Frida Kahlo as curveball leader for Mexico

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What do you think of the possibility of Frida Kahlo being included as a leader in Civ 7?

This is purely speculative, but I have a strange feeling that she might make it into the game as a left-field leader choice.

Two of the key changes with Civ 7 are the uncoupling of civs from leaders and the expansion of leaders to include non-political figures rather than just rulers. From the latest livestream, we know that Mexico is in the game as a modern civ, but we haven't yet seen any other central or southern American leaders, and the jury is still out whether Aztecs will make it into the base game.

I think this could provide the ground for Firaxis taking a risk and including Kahlo as a leader, tied to Mexico but suitable for Maya/Aztec in the base game and other 'Latin American' civs that might be added.

Kahlo is a recognisable icon with her striking monobrow and colourful outfits, and would work great visually. She's a hero to many and would provide another female leader with feminist credentials.

While Kahlo is primarily known as an artist, and therefore could be quite a leap for Firaxis to include alongside global leaders, she was also intensely political and involved in politics. Kahlo was a member of the Mexican Communist Party and dedicated much of her life to anti-imperialist and socialist politics. Her leading role in the Mexicayotl movement, which sought to revive Aztec and indigenous religious and cultural practices, also lends nicely to having her lead Maya->Aztec in the first two ages, and could provide cool visual references in her leader image.

I realise it's unlikely but let me know what you think!

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This theory is plausible enough. Machiavelli blew the door wide open.

Truth be told, having Kahlo in the game would probably end up making me sad. She suffered so much in her life time that defeating her in-game would just be rubbing salt in the wound (yes, I know she's dead, but a tortured soul is a tortured soul).
 
Kahlo is a legitimate choice, although I believe her husband, Diego Rivera, might be a more significant influence on Mexican identity and political discourse through his public murals.
 
She'd be a gimmick.

Painters did hold political influence to some degree, historically at least. Pieter Paul Rubens, one of the Flemish masters (arguably the greatest of them all) had such a good reputation for his craft that he was also "commissioned" to participate in political negotiations on behalf of the Habsburgs as an envoy and diplomat. Everyone wanted a Rubens in their home or cathedral, and were willing to aquiesce to the (political) terms he would lay on the table in return.

Even with all of that, I would consider Rubens an extreme curveball choice and Kahlo even MORE of a head-scratcher. She was poltically active as a communist in her life, sure, but never wielded political influence and her works were not fully appreciated until two decades after her death.
 
I really like Frida Kahlo as an artist, and think she is deservedly iconic. She has become very fashionable, so I could see it happening.

Personally my pick for a Mexican leader if we get one would be Emiliano Zapata, but only if his gameplay abilities and agenda were suitably revolutionary!
 
I'm extremely doubtful they'll include a leader that would cause most users to go "who the heck is that"
 
I'm extremely doubtful they'll include a leader that would cause most users to go "who the heck is that"
They should, though. I learn a lot by wondering, "Who the heck is that?"
 
I'm extremely doubtful they'll include a leader that would cause most users to go "who the heck is that"
She wouldn't be the first.
 
What's next, then? Comedians? Cartoon characters? House pets?
If they influence national identity or culture, they should be given consideration.
 
But she isn't the first artist that I would choose for leading a civ, not even close.
That's an interesting question then - who is?

I tried to think of any film directors, since that's my field, but (even ignoring that most of them are too recent) I had a difficult time coming up with one whose leadership extended beyond the film set in a satisfying manner. I suppose Luis Bunuel could be a candidate, as he was an active communist party member, and his critique of Franco got him banned from his home country (if I remember correctly, his Viridiana was submitted as an official Spanish entry to Cannes in the 60s, but he managed to avoid showing the finished product to the authorities who upon seeing the film at the festival were incredibly furious about the blatant denunciation of the regime that this movie was). He also has links to Spain, Mexico and France. The French New Wave authors were also quite outspoken politically, as for example Francois Truffaut led not only the artistic movement, but cultural protests in 1968. There are naturally also politically active directors from Poland during the time of the People's Republic, but I'm not quite sure any of the above are a hit.

I would find it very cool to play as an artist in Civ, but I want the choice of the individual to be a strong figure.
 
Imo it's not a terribly bad choice, but still rather bizarre.
And it would open the door for Taylor Swift. Personally I want Britain to have as leader Right Said Fred.
Obviously, it's going to be Jane Austen
 
No. Right Said Fred is better :)

On a more serious note, having artists as leaders is not imo a good idea. The game isn't called Leader. It'd be ridiculous to have Homer (or 100 other famous names, not in politics) as leader of Greece. Though at least Plato is tied to politics, and I wouldn't mind him in the game; besides, his family line includes Solon the legislator, Plato was a very obvious member of the aristocracy.
 
I think it's perfectly fine. Leading a government is one thing. Leading public discourse is another, and demonstrates a less tangible, but no less effective form of power that could be appropriately named Persuasion.
 
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