of private swimming pools in the world after the United States. A country where people, in their large majority, live well.

The UK was all that until Thatcher's work got done. Macron is just always into his work, give him time.

Actually he's out of time. In July he won't have a parliamentary majority. Lucky you. But France cannot escape the greater mess that Europe in is after so many years of stupid moves. Every crisis I could think of is blowing at the same time.

 

[Marla_Singer]

The UK was all that until Thatcher's work got done. Macron is just always into his work, give him time.

Actually he's out of time. In July he won't have a parliamentary majority. Lucky you. But France cannot escape the greater mess that Europe in is after so many years of stupid moves. Every crisis I could think of is blowing at the same time.

Stop with hatred, that doesn't make you more interesting to read. Quite the opposite actually.

 

[innonimatu]

Hatred? Hatred for what, Thatcher and Macron? Guilty as charged. But my mood is rather despondent, I see a very nasty decade ahead and opportunities to avoid it closing fast.

I will say that if abstention was only 28%, I'm really surprised. Many people held their nose to vote for Macron. I've abstained from commenting lately because there was no good choice in this election anyway. Melenchon would have had a chance of winning, but that required Macon not making it to the second round. And even Melenchon, I keep recalling him marching with unsavory types until recently.

 

[Estebonrober]

I'm glad Le Pen lost if for no other reason that its one less "western supremacist" on the global stage...

I'm not sure what France can do about global inflation and the collapse of a global economy that is falling back into its hyper nationalist ways pretty fast now