[BTS] Game Seems Designed NOT to work

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Civ 4 Bts, Custom Game, Continents, Huge map, Warlord level, four AI opponents. I am playing as Frederick of Germany. The only AI I can see is Manu Musa.

No matter what I do, my economy is bad. If I develop slowly, Manu SPAMS insanely building cities and gobbles up all the territory and resources. If I race him to build around the resources, my economy PLUMMETS, literally skyrockets downhill.

Something I need explained: HOW can Manu build so many cities, and STILL outrace me in technology development? HOW can his cities expand their influence so quickly, and grow in population so quickly? HOW can he maintain his economy with so many cities? If build even HALF that number, my economy crashes and stays crashed for the rest of the game.

My populations grow at a crawl, and quickly reach the point where citizens are angry, or sick, or both. Throwing things at them to make them happy barely works, and not for long. It does not seem to matter much if I build near water or not, my cities grow slowly and stay small.

Worst of all, even though I have closed borders with him throughout the game, Manu seems to instantly know everything I am doing, everywhere, and responds instantly by building a tiny city right on my border, which quickly works like acid to push my borders back.

Resources are spread so far apart that I have to string my cities with roads to connect them. Manu quickly cuts these roads by building cities on them.

I try building spies to steal from him, but either there is no option to Steal Technology, or the selection of WHICH of his technologies I can steal is limited to something useless.

I cheat by setting the Random Barbarian Villages so that I can choose what rewards they produce. I took Settlers, so I could expand quickly, and whatever Technologies I could get. Therefore, I start out with something like eight technologies Manu does not have. Yet in a very short while, Manu is STILL outracing me in technology production. I guess he could be trading with the other three AI civs, but I doubt this. I think Manu and I are stuck on the same big continent alone. It's too large to explore.

I want those Barbarian Village resources, but dealing with the FLOOD of advanced-weapon barbarians is deeply exhausting and highly distracting. For many turns, I am paralyzed and cannot expand because Im' too busy cranking out axemen to kill the hordes of barbarians. Seriously, it's too much. Too many of them, and they're too tough to kill. Someone jumped the shark when they designed the game this way.

I'm not a machine. I get tired and frustrated and angry and exhausted dealing with the barbarians. When they finally stop flooding, it's too late. I've spent all my time and energy fighting off barbarians, and Manu has ROCKETED past me in score and technology. You say post guards to bust the fog. You say go kill the barbarian cities. This COSTS time and many soldiers. If I do that, Manu races past me.

Sometimes Manu turns out to have built the Great Wall, but even when he does not, it SEEMS as if he is totally immune to this flood of barbarians. How is that possible?

I have ZERO clue how to run a "specialist economy" and really do not want to learn. That screen is totally confusing. I click to, I guess, turn citizens into specialists, and it appears to do NOTHING to help me.

Most of my cities have to stay small. If I let them grow, they very very very quickly become sick or unhappy. Manu's cities seem to INSTANTLY turn to size five, then grow insanely fast after that.

No matter where I build a city, I get a message saying that the citizens are "rightfully" asking to join Manu. This is right at the beginning of the game, and I'm building like thirty squares away from him! How is this possible? He builds next to me, I try to surround him, and his cities NEVER NEVER NEVER convert to mine.

I race to build a religion, Hinduism, and spread it with many missionaries, and this appears to be total waste of time, money and energy. NO ONE ever converts to my religion, and they HAMMER me constantly to convert to theirs. I dont' see any benefit whatsoever to even having any religion at all.

How do I set the game to prevent any AI opponents from running a Specialist Economy?3

I don't know what they're called, but there are options to change things like your style of government. I begin with Monarchy and Slavery. It seems as if all of the steps up from these are JUNK. They do nothing to help, and if I do switch to, for example, Serfdom, I get ZERO benefits, and it seems as if the economy just gets worse!

HOW are you supposed to know when to change things like this, and WHY? It seems as if these changes only hurt you.

No matter which Civ I choose to play as, I start out the first few turns ahead of everybody in score. Then, as soon as I start building cities, my economy CRASHES, and nothing I do changes this at all, EVER.

It is as if the game DELIBERATELY PUNISHES you for expanding!! Except, the AI opponents expand insanely fast, and get rich and advance in tech?..3..

When you give a command to a city or a unit, the game instantly YANKS your point of view away on the map to another city or unit. That STINKS. HOW HOW HOW do you set the game so that the point of view STAYS in one place until you are finished with that area?

I have to play on the HUGE map. Every other smaller size makes me end up with a map where I have something like SIX enemies ramming down my throat about two squares away!

The game seems to DELIBERATELY wedge you between two enemies, who quickly team up to attack you at that same time. Even if you have more money, technolgy and soldiers, there is NO WAY to win against two enemies at one time, and the game seems to KNOW this!

You work HARD and for hours and hours and hours and hours and days and days and days in real time to get ahead and you are winning, and suddenly EVERYONE on the planet is attacking you at the same time? How is that sane or fair?
 
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Civ 4 Bts, Custom Game, Continents, Huge map, Warlord level, four AI opponents.
In a way you are correct. The game was not designed to work with four opponents on a huge map.

Your post makes it clear that you do not understand the basic mechanics of the game. I'd recommend you read a beginner's guide, for example Sisiutil's strategy guide for beginners. Try to understand how everything works, and play smaller maps with standard amount of opponents while you learn.

It is all up to you. It's a complex game and it takes some effort to master it. If you are in it with a "I have ZERO clue how to do this and really do not want to learn" -mindset, then why should anyone here try to teach you?
 
Would you mind uploading a save so I can take a look at your, uhm, "progress"?
 
The only AI I can see is Manu Musa.

Eh... his name is actually Mansa Musa. Maybe spelling his name right will win you the next game? :lol:

Now, enough trolling. With all seriousness, I can understand some of your frustration. Like the Barb thing, I still have troubles dealing with them. There's an option to turn Barb off in the Custom game mode if it makes you more comfortable learning the game.

Moderator Action: Please do not troll in the forums. leif
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

However reading your long rant, it's pretty clear that you need to learn some of the game basic, like the Whip/Slavery for instance. It will seriously improve your game play. Here's an old article on Slavery.

Would you mind uploading a save so I can take a look at your, uhm, "progress"?

Or you can upload your game here and we can help you, like Imp. Knoedel suggested.

Bottom line is you must be willing put in the hours to learn this game if you want to enjoy it. If not, simply pick something else "easier". Don't throw the towels and say the game "does not work" just because you don't understand it well enough.
 
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"In a way you are correct. The game was not designed to work with four opponents on a huge map."

If that is actually the case, then WHY was the game designed with the ability/option to play with four opponents on a huge map? Your answer makes no sense.

"Your post makes it clear that you do not understand the basic mechanics of the game. I'd recommend you read a beginner's guide, for example Sisiutil's strategy guide for beginners. Try to understand how everything works, and play smaller maps with standard amount of opponents while you learn."

Are you new to reading? Because the OP clearly states that I went to a Huge map because the game is unwinnable with smaller maps and standard number of opponents.

"It is all up to you. It's a complex game and it takes some effort to master it. If you are in it with a "I have ZERO clue how to do this and really do not want to learn" -mindset, then why should anyone here try to teach you?"

Again, you're illogical. Clearly there are OTHER ways to win besides the Specialist Strategy, which I have no interest in.
Also, why should anyone here try to teach me? Well, you clearly think that you can, so you've answered your own question.

Maybe invest some time and thought before you post an answer next time. Oh, and try a little logic and patience, too.

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Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889
 
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If that is actually the case, then WHY was the game designed with the ability/option to play with four opponents on a huge map? Your answer makes no sense.
Some people enjoy wierdo settings, which means it is better allow them from design standpoint. But since only super small fraction of players use them these setting are not balanced/designed in true sense of the word.

Going huge instead of standard does not make game easier.
 
Maybe invest some time and thought before you post an answer next time
If you had invested a bare 30min reading a couple of write-ups on these forums, you would have realized that your post makes no sense. Many people here are willing to help new players get better at this game, but insulting them certainly won't get you anywhere.
 
I went to a Huge map because the game is unwinnable with smaller maps and standard number of opponents
I went from being unable to win on Warlord to being an Emperor EQM simply by following the advice found in these Forums, in fact just learning how to leverage Slavery and the GP system should have you beating Warlord. I know it's daunting but Civ IV is a complex game - part of what makes it great - so it's well worth buckling down and learning how to play it. You definitely shouldn't be playing Huge without understanding all about Culture and City maintenance. Try a small game with Gandhi, Asoka, Mansa and De Gaulle as your opponents - that should help you get started.
 
Eh... his name is actually Mansa Musa. Maybe spelling his name right will win you the next game? :lol:

Since you clearly knew who I was talking about, what point was there in saying the name was misspelled, other than to clearly illustrate that you're a complete jerk?
 
the game is unwinnable with smaller maps and standard number of opponents.

I beg your pardon? The game is very easy to win on any difficulty level below Immortal. Immortal may be tricky sometimes if you got really bad set of circumstances and Deity may be not winnable at all, but if you struggle to win on Warlord you are clearly doing something wrong.
 
This site has been helping people get better at this game for like 15 years now. You'd be well-served to type less and read more. Throwing tantrums on the forum isn't going to make your gaming experience any better.
 
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