We can still go south past Tokyo.
Yes, I also think it is very hard to do before the axes come, and even if we succeed we will have lost lots of time and hammers. Try another map?
FTS-03 King of Prussia
- Thread starter Conroe
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Well, I'm certainly not a good enough player on Emperor to pull off a no strategic resources variant.
I have no problem with rolling a new map. However, I will wait and see what the rest of the team would like to do first. It would be great, though, if everyone could voice their opinion within the next 12 hours. Thanks!
New map for me, will be fairly impossible otherwise, especially if Toko has metals.
I played the rest of my turns just to see if I could find iron on the other islands, but no luck. I vote for a new map, using the same settings.
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Sweetacshon
In the foetal position
There is a slight possibility that we can move thru the far NE of our island, if you take a look. Another option is grabbing archery (3turns) and trying to overwhelm Toku. While we are at war, we could slide some settlers onto the island to our west, and if there is no iron here.... reroll. It is not great, but we haven't exhausted ALL options yet.
shyuhe
Deity
yeah, there is the slim possibility that we might find iron on the other island. Also, there are other islands that we can settle if we "war" with Toku. Maybe there's some iron out there?
Since a couple of folks thought it might be worth it to press on, I went ahead and played a few more turns.
I'm not sure how we were able to determine that Tokugawa has no metal. Our Warrior was still aboard the Galley when I loaded the save. I went ahead and explored as much of his land as I could without declaring on him. I saw no evidence of any metals; however, there is still a bit under the fog that we cannot see. The trade screen tells me he has 5 cities, but we can only see 3 of them.
The island off to the west has been explored. Our Work Boat was unable to see one tile. Unless there is some iron under that tile, this island will also be metal free.
The northeast route leads to a small ice covered island.
To summarize: We have no metal. We have no idea whether Tokugawa has metal or not. If we declare on him, we can settle the western island. It has plenty of food which will allow for more whipping. However, we have only a single happiness resource.
Edit: I declared on Tokugawa and played 2 more turns. He does have iron. It is just not hooked up, yet.
I'm not sure how we were able to determine that Tokugawa has no metal. Our Warrior was still aboard the Galley when I loaded the save. I went ahead and explored as much of his land as I could without declaring on him. I saw no evidence of any metals; however, there is still a bit under the fog that we cannot see. The trade screen tells me he has 5 cities, but we can only see 3 of them.
The island off to the west has been explored. Our Work Boat was unable to see one tile. Unless there is some iron under that tile, this island will also be metal free.
The northeast route leads to a small ice covered island.
To summarize: We have no metal. We have no idea whether Tokugawa has metal or not. If we declare on him, we can settle the western island. It has plenty of food which will allow for more whipping. However, we have only a single happiness resource.
Edit: I declared on Tokugawa and played 2 more turns. He does have iron. It is just not hooked up, yet.
shyuhe
Deity
soooooo. We could theoretically pile a bunch of archers on the iron tile to keep him from hooking it up, then tech to construction using library specialists? That sounds like an awful way to war, but it might be possible.
shyuhe
Deity
am I up? Or are we re-rolling? I don't mind either way.
Sweetacshon
In the foetal position
It depends on how fun we think it will be. CiV shouldn't be hard work. Personaly I am always up for a challenge, and this is certainly a challenge. I vote play on until all hope is lost, but if everyone wants to reroll, that's also ok.
Happy to keep playing if others want but not sure it is a challange we can win the game from.
The iron is on a flat grassland tile. If we could have put an Archer on a hill, then that would work.
Yeah, it would be a challenge all right.
I'd probably be willing to give it a go on Monarch. I'm not too sure about Emperor. We'd have to 
an army of Archers. With only a single happiness resource, we would be limited to using the whip 4 times in each city. After that, a size 1 city would be angry and unable to grow. I just don't feel that we would be able to field a large enough force with only 3 cities to take on five of Tokugawa's cities. Especially when he is starting to put CG1 Archers in some of his cities.I'd be inclined to roll a new start. But reading some of this feedback, I get the impression that some of you really want to press this forward.
shyuhe
Deity
well, we're on writing now. We can set up library specialists with a few whips and hit construction pretty fast and try a catapult assault too. We can probably ship most of the units with 2 boats. Does toku have horses? If he only has metal and no horses, I'd like to give it a shot.
Looks like folks want a challenge ... 
... I finished out my turnset, then. Most of the pictures, you've already seen, so I shan't go over them again. Instead, I'll start with the last picture that I took. It just kind of says it all, I think ...
Here is the turn-by-turn detailed report ...
Or if you prefer, the short version. Researched Archery, Writing, and started on Mathematics (with an eye toward Construction). Built 2 more Galleys and 11 Archers in total. Most of the Archers are on GoTo orders.
I landed a Settler and an Archer on the western island. I didn't found a city, yet. I'm thinking the Settler should go to the tundra tile at the very tip of the island. It will pick up 3 food resources.
As I mentioned in an earlier post, I declared war on Tokugawa to get a better look at his lands. Up until the last turn, it had been a phoney war. Having spotted a Worker (for our new island), I landed one Archer on a hill and captured the Worker (on flatland) with the other Archer. The Worker is on a Galley ready to be ferried across the channel.
Those 2 Archers were enroute to the forest tile next to Tokugawa's mine when they stopped for the Worker. After dropping off the Worker, I suggest they continue on their journey.
And last but not least, our finances. We are break even at 0%. Currently, I have our cities MM'ed for growth rather than commerce. This will probably need to be changed.
... I finished out my turnset, then. Most of the pictures, you've already seen, so I shan't go over them again. Instead, I'll start with the last picture that I took. It just kind of says it all, I think ...Here is the turn-by-turn detailed report ...
Spoiler Detailed Turn Report :
I landed a Settler and an Archer on the western island. I didn't found a city, yet. I'm thinking the Settler should go to the tundra tile at the very tip of the island. It will pick up 3 food resources.
As I mentioned in an earlier post, I declared war on Tokugawa to get a better look at his lands. Up until the last turn, it had been a phoney war. Having spotted a Worker (for our new island), I landed one Archer on a hill and captured the Worker (on flatland) with the other Archer. The Worker is on a Galley ready to be ferried across the channel.
Those 2 Archers were enroute to the forest tile next to Tokugawa's mine when they stopped for the Worker. After dropping off the Worker, I suggest they continue on their journey.
And last but not least, our finances. We are break even at 0%. Currently, I have our cities MM'ed for growth rather than commerce. This will probably need to be changed.
shyuhe
Deity
fun fun fun. Got it, will play later today. We probably can't found the extra city if we're breaking even at 0%.
Yeah, you're probably right. By MM'ing the cities for commerce, we can start accumulating some cash. But, we should probably save that for troop support.
Osaka is going to be a tough city to take. A CG1 Archer, fortified in a city on a hill, will be tough to dislodge without swords. I'm wondering if we should concentrate our forces on taking Kyoto? It is up to 4 Archers now, but at least we'd be able to build swords after taking the city. Problem is, I don't know that 10 Archers would be enough to take the city. Any thoughts?
Sweetacshon
In the foetal position
If we can't afford to build a city, can we afford to take one? If we rearrange our cities for commerce, just maybe. Also the dead archers will alleviate some maintenance. I'm not sure which city, Osaka is on a hill, but Kyoto has an extra 20% culture, so... flip a coin?
Give it a crack anyway.. if it fails, we can at least rip up his land.
Give it a crack anyway.. if it fails, we can at least rip up his land.
I'm assuming we'd get a pile of gold coins from taking his capital. That should pay the city maintenance until we get back on our feet. You're right, we'd probably need to raze his other cities, though.
