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Game Speed
At the start of every Civilization 4 game a speed and size must be chosen. In addition to their obvious effects, the choice profoundly affects almost every aspect of game play. This guide will explain the subtle and not so subtle effects of this choice.
On the different game speeds you will see a different number of years pass per turn. This can be ignored as it varies as the game progresses and has no impact on game play. The important factor in game speed is that all speeds eventually reach the year 2050 which is when the game ends in time victory.
In Beyond the Sword it takes the following number of turns to reach the year 2050 on Quick/Normal/Epic/Marathon speeds
Q/N/E/M: 330/500/750/1500.
Dividing the total number of turns by 5 gives as a ratio that is easier to work with lets call it the time ratio.
Time Ratio = Q/N/E/M: 67/100/150/300
For every 100 turns on normal, we have 67 on quick and 300 on Marathon.
City Growth
Since the amount of food, hammers, and commerce produced per city each turn does not change based on game speed, the amount of food required for cities to grow increase as well to balance the increase in turns.
Lets look at the amount of food it would take for a city to grow from size 40 to size 41 at the various game speeds. Food required to grow to size 41 = Q/N/E/M: 67*/100/150/300
Notice those numbers match the time ratio. This means that city growth scales with game speed. If you play 100 turns on normal, you will have about the same size cities as if you played 300 turns on Marathon.
* The value for quick growth above is not exactly 67 due to rounding issues with the growth formula but this deviation is small and can be ignored
Building Costs, Whipping, and Research
These also scale to game speed and follow a ratio of Q/N/E/M: 67/100/150/300
A building that costs 100 hammers on normal will cost 300 on marathon.
A tech that cost 1000 beakers on normal will cost 3000 on marathon and so forth.
Units Production
What about military units and workers?
These have a different ratio.
Unit ratio = Q/N/E/M: 67/100/150/240
Notice the ratio is the same except for the marathon value.
A unit that costs 100 hammers to produce on standard will cost only 240 hammers on marathon.
This effectively means that military units and workers are 20% cheaper on marathon then they are on all other game speeds. Note that settlers are the exception they scale with buildings Q/N/E/M: 67/100/150/300 so marathon does not help you found new cities faster.
Forest Chopping:
At first glance chopping also seems to scale with game speed with a total number of hammers from chopping ratio of
Q/N/E/M: 67/100/150/300
Chopping 5 forests (before mathematics) will produce 100 hammers on normal and 300 on marathon
However, to truly examine the effects of forest chopping we must look at the number of turns it takes to chop. It take a worker
Q/N/E/M: 4/4/7/10 turns to chop a forest down on each game speed (one turn lost from moving onto the forest tile plus the chop time).
To chop 25 forests it would take a worker
Q/N/E/M: 100/100/175/250 turns on the different game settings. This is a significant deviation from the time ratio. Notice the chop time is significantly higher than the time ratio on quick and epic and lower on Marathon.
What does this mean in practice? Lets look at the number of hammers produced per turn by a worker when chopping at the start of a new game. Since this is a per turn value it should be the same for all speeds if chopping scaled to game speed. Chopping one forest before mathematics gives you Q/N/E/M: 13/20/30/60 hammers
Time required to chop Q/N/E/M: 4/4/7/10
Hammer produced per turn
Q/N/E/M: 13/4, 20/4, 30/7, 60/10 = 3.25/5/4.3/6
Thus chopping in the early game produces only 3.25 hammers per turn on quick and 6 hammers per turn on Marathon. Chopping is therefore much more powerful on marathon, and relatively weak on epic and quick speeds.
The Draft:
The Draft is a very complex process so understand it we must think of it as a process for converting food to hammers.
How good is the conversion? Rifleman is the best draft deal as it is the most expensive unit that only takes one population point to draft.
The drafting Food/Hammer Conversion Ratios for a size 6 (minimum needed to draft) is
Rifleman Q/N/E/M 7.3/7.3/7.3/4.9
Drafting a Rifleman on quick, normal and epic is essentially a process that converts 1 food to 7.3 hammers. However, due to the discounted production on marathon, drafting is not as powerful on that speed in effect only giving you 4.9 hammers per food.
Lets compare that to whipping a size 6 city. Whipping such a city is
A flat food/hammer conversion ratio of 2 for all game speeds.
So should we be building a global theater draft city in every game?
Thats a difficult question to answer, but we can get a sense by looking at
how much production would be needed to match the output of a global theater draft city?
Production per turn needed to match the output of a global theater draft city
Draft Unit
Maceman Q/N/E = 46 hammers Marathon = 31 hammers
Musketman Q/N/E = 53 hammers Marathon = 36 hammers
Rifleman Q/N/E = 73 hammers Marathon = 49 hammers
Infantry Q/N/E = 45 hammers Marathon = 30 hammers
Mechanized Infantry Q/N/E = 42 hammers Marathon = 28 hammers
In addition you have to consider the upfront cost in hammers to create a global theater draft city
Which is Cost per Theater 50 X 6 + Cost Per Global Theater 300 = 600 hammers on a standard map at normal speed and the opportunity cost of using the nationalism civic which is typically inferior to both bureaucracy and free speech.
The answer to this question will vary game to game. My personal opinion is that it is typically not worth the upfront investment on marathon games as 30 hammers per turn is not that hard to achieve. However, its probably worth it on non marathon games if you plan a major offensive push in the rifleman era.
Victory Conditions:
Finally we must look at the effect of game speed on victory conditions
Slower game speeds effectively give more movement points to military units but except for marathon
do not make those units military units cheaper. This allows military units to reach enemies before they become outdated making conquest and domination victories easier to achieve on slower speeds.
Cultural victory requires 3 cities with legendary culture
The amount of culture required to reach legendary status is Q/N/E/M 25K/50K/75K/150
If this scaled to number of game turns it would be Q/N/E/M 33.3K/50K/75K/150K
Cultural victory is therefore much easier on a quick speed game.
MAP SIZE
Its not often realized, but map size has a huge influence on almost every major game mechanic.
Its most obvious effect is that it results in larger empires.
Map Size / Number of Civs / Area per Civ Ratio
Huge 128x80 / 11 / 1.5
Standard 84X52 / 7 / 1
Dual 40X24 / 2 / 0.75
The number of civilizations increase on larger map sizes, but the available space increases more. The result is that the average civilization will be about 50% larger on a huge map and 25% smaller on a dual map compared to a standard map.
However, research costs also increase based on map size.
World Size and Research Costs:
100% - Dual
110% - Tiny
120% - Small
130% - Standard
140% - Large
150% - Huge
Thus changing from a dual map to a huge one doubles average empire size while increasing research costs by 50%. The number of cities increases more than the research costs and as a result huge maps speed up overall game tech progression significantly.
Sea level changes the amount of land in the game. Low sea level result in about 25% land then normal and low sea levels about 25% less. So changing from normal to low sea levels with increase average empire size by 25%. Which will speed up overall game tech progression.
Great People and Game Speed
Great people are produced with great people points from specialist and wonders.
The cost for great people varies with game speed according to following ratio:
Q/N/E/M: 67/100/150/300.
The first great person costs Q/N/E/M: 67/100/150/300. With each subsequent great person costing an additional Q/N/E/M: 67/100/150/300. Until 10 great people have been formed at which point each subsequent great person costs Q/N/E/M: 134/200/300/600 until 20 have been formed and so on.
Notice that this ratio is the same as the time ratio above which means that
great people production scales to game speed.
The power of great people scales to game speed as well with the exception of golden ages. Golden age durations are Q/N/E/M: 6/8/10/16 turns (This progression does not follow the time ratio) If Golden ages scaled to game speed they would last for Q/N/E/M 5.5/8/11.5/21 turns This means that Golden ages are less powerful on slower game speeds.
Map size and Great people
Great people production does not scale well to larger map sizes. There are two reasons for this.
1) Great people production is most efficient if concentrated in a single city. Adding more GPP in secondary cities is low yield. Suppose we have a city producing 20 great people points a turn on a normal speed game. Assuming we start with no great people points, our first 10 Great people with come on turns.
5, 15, 30, 50, 75, 105, 140, 180, 225, 275
What happens when we increase our GPP production by 20% by having a secondary city producing 4 great people points a turn? Now our first 10 Great people will come on turns.
5, 15, 30, 50, 75, 105, 140, 180, 225, 230
Notice that the first 9 great people occur at the exact same time they would have normally.
It takes 230 turns to get any benefit from that 20% increase. Great people production in secondary cities has a delayed benefit and often does not produce any great people at all before the game is over. This inefficiency means that the average empire on a huge map while 50% larger than that on a standard map with produce nowhere near 50% more great people.
2 Bulbing is much weaker on large maps.
Using a great scientist to bulb a tech on normal speed will give the following.
Science Bonus = 1500 + (Total Empire Population)*3
The majority of the bonus comes from the base 1500 which does not scale to map size. Since research cost are higher on larger map sizes, this effectively means that bulbing is relatively weak on large maps.
Great Generals:
Great generals are built with empire wide combat experience points and at a cost of
Q/N/E/M 30/30/30/45 for the first general with each subsequent general costing 30/30/30/45 more than that last. To understand great general production and the effect of game speed and map size, think of great generals as a hammer to experience conversion. Hammers produce units which in turn hopefully get some experience before they die.
Game Speed and Great Generals:
Recall that the cost of military units scales with game speed except for marathon where unit cost are discounted by 20%. Correcting great general costs for the marathon discount gives us a corrected great general cost of
Q/N/E/M: 30/30/30/36 great generals are 20% more expensive on marathon then other game speeds
Map Size and Great Generals
Production scales with number of cities. An empire twice as large will produce about twice as many hammers. The cost of great generals, however, does not increase with map size. Therefore larger map sizes will produce more hammers and thus more great generals than smaller maps. Similarly low sea levels will result in more hammers and thus increased great general production. All else being equal an empire twice as large will create great generals at twice the rate of a smaller empire.
The Big Picture
Military Production: Discounted on marathon.
Forest Chopping: Strong on marathon and normal speeds, weaker on epic and quick speeds.
Drafting: Probably not worth it on marathon speed.
Cultural Victory: Easier on quick game speed.
Tech Progression: Faster on larger maps and low sea levels.
Great People: Stronger on smaller maps and high sea levels, slightly stronger on faster speeds.
Great General Production: Favored with bigger maps and low sea levels, penalized on marathon speed.
References:
Optimizing Global Theater Draft City (city growth formulas)
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=301733
Drafting For Fun and Profit
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=217566
Great People Points
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=142704
Cultural Victory (turn round info)
http://www.civfanatics.com/civ4/strategy/cultural_victory_notes.php
Unit Costs
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=141475&highlight=Inflation
Games Speed
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=134109
Map Generation
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=246788
At the start of every Civilization 4 game a speed and size must be chosen. In addition to their obvious effects, the choice profoundly affects almost every aspect of game play. This guide will explain the subtle and not so subtle effects of this choice.
On the different game speeds you will see a different number of years pass per turn. This can be ignored as it varies as the game progresses and has no impact on game play. The important factor in game speed is that all speeds eventually reach the year 2050 which is when the game ends in time victory.
In Beyond the Sword it takes the following number of turns to reach the year 2050 on Quick/Normal/Epic/Marathon speeds
Q/N/E/M: 330/500/750/1500.
Dividing the total number of turns by 5 gives as a ratio that is easier to work with lets call it the time ratio.
Time Ratio = Q/N/E/M: 67/100/150/300
For every 100 turns on normal, we have 67 on quick and 300 on Marathon.
City Growth
Since the amount of food, hammers, and commerce produced per city each turn does not change based on game speed, the amount of food required for cities to grow increase as well to balance the increase in turns.
Lets look at the amount of food it would take for a city to grow from size 40 to size 41 at the various game speeds. Food required to grow to size 41 = Q/N/E/M: 67*/100/150/300
Notice those numbers match the time ratio. This means that city growth scales with game speed. If you play 100 turns on normal, you will have about the same size cities as if you played 300 turns on Marathon.
* The value for quick growth above is not exactly 67 due to rounding issues with the growth formula but this deviation is small and can be ignored
Building Costs, Whipping, and Research
These also scale to game speed and follow a ratio of Q/N/E/M: 67/100/150/300
A building that costs 100 hammers on normal will cost 300 on marathon.
A tech that cost 1000 beakers on normal will cost 3000 on marathon and so forth.
Units Production
What about military units and workers?
These have a different ratio.
Unit ratio = Q/N/E/M: 67/100/150/240
Notice the ratio is the same except for the marathon value.
A unit that costs 100 hammers to produce on standard will cost only 240 hammers on marathon.
This effectively means that military units and workers are 20% cheaper on marathon then they are on all other game speeds. Note that settlers are the exception they scale with buildings Q/N/E/M: 67/100/150/300 so marathon does not help you found new cities faster.
Forest Chopping:
At first glance chopping also seems to scale with game speed with a total number of hammers from chopping ratio of
Q/N/E/M: 67/100/150/300
Chopping 5 forests (before mathematics) will produce 100 hammers on normal and 300 on marathon
However, to truly examine the effects of forest chopping we must look at the number of turns it takes to chop. It take a worker
Q/N/E/M: 4/4/7/10 turns to chop a forest down on each game speed (one turn lost from moving onto the forest tile plus the chop time).
To chop 25 forests it would take a worker
Q/N/E/M: 100/100/175/250 turns on the different game settings. This is a significant deviation from the time ratio. Notice the chop time is significantly higher than the time ratio on quick and epic and lower on Marathon.
What does this mean in practice? Lets look at the number of hammers produced per turn by a worker when chopping at the start of a new game. Since this is a per turn value it should be the same for all speeds if chopping scaled to game speed. Chopping one forest before mathematics gives you Q/N/E/M: 13/20/30/60 hammers
Time required to chop Q/N/E/M: 4/4/7/10
Hammer produced per turn
Q/N/E/M: 13/4, 20/4, 30/7, 60/10 = 3.25/5/4.3/6
Thus chopping in the early game produces only 3.25 hammers per turn on quick and 6 hammers per turn on Marathon. Chopping is therefore much more powerful on marathon, and relatively weak on epic and quick speeds.
The Draft:
The Draft is a very complex process so understand it we must think of it as a process for converting food to hammers.
How good is the conversion? Rifleman is the best draft deal as it is the most expensive unit that only takes one population point to draft.
The drafting Food/Hammer Conversion Ratios for a size 6 (minimum needed to draft) is
Rifleman Q/N/E/M 7.3/7.3/7.3/4.9
Drafting a Rifleman on quick, normal and epic is essentially a process that converts 1 food to 7.3 hammers. However, due to the discounted production on marathon, drafting is not as powerful on that speed in effect only giving you 4.9 hammers per food.
Lets compare that to whipping a size 6 city. Whipping such a city is
A flat food/hammer conversion ratio of 2 for all game speeds.
So should we be building a global theater draft city in every game?
Thats a difficult question to answer, but we can get a sense by looking at
how much production would be needed to match the output of a global theater draft city?
Production per turn needed to match the output of a global theater draft city
Draft Unit
Maceman Q/N/E = 46 hammers Marathon = 31 hammers
Musketman Q/N/E = 53 hammers Marathon = 36 hammers
Rifleman Q/N/E = 73 hammers Marathon = 49 hammers
Infantry Q/N/E = 45 hammers Marathon = 30 hammers
Mechanized Infantry Q/N/E = 42 hammers Marathon = 28 hammers
In addition you have to consider the upfront cost in hammers to create a global theater draft city
Which is Cost per Theater 50 X 6 + Cost Per Global Theater 300 = 600 hammers on a standard map at normal speed and the opportunity cost of using the nationalism civic which is typically inferior to both bureaucracy and free speech.
The answer to this question will vary game to game. My personal opinion is that it is typically not worth the upfront investment on marathon games as 30 hammers per turn is not that hard to achieve. However, its probably worth it on non marathon games if you plan a major offensive push in the rifleman era.
Victory Conditions:
Finally we must look at the effect of game speed on victory conditions
Slower game speeds effectively give more movement points to military units but except for marathon
do not make those units military units cheaper. This allows military units to reach enemies before they become outdated making conquest and domination victories easier to achieve on slower speeds.
Cultural victory requires 3 cities with legendary culture
The amount of culture required to reach legendary status is Q/N/E/M 25K/50K/75K/150
If this scaled to number of game turns it would be Q/N/E/M 33.3K/50K/75K/150K
Cultural victory is therefore much easier on a quick speed game.
MAP SIZE
Its not often realized, but map size has a huge influence on almost every major game mechanic.
Its most obvious effect is that it results in larger empires.
Map Size / Number of Civs / Area per Civ Ratio
Huge 128x80 / 11 / 1.5
Standard 84X52 / 7 / 1
Dual 40X24 / 2 / 0.75
The number of civilizations increase on larger map sizes, but the available space increases more. The result is that the average civilization will be about 50% larger on a huge map and 25% smaller on a dual map compared to a standard map.
However, research costs also increase based on map size.
World Size and Research Costs:
100% - Dual
110% - Tiny
120% - Small
130% - Standard
140% - Large
150% - Huge
Thus changing from a dual map to a huge one doubles average empire size while increasing research costs by 50%. The number of cities increases more than the research costs and as a result huge maps speed up overall game tech progression significantly.
Sea level changes the amount of land in the game. Low sea level result in about 25% land then normal and low sea levels about 25% less. So changing from normal to low sea levels with increase average empire size by 25%. Which will speed up overall game tech progression.
Great People and Game Speed
Great people are produced with great people points from specialist and wonders.
The cost for great people varies with game speed according to following ratio:
Q/N/E/M: 67/100/150/300.
The first great person costs Q/N/E/M: 67/100/150/300. With each subsequent great person costing an additional Q/N/E/M: 67/100/150/300. Until 10 great people have been formed at which point each subsequent great person costs Q/N/E/M: 134/200/300/600 until 20 have been formed and so on.
Notice that this ratio is the same as the time ratio above which means that
great people production scales to game speed.
The power of great people scales to game speed as well with the exception of golden ages. Golden age durations are Q/N/E/M: 6/8/10/16 turns (This progression does not follow the time ratio) If Golden ages scaled to game speed they would last for Q/N/E/M 5.5/8/11.5/21 turns This means that Golden ages are less powerful on slower game speeds.
Map size and Great people
Great people production does not scale well to larger map sizes. There are two reasons for this.
1) Great people production is most efficient if concentrated in a single city. Adding more GPP in secondary cities is low yield. Suppose we have a city producing 20 great people points a turn on a normal speed game. Assuming we start with no great people points, our first 10 Great people with come on turns.
5, 15, 30, 50, 75, 105, 140, 180, 225, 275
What happens when we increase our GPP production by 20% by having a secondary city producing 4 great people points a turn? Now our first 10 Great people will come on turns.
5, 15, 30, 50, 75, 105, 140, 180, 225, 230
Notice that the first 9 great people occur at the exact same time they would have normally.
It takes 230 turns to get any benefit from that 20% increase. Great people production in secondary cities has a delayed benefit and often does not produce any great people at all before the game is over. This inefficiency means that the average empire on a huge map while 50% larger than that on a standard map with produce nowhere near 50% more great people.
2 Bulbing is much weaker on large maps.
Using a great scientist to bulb a tech on normal speed will give the following.
Science Bonus = 1500 + (Total Empire Population)*3
The majority of the bonus comes from the base 1500 which does not scale to map size. Since research cost are higher on larger map sizes, this effectively means that bulbing is relatively weak on large maps.
Great Generals:
Great generals are built with empire wide combat experience points and at a cost of
Q/N/E/M 30/30/30/45 for the first general with each subsequent general costing 30/30/30/45 more than that last. To understand great general production and the effect of game speed and map size, think of great generals as a hammer to experience conversion. Hammers produce units which in turn hopefully get some experience before they die.
Game Speed and Great Generals:
Recall that the cost of military units scales with game speed except for marathon where unit cost are discounted by 20%. Correcting great general costs for the marathon discount gives us a corrected great general cost of
Q/N/E/M: 30/30/30/36 great generals are 20% more expensive on marathon then other game speeds
Map Size and Great Generals
Production scales with number of cities. An empire twice as large will produce about twice as many hammers. The cost of great generals, however, does not increase with map size. Therefore larger map sizes will produce more hammers and thus more great generals than smaller maps. Similarly low sea levels will result in more hammers and thus increased great general production. All else being equal an empire twice as large will create great generals at twice the rate of a smaller empire.
The Big Picture
Military Production: Discounted on marathon.
Forest Chopping: Strong on marathon and normal speeds, weaker on epic and quick speeds.
Drafting: Probably not worth it on marathon speed.
Cultural Victory: Easier on quick game speed.
Tech Progression: Faster on larger maps and low sea levels.
Great People: Stronger on smaller maps and high sea levels, slightly stronger on faster speeds.
Great General Production: Favored with bigger maps and low sea levels, penalized on marathon speed.
References:
Optimizing Global Theater Draft City (city growth formulas)
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=301733
Drafting For Fun and Profit
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=217566
Great People Points
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=142704
Cultural Victory (turn round info)
http://www.civfanatics.com/civ4/strategy/cultural_victory_notes.php
Unit Costs
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=141475&highlight=Inflation
Games Speed
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=134109
Map Generation
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=246788
investment with 30 something OF even with just a forge (starting a game in the Modern Era gives you one for free, but you could replace it with Police State if you'd rather). 
