Gather 'Round Ye Socialists and Justify Your Means!

Question for rmsharpe, stonesfan, newfangle, etc:

If you had the power to allocate government money to help feed a poor person, and if you didn't they would starve or steal, what would you do? There is no ambiguity - you know, without that welfare check, they will die of starvation or rob someone else.
 
True Archer that was an ignorant assumption for me to make. People on welfare do work that's why they collect welfare because they are employed. It's a Zen thing they are both employed and unemployed at the same time.
 
Originally posted by cgannon64
Question for rmsharpe, stonesfan, newfangle, etc:

If you had the power to allocate government money to help feed a poor person, and if you didn't they would starve, what would you do?
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WHO IS LETTING THEM STARVE? Once again you are basing your arguments on completely false assumptions.

My standpoint: The Government has no right to force money out of anyone.
Your Interpretation: Kill homeless people.
 
Originally posted by cgannon64
I see no reason to justify what I do with my own money. Why do I have to explain why I give my money to people? Its my money, its for their benefit, what more do you need to know?
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Of course. Sorry, didn't know that's what you meant when you said it doesn't need justification.
 
You're dodging the question. There is some extra government money. There are homeless people who've used up all their last resorts, and its down to death or crime.

This is not supposed to be 100% accurate to the real situation. I just want to see how entrenched in your position you are that you're willing to let people die, or let innocent people get robbed.
 
Originally posted by Homie
Welfare in my country is to good to pass up, myself I am planning to become unemployed, why? Lots of free time, not a care in the world, and lastly: I would get as much from the state as if I worked 5 days a week at a low-paying job, e.g. at McDonalds.
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:eek: I know that minimum wage in the US is low but I didn't know it was that low. In Canada, in Quebec at least, people who work at McDonalds (minimum wage) earn more than the one who are on welfare.
 
Originally posted by cgannon64
You're dodging the question. There is some extra government money. There are homeless people who've used up all their last resorts, and its down to death or crime.
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If the government money was obtained by theft (as it is in current society), I would hand back the money to the people from whence it came.
 
Perhaps we should do it your way, where taxes are mandatory for citizenship? Which is, what, exactly how it is done now?

OK, lets do it this way newfangle:

Paying taxes is mandatory if you want to be a citizen, so every dollar paid is now acknowledged to be fair by the people of the country. If they don't like it they can leave. There is some extra money allocated for miscellaneous use. You just got a report that there are a number of homeless people who are out of money, out of job prospects, out of everything. They either starve or commit crime.

What do you do?
 
The world of today is like the medieval feudalism. The poor has almost no rights and does the work for the rich for very little in return. Just like in the Middle Ages do we need something drastic like a plaque or a REVOLUTION to change the situation and just like in the Middle Ages will the situation become better for everyone in the long run.

We are going for a new Renaissance, a Socialistic Renaissance!
 
Originally posted by Karl Lenin
The world of today is like the medieval feudalism. The poor has almost no rights and does the work for the rich for very little in return. Just like in the Middle Ages do we need something drastic like a plaque or a REVOLUTION to change the situation and just like in the Middle Ages will the situation become better for everyone in the long run.

We are going for a new Renaissance, a Socialistic Renaissance!
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Workers have the same rights as anyone, at least in my country. And most people (unlike in the Middle Ages) are wealthy and affluent, so really it's the majority leadeth the minority in this case. And many of the poor are convinced they'll get rich (which they can and easily could) so they won't want your revolution. The days of revolution are over, tomorrow dawns a new day...of legislation...of conservative liberalism.
 
Originally posted by Karl Lenin
The world of today is like the medieval feudalism. The poor has almost no rights and does the work for the rich for very little in return. Just like in the Middle Ages do we need something drastic like a plaque or a REVOLUTION to change the situation and just like in the Middle Ages will the situation become better for everyone in the long run.

We are going for a new Renaissance, a Socialistic Renaissance!
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Being one of those poor or at least lower middle class I'd have to say what you just said makes me sick. I'd trust a "Randist" who would let me keep the money I've earned before I'd trust someone who only wants to give money to the poor out of fear that they may be one of the innocent people that gets robbed.
 
Originally posted by Karl Lenin
The world of today is like the medieval feudalism. The poor has almost no rights and does the work for the rich for very little in return. Just like in the Middle Ages do we need something drastic like a plaque or a REVOLUTION to change the situation and just like in the Middle Ages will the situation become better for everyone in the long run.

We are going for a new Renaissance, a Socialistic Renaissance!
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Socialist idealouge alert!!!!!!!

The poor have no rights, I don't know what country your living in (I am guessing its not Cuba), but in America we have a thing called The Bill Of Rights.

You'll respond to this by saying something about the Partiot Act and I would likely agree with whatever you said because I hate it to death.

But quite frankly the worst violation of American civil rights was Lincoln's atttempt to squash disstate during the Civil War. Read up on that and you'll find that altough the rights of the average American suffer during wartime, we always mange to gain that freedom back from the peoples and polticans that would keep it from us.
 
Originally posted by Benderino


Workers have the same rights as anyone, at least in my country.
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I am thinking globaly. Your country is only 4% of the world population.

Btw, have "illegal" immigrants the same rights as everyone else in your country? Are they allowed to go on strike without risking to lose their jobs?
 
How about this analogy?

You have a friend that has been self employed for 5 years and his buisness went under. Before he was self employed he worked a regular job and has paid thousands upon thousands of dollars into unemployment insurance. He goes to apply and is not eligible because he was self employed.

Then you look down the street and see the government funded feminist artist collective where they make severed penis art out of there own feces. You see that crackhead down the street who has been able to stay on welfare for a couple years now by going in and out of treatment programs and when he wasn't on welfare he was being provided for in jail. You see that welfare mom who's gaurnteed welfare for the next couple decades as long as she keeps popping out kids.

Now you see my analogy is very realistic, your analogy of the person who runs out of prospectives and starves is not. No one is going to starve in North America unless they do it to themselves.
 
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