They weren't very good compared to the British and American ones.
They flew at high altitude and they cloned the B29 because they didn't have a nuclear capable bomber and it was better than anything they had at the time.
Best Soviet WW2 planes were the low altitude ones eg Stormvik and one of the fighters that gave the Germans headaches.
there was nothing else in the world that could compare to B-29 during the WW ll , except projects and what not . lt shows when you compare stuff including the thing that it costed as much as a Manhattan project or it was the most complex engineering project yet done in aviation , with each bomber requiring 5 or 6 times of the effort spent for types that came before . UK needed Lend Lease during the war ; it also needed Washingtons after the war , because it wasn't a piece of cake .
Eh? Turkey is a part of NATO... stating an assertion counter to a simple fact makes you lose any credibility. An attack on Turkey by Russia, especially in the 1970s would have triggered Article 5. Also literally can't understand half of your posts... They ramble and make no coherent sense. They also lack any facts to them and additionally go counter to historical fact.
how can one declare historical fact is followed or otherwise with a notion that there was a specific USAF intention to get USN planes shot down by the lraqis in 1991 , and actually one specific case between '91 and '03 ? All already in Ospreys or similarly on the web ? As in AWACS definitely refusing fire clearance to Tomcats in repeated cases and getting them into risk . Especially the case of the A-7 acting as a SAM supressor . The last one out and when it turns back lraqis launch their jets . F-14s have the lraqis on their radars and cameras but denied clearance ... Turns into a scene of Tomcats criss crossing behind the A-7 which is running away flat out but lraqis are closing in . Because it is a career ending court martial offense , this ignoring commands of AWACS business , they are waiting for the interceptors come close enough to appear on their HUD systems directly . At the final moment as the A-7 pilot is gearing up to turn back , because afterall the A-7 is also a "fighter" however light , the lraqis turn back .
which "makes sense" if one was to remember the days as USN happened to be the "first in" for many international crises and fossilized decision making precluded many of the brighter options as dreamed by the smart people in Washington . When the action did not create enough impression , there was the Tailhook episode .
of course , there is the case of the double Fishbed kill by an F-18 . Which involved lraqis approaching head on and the USN Hawkeye that pressed for shooting . You know conspiracy idiots are idiots and conjure truth out of thin air ? Ah yes , F-14 is big , if developed it will keep on providing a cutting edge to USN carrier airwings . F-18 can keep on providing policing by bombs on mud huts and stuff . F-18 is easier to be replaced , too ...
so , can anyone tell what's wrong with this picture ?
how can one declare historical fact is followed or otherwise with a notion that there was a specific USAF intention to get USN planes shot down by the lraqis in 1991 , and actually one specific case between '91 and '03 ?
All already in Ospreys or similarly on the web ? As in AWACS definitely refusing fire clearance to Tomcats in repeated cases and getting them into risk . Especially the case of the A-7 acting as a SAM supressor . The last one out and when it turns back lraqis launch their jets . F-14s have the lraqis on their radars and cameras but denied clearance ... Turns into a scene of Tomcats criss crossing behind the A-7 which is running away flat out but lraqis are closing in . Because it is a career ending court martial offense , this ignoring commands of AWACS business , they are waiting for the interceptors come close enough to appear on their HUD systems directly . At the final moment as the A-7 pilot is gearing up to turn back , because afterall the A-7 is also a "fighter" however light , the lraqis turn back .
which "makes sense" if one was to remember the days as USN happened to be the "first in" for many international crises and fossilized decision making precluded many of the brighter options as dreamed by the smart people in Washington . When the action did not create enough impression , there was the Tailhook episode .
of course , there is the case of the double Fishbed kill by an F-18 . Which involved lraqis approaching head on and the USN Hawkeye that pressed for shooting . You know conspiracy idiots are idiots and conjure truth out of thin air ? Ah yes , F-14 is big , if developed it will keep on providing a cutting edge to USN carrier airwings . F-18 can keep on providing policing by bombs on mud huts and stuff . F-18 is easier to be replaced , too ...
so , can anyone tell what's wrong with this picture ?
The fact that you think an F-14 is cutting edge and superior to an F-18 is telling enough. The F-14 was retired by the Navy 20 ish years ago. The F-18 is by far the most capable and complex 4th Generation Fighter in existence.
Collectively the point to make here is yes the Russians have some high end military assets but a one for one comparison of assets throughout the past 70 years shows for every Russian asset the American counterpart was vastly superior. This will continue to hold true simply because of the technology gap between the US and Russia.
now ı would be hard pressed to count 10 or even 5 propellerheads in CFC to grasp what's going on here . So , to make it clearer ...
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ı kinda say out of high strategic interests and stuff , USAF (being superior in numbers and assets deployed , also) set the rules of engagement where no Allied jet could open fire on an aircraft without definite and implicit clearance from AWACS planes , also under USAF stuff , disregarding crew coming from other American and foreign services . He is American , ı am not . Plus , ı watched TV on the night of the Disgrace of July 15th , ı know things that can be done ... and am fully ready to discuss 'em , as appropriate .
ı don't remember ever having issues with Colonel , so maybe he is not exactly into the CFC traditions of nobody never caring enough to take me seriously and whatever , too .
so , after ı obliquely mention the AWACS in overall charge failed to clear the USN escorts to rush in , because every serviceman and woman in the US surely has known that USAF never allowed anyone "else" to score a kill , for PR purposes and an F-15 CAP was being called in . This also involved Speicher's flight not given a full alert that they were just about to be attacked by a MiG-25 . Combat Tree and its follow-ons are such a mess , playing with lFF systems , the West can track enemy MiGS better than the enemy can track its own or Western planes ... The specific case after the Desert Storm also involves the same set-up . F-18s sent up to overfly an lraqi airfield in the West , to check the rumours that a MiG-25 has been sneakily forward deployed where it might ambush one of those force-multipliers , a tanker perhaps and beat it fast back to the so called Baghdad Super MEZ , like being covered by the lraqi SAMs . With the set-up requiring the photo Hornet and its wingmen travel in a way that they could almost be intercepted by a top of the line 1945 model prop fighter ...
no , it is too advanced a topic for Civfanatics forum that the "passive defence" F-117 was shot down over Serbia in 1999 by an "active defence" MiG-21 flown by a 50 odd years old Polkovnik . Not even the Russians will touch that , not even with a stick . lt only helps to strengthen the main theme of the post , that ı don't know what ı am talking about .
of course not everybody in uniform is a monster or whatever . Accordingly , the A-7 affair ,which took part in the actual shooting phase of 1991 , as told online by the people who were there , like actually in the cockpit of the said A-7 , always mention the female operator on the AWACS , just about to cry , as she tries to raise someone to assist , as people will die on her watch . Not that hopeless , though . There would be the USAF CAP of F-15s . Some of them specially set-up to accidentally shoot down any lranian interference , so positioning themselves with that in mind . Rodriguez , the top American F-15 pilot with 3 kills was one of such . Because the job involved turning off their lFF he had enough trouble with Saudi F-15s that twice tried to rush 4 American F-15s returning to base , so much that he declared he would fire on the Saudis next time this happened . Silent running F-15s were also around when the Saudis were given their two kills against an lraqi attack attempt on the USN . The Navy was by then very willing to accidentally kill the Allied interceptors , too . True , you will see none of THAT in Ospreys ...
so , what gives ? What's the purpose ? Gaining a bigger percentage of the budget is where the American services excel and it is good thing , too . Unless so occupied they might go out and use their matchless skills on more of some unfortunate people ! But not exactly the whole case . Carrier aviation is rather expensive and ineffective . But as a glaring example , without the carriers , there might have been no hunting Bin Ladin in Afghanistan , as Taliban might have still survived . lt was the carriers that impressed the Pakistani beardies in their security establishment , because the carrier planes would have fought their way in . Without any cases of Arab Goverments citing internal issues to deny basing rights to American units to operate up there . (No , USAF B-52s would do nothing because instead of that America would ally with lndians and it would turn out to be WW lll ) No , it is more about this rather famous Military lndustrial complex , which is rather expensive . Cutting down the number of companies should ease the cost , as the fearfully hurting 1957 White Paper in the UK proves or something ; the relevant Minister is still hated ... That USN should loose the first-in specification . That it should be shown Carrier Air has too many compromises . That it better happen with disasters occurring around the F-14 . Can't escort , can't even defend itself !
it is of course natural to claim that ı imagine the F-14 is superior to F-18E/F with the latter's 20 to 30 years of development . lt would rather be an F-14E , electronics and weapons and engines ugraded and preferably its Typhoon derived flight control system removed ... Considering a few USN admirals from the Cold War period brag that they bankrupted the Soviet Union with their "forward" strategy , which involved the long range capabilities of the F-14 and the A-6 , with the latter inevitably to be replaced by a Cold War Super Tomcat , the numbers are just too cool to not to use .
seems after the terrible ordeals of Kamikazes , USN decided it needed to operate over a thousand nautical miles from its targets . Not just it is still beyond of what so many airforces can achieve even today , but it must be about a full day's steaming for an hostile warship to cover ... F-4s escorting A-4s in 1960s and 70s would do 300 nm ; F-14s escorting A-7s would 500 . Hornet replacing all 4 (by the end) was required to do 400 , but failed to do in its bug form . The subpar Hornet apparently flies out to 410 as a fighter and to 450 loaded for attack . Of course any of those planes would go anywhere with enough USAF tankers but the thing remains , for a Naval F-35 to happen with 700 nm radius , there had to be NO Tomcat ... lt's as simple as that . Because the F-14 could do , what , 600 already ?
nothing to get riled about . Considering ı am of the kind to say the best thing ever placed on a carrier is the tractor beam ...
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this thread has apparently re-fueled local debates that the interest in me is about that ı will sell planes to America . No , ı will not .
even with omitting that ı have designed a dozen different stuff to be used against America , in addition to the dozen dozens ı found already in place , Roper's 72 , the buy quick / use quick scheme is solely designed to buy some numbers of the British artillery spotter , the so called Tempest , as agreed during some Trump - May meeting back in the day . Because the guy's advisers actually told him that it wouldn't work . Because , as people naturally don't know , there is this entire intellectual rights nonsense . Say , even if ı won't but just say that ı sold a fighter series to America , with anti-gravity ... so , like obviously VTOL . After 3 years the patents and all the stuff will belong to USAF and it can contract out anyone it desires and ı will watch my design beingvproduced by the hundreds and twice as expensive because they would love to laugh at me , too . With the call on industrial bigshots to come in and join the fun already in place . Say , Elon Musk can be the head of the greatest aircraft company in 4 years . You know , exactly why he named his latest kid after A-12 , the ClA form of the Blackbird ... Thinking it had to be Lockmart that was doing the cure-every-thermowhatever-plastic-under-100-days stuff , that was like famously flown this year ... Yeah , ı welcome the spectacle of Elon Musk getting to own every bit of Lockmart , factories and patents and the warts . lf he is to become a god of the transhuman era , he can surely achieve a miracle or two !
(the stupid tablet tried to stab me in the back with autocorrecting welcome the spectacle part to "welcominterceptorscle" !)
now supposedly ı say like equal amounts truth and filler . The Armenians during their defeat in Karabağ added some twist to those percentages , even if not against me nor about me nor anything but to sell a lie it has to be no more than 30% of your story (though they were lying 100% by the end) And then there are no standarts , some website is famous for being only 10% correct and gets always cited anyhow . So , anyone in the know will suggest the gibberish must be the spoilered part ...
It would be great if war could be conducted by robots far away from any people, but that is not the way it is going and I do not see it as possible. What is happening is that the rich nations are getting lots of tech that reduces their losses, and that drives their opponents to hide among civilians. Obviously this makes it more dangerous for the civilians, but I think the most dangerous about it is that it allows this idea of a clean war. This makes it easier for the powers that be to persuade their population into war. For example, from the pretty conservative estimates on wiki, only 2% of the casualties of the Afghan war were members of the coalition armed forces. While this is not seen as a clean war, it does demonstrate that civilian casualties are not the primary concern of those who authorise, plan and conduct the war and indicates that if it could be fought purely autonomously we would have much more of them.
no , am really not impressed with myself after noticing some blog that says a second F-117 was hit over Serbia by a "big" missile . Which of course failed to bring it down ... That it must be a S-300 is proven by references ... Damn or something , this should of course lead to the Russian general killed in an airraid ...
no , am really not impressed with myself after noticing some blog that says a second F-117 was hit over Serbia by a "big" missile . Which of course failed to bring it down ... That it must be a S-300 is proven by references ... Damn or something , this should of course lead to the Russian general killed in an airraid ...
Only one F-117 was ever shot down or hit by enemy surface to air, '99 by Yugoslav forces. It was an S-125 surface to air missile. No other F-117 was ever hit by enemy fire...
Cyber is a viable method of combat however, no true war will ever be fought entirely over the internet. Boots on ground will always be a necessity. Cyber attacks I would akin more to CIA and KGB covert actions during the Cold War.
Only one F-117 was ever shot down or hit by enemy surface to air, '99 by Yugoslav forces. It was an S-125 surface to air missile. No other F-117 was ever hit by enemy fire...
Cyber is a viable method of combat however, no true war will ever be fought entirely over the internet. Boots on ground will always be a necessity. Cyber attacks I would akin more to CIA and KGB covert actions during the Cold War.
there is some blog outta there linking the podcast of the USAF F-117 pilot who says his wingman was hit by a SAM after(?) the first one was shot down and he was awarded a medal for his contribution to the safe recovery of the damaged plane . Can't get the rush , nobody is talking about releasing the HUD video , like possibly , and it will be like only a little loss of reason at laughing at the fools who question American power with non-stop reference how the Serbians tried to claim a B-2 with a ground accident that knocked one out of the USAF roster .
there is some blog outta there linking the podcast of the USAF F-117 pilot who says his wingman was hit by a SAM after(?) the first one was shot down and he was awarded a medal for his contribution to the safe recovery of the damaged plane . Can't get the rush , nobody is talking about releasing the HUD video , like possibly , and it will be like only a little loss of reason at laughing at the fools who question American power with non-stop reference how the Serbians tried to claim a B-2 with a ground accident that knocked one out of the USAF roster .
yet another consideration that assumes things about a desire to win the thread ... ı waste time by ranting , the rants sometimes result in responses . Like only because Pentagon does not want to hear about the other Polkovnik , around those parts in those days .
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ı think a Spanish magazine am unlikely to be able to trawl , because service issues . Obviously a cover about the Great Enigmas of WW ll . ı can notice the latewar Erlahaube on the 109 . So , the artist is not your average person who searches the web for pictures so that he/she can compose stuff . Now that the victim is a F4U-4 , with the double drop tanks and those orange bands on the rear fuselage . ı know them to be used by the USN Reserve because decades back ı had this vivid dream of one coming up to me to play , me feeling ı was flying a Corsair myself , too . Led me searching and discovering it on a Monogram 1/72 scale model - ı think ... Though ı am quite rusted on the the number of the cooling exit flaps on a late model R-2800 , which (as you will notice in the picture) are flying all over the place . Which is like impossible to happen because the late model Corsair went into action in 1945 and nowhere near Germany , too . Am pretty sure had ı known Spanish or whatever , ı would see the article in the magazine would passingly mention this as an oddity , some sort of a filler as more serious things were considered . Some German experte claiming the destruction of a Corsair in such colours , say maybe over Norway as the British used some in the attacks against Tirpitz ... And oddly claimed two drop tanks . Actually ı downloaded the picture two days ago and was assuming the artist had drawn a F4U-1D , the variant that started to use rockets and bombs and drop tanks , before checking it better tonight , while blackening out the website adress ...
and yes , it is still wrong ! Count the 3 holes on the wing , the sextet of .50 calibers , while it had to be 2 larger things for the quartet of 20 mm cannons . Because ı KNOW that in 1940 Americans invited some German military attache to a location where they had a fake Corsair , the next Navy fighter promising to do everything . Faster than anything , wrongly claimed to be the first fighter ever to pass 400 miles per hour , with almost the same bombload with a Ju-88 and almost the same range with the said combined with "double" the firepower of an 109E with 4 cannons . Oh , yes it was also armoured to the same standart with German planes ... You know , Ambrassador Kennedy being such a pessimist about the chances of survival of England and Germans had to be scared a bit . Goebbels , knowing his trade , simply said "Natürlich das ist a lie" . Accordingly some German ace pmping a claim of his with relevant stuff in some later period of time .
because Lindbergh also heard of the same , because he was in the intel business , showing his possibilities to be useful to Berlin and given real access to Luftwaffe , proving a windfall of information , for the price of being unpopular . So , he called about past debts and was sent to the Pasific , to teach the methods of "lean mixture" , showing American fliers to save fuel to fly longer . Where he pushed the US Marines to double the bombload on their Corsairs ... Then he would "join" the Army Airforces , to make P-38s fly longer than they used to . Still ended in a scandal . A commander wanted escorts for a bombing raid on a given day , fighter unit refused by saying they couldn't fly that far . And then flying an actually longer distance to shoot down Japanese fighters , with one of them going to Lindbergh , because being an ace is like cooler than flying escort to lumbering bombers ... See , nothing to see here .
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