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Galley graphical representation in Civ6 (again, still this little neko still finding the way out of this modding rabbit hole meow =^w^= )
Sure this is Mediterranean design. (with too many iron pieces than usual, and lack of gazing eyes painted or etched into the prowl). with rams fitted to its prowl. but in this thread ...
2. The first confirmed picture of seagoing galley (watercraft with many oars and a big sail (or maybe two) is Egyptian ones. dated back 2,300 BC. Also the first known 'Naval Battle' is Ramses III VS 'Sea People Barbarians'. also the first known instance of 'range attacking galleys'
^ Melee attacking galleys with an archer on each of crow's nest.
^ Another Egyptian galley from the same battle this one is archer galley. the first known warship with fore and aft castles. is this 'Ancient era' ranged warship as well as being melee?
3. Bronze or iron ram bow isn't invented by Ancient Era. but first shown up in the early Classical era (750 BC) around the same time Greeks fielded their Penteconters (superior galley) and Phoenicians introduced alternate solution when moners had reached its limit in (tactical) speeds-- stacking oarsmen benches and voila--Biremes. but it didn't phase out moners. AFAIK some became pirate galleys (What 'Naval Raider' should begin and not to become submarines particularly no subs can do coastal raidings nor deployed to do so (not counting Japanese midget subs of 1941)... in the other thread there's proposals to have Naval Recon class a separate unit class to BOTH naval melee and submarines. (and I began to agree with that proposals... https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/navy-in-civ7-pirates-and-torpedoes.681996/ ).
Here comes a question.....
1. What kind of galley did Fxis chose as a model for Civ6 eponymous unit? is it Lembos? Liburnia or what? (Both of which are premier recon/pirate ships, note that Liburnia is an improved design over Lembos (which sometimes shown without a sail) )
Sure it is so small. too small to be even 'bireme', let alone 'trireme'... both of which are preferred naval melee units of that era (and eventually evolved into Quadriremes and Quinqueremes and later Super Polyremes) and has iron ram bows (not sure of piercing or flipping attacks, but if it doesn't punch a donut hole on enemy ship, at the same speed it could flip the same enemy unit instead (or did it?). Are you sure that this design did not exists in Trojan War (Mycenian Fleet) but instead hellenic (or even Romans)?
2. What are the actual designs of Mycenian galleys? (including Odysseus ships) how does it looks like? does it looks much like Egyptian barges or like Argo?
This one ?? (Actually 'Raider Barge'.. Naval recon of the Late Antiquity, successor to Canoe, both of which being Naval Raider/Recon both by Tag Class and Promo Class)... this design is heavyily based on Egyptian barge.
Sure this is Mediterranean design. (with too many iron pieces than usual, and lack of gazing eyes painted or etched into the prowl). with rams fitted to its prowl. but in this thread ...
Civ VII and Ships (and the water the sail in)
I don't think it's controversial to say Civ VI's depiction of navies, water, and sea travel is... flawed. I think Civ VI's greatest flaws when it comes to seas are: Underdeveloped naval unit progression (First melee ship is in the ancient era and the next one is in Renaissance- shipbuilding...
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1. The first sail attached seagoing watercraft is 5,000 BCE (Before the standard game begins)
2. The first confirmed picture of seagoing galley (watercraft with many oars and a big sail (or maybe two) is Egyptian ones. dated back 2,300 BC. Also the first known 'Naval Battle' is Ramses III VS 'Sea People Barbarians'. also the first known instance of 'range attacking galleys'
^ Melee attacking galleys with an archer on each of crow's nest.
^ Another Egyptian galley from the same battle this one is archer galley. the first known warship with fore and aft castles. is this 'Ancient era' ranged warship as well as being melee?
3. Bronze or iron ram bow isn't invented by Ancient Era. but first shown up in the early Classical era (750 BC) around the same time Greeks fielded their Penteconters (superior galley) and Phoenicians introduced alternate solution when moners had reached its limit in (tactical) speeds-- stacking oarsmen benches and voila--Biremes. but it didn't phase out moners. AFAIK some became pirate galleys (What 'Naval Raider' should begin and not to become submarines particularly no subs can do coastal raidings nor deployed to do so (not counting Japanese midget subs of 1941)... in the other thread there's proposals to have Naval Recon class a separate unit class to BOTH naval melee and submarines. (and I began to agree with that proposals... https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/navy-in-civ7-pirates-and-torpedoes.681996/ ).
Here comes a question.....
1. What kind of galley did Fxis chose as a model for Civ6 eponymous unit? is it Lembos? Liburnia or what? (Both of which are premier recon/pirate ships, note that Liburnia is an improved design over Lembos (which sometimes shown without a sail) )
Sure it is so small. too small to be even 'bireme', let alone 'trireme'... both of which are preferred naval melee units of that era (and eventually evolved into Quadriremes and Quinqueremes and later Super Polyremes) and has iron ram bows (not sure of piercing or flipping attacks, but if it doesn't punch a donut hole on enemy ship, at the same speed it could flip the same enemy unit instead (or did it?). Are you sure that this design did not exists in Trojan War (Mycenian Fleet) but instead hellenic (or even Romans)?
2. What are the actual designs of Mycenian galleys? (including Odysseus ships) how does it looks like? does it looks much like Egyptian barges or like Argo?
This one ?? (Actually 'Raider Barge'.. Naval recon of the Late Antiquity, successor to Canoe, both of which being Naval Raider/Recon both by Tag Class and Promo Class)... this design is heavyily based on Egyptian barge.
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