DWilson
Where am I? What turn is it?
I think you messed up your downvote, which must be -3 pts.
[GS] Gathering Storm Leader Ability Elimination Thread
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Caprikel
Warlord
1. Alexander - To The World's End [24]
2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe [6]
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride [5] (8-3) Only +4 gold for international trade routes is minor compared to what you can get with Mali. Also an ability that benefits other civs by giving them +2 food for their trade routes to Egypt doesn't make for a good ability.
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [21]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [12]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [14]
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [6]
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [16]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [22]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [12]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [16] (15+1) This is easily a top ten ability if you actually utilize it properly. It isn't hard to get a city with lots of desert tiles with which you can get over +15 additional gold per trade route. All you need is one city with lots of flat desert tiles since this utilizes the sending city, so you just need to send all your trade routes from that one city. Also the extra trade routes from golden ages means you'll have at least a few extra trade route slots throughout the game, which with this ability become super charged gold generating trade routes. Wasting your trade routes on internal trade routes to make up for the production malus makes no sense when the whole point of the Civ is to focus on gold and faith to buy most things. You'll only need internal trade routes early game when you're gold economy isn't set up yet, and you'll still have to manually produce some units to protect yourself.
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [30]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [31]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [12]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [21]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [23]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [24]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [17]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]
@DWilson
I've fixed the score in my post here.
2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe [6]
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride [5] (8-3) Only +4 gold for international trade routes is minor compared to what you can get with Mali. Also an ability that benefits other civs by giving them +2 food for their trade routes to Egypt doesn't make for a good ability.
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [21]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [12]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [14]
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [6]
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [16]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [22]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [12]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [16] (15+1) This is easily a top ten ability if you actually utilize it properly. It isn't hard to get a city with lots of desert tiles with which you can get over +15 additional gold per trade route. All you need is one city with lots of flat desert tiles since this utilizes the sending city, so you just need to send all your trade routes from that one city. Also the extra trade routes from golden ages means you'll have at least a few extra trade route slots throughout the game, which with this ability become super charged gold generating trade routes. Wasting your trade routes on internal trade routes to make up for the production malus makes no sense when the whole point of the Civ is to focus on gold and faith to buy most things. You'll only need internal trade routes early game when you're gold economy isn't set up yet, and you'll still have to manually produce some units to protect yourself.
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [30]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [31]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [12]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [21]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [23]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [24]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [17]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]
@DWilson
I've fixed the score in my post here.
monstercat
Warlord
- Joined
- Jan 9, 2019
- Messages
- 142
1. Alexander - To The World's End [24]
2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe [6]
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride [5]
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [21]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [9] (12 - 3) Don't know what to downvote, so I'll settle for this. Move Capital is an interesting feature, but quite niche and hard to use to your advantage. Government Plaza is nice, but only ever used for 1 city.
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [14]
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [6]
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [16]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [22]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [12]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [16]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [30]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [32] (31 + 1) Builder charges shall never go amiss. Very versatile. Rushing some great early wonders when there is fierce competition is very powerful.
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [12]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [21]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [23]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [24]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [17]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]
2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe [6]
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride [5]
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [21]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [9] (12 - 3) Don't know what to downvote, so I'll settle for this. Move Capital is an interesting feature, but quite niche and hard to use to your advantage. Government Plaza is nice, but only ever used for 1 city.
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [14]
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [6]
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [16]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [22]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [12]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [16]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [30]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [32] (31 + 1) Builder charges shall never go amiss. Very versatile. Rushing some great early wonders when there is fierce competition is very powerful.
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [12]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [21]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [23]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [24]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [17]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]
Ceydezed
Warlord
1. Alexander - To The World's End [24]
2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe [6]
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride [5]
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [21]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [9]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [14]
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [6]
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [16]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [23] = 22+1. I'm not a huge fan of the combat bonus (although it's definitely a good one) but the half cost for districts is definitely handy.
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [12]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [16]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [30]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [29] = 32-1. i don't think this one should be so much of a runaway. Definitely great and fun, but: 1) one extra charge can be replaced by a governor title or a wonder. Always great to have one more for sure but eventually, if you have a great economy (gold or faith), you can purchase all the builders that you need. Useful for science, but less for other victories, and spamming great wall is not that useful. 2) The wonders building is also nice, but there are a limited # of useful wonders early game (oracle, pyramid) and these are honestly achievable even at harder difficulty without the charges. The only one i'd say really benefit from it is the Apadana, which is quite hard to get now. Overall it is definitely a good and interesting bonus but not sure it should win (like last time if i remember properly? or was it Trajan..)
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [12]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [21]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [23]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [24]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [17]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]
2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe [6]
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride [5]
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [21]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [9]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [14]
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [6]
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [16]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [23] = 22+1. I'm not a huge fan of the combat bonus (although it's definitely a good one) but the half cost for districts is definitely handy.
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [12]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [16]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [30]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [29] = 32-1. i don't think this one should be so much of a runaway. Definitely great and fun, but: 1) one extra charge can be replaced by a governor title or a wonder. Always great to have one more for sure but eventually, if you have a great economy (gold or faith), you can purchase all the builders that you need. Useful for science, but less for other victories, and spamming great wall is not that useful. 2) The wonders building is also nice, but there are a limited # of useful wonders early game (oracle, pyramid) and these are honestly achievable even at harder difficulty without the charges. The only one i'd say really benefit from it is the Apadana, which is quite hard to get now. Overall it is definitely a good and interesting bonus but not sure it should win (like last time if i remember properly? or was it Trajan..)
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [12]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [21]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [23]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [24]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [17]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]
NullNullError
Chieftain
- Joined
- Aug 21, 2019
- Messages
- 55
1. Alexander - To The World's End [24]
2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe [6] Kandake of Meroe translated means queen of Nubia. So her abilities name is literaly her job describition. Fireaxis put as much thought into her abilties name as into the ability itself. She doesn't get huge adjacencies or gets encouraged to build certain districts. She would always prefer to build on non-desert tiles with exactly one desert tile next to her city center. All that for a 10% cost reduction. I like her archers though and they really make her a top tier domination civ. I just don't see her beeing relevant in any other aspect of game.
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride [6] 5+1 Egypt was the grain chamber of Rome. So the food relating to her trading is quite fitting and nets her an upvote from me. Also the alliance improvments like shared city state bonus is really strong and the earlier you can get them up the better.
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [21]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [9]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [14]
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [6]
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [16]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [20] = 23-3 A 50% production boost does not mean it takes 50% less time to construct the districts. Instead, it means every point of production that goes towards the districts is worth 1.5 each. That cuts production time by a third and not half. For that you would need a 100% production boost. Downvoting this ability on the failed understanding of people on how +production bonuses work. I like the abilities and think this should definitly stay longer that Amanitore Queen of Nubia with her Ability Queen of Nubia and yes I do not like chai tea.
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [12]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [16]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [30]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First emperor[29]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [12]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [21]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [23]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [24]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [17]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]
2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe [6] Kandake of Meroe translated means queen of Nubia. So her abilities name is literaly her job describition. Fireaxis put as much thought into her abilties name as into the ability itself. She doesn't get huge adjacencies or gets encouraged to build certain districts. She would always prefer to build on non-desert tiles with exactly one desert tile next to her city center. All that for a 10% cost reduction. I like her archers though and they really make her a top tier domination civ. I just don't see her beeing relevant in any other aspect of game.
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride [6] 5+1 Egypt was the grain chamber of Rome. So the food relating to her trading is quite fitting and nets her an upvote from me. Also the alliance improvments like shared city state bonus is really strong and the earlier you can get them up the better.
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [21]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [9]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [14]
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [6]
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [16]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [20] = 23-3 A 50% production boost does not mean it takes 50% less time to construct the districts. Instead, it means every point of production that goes towards the districts is worth 1.5 each. That cuts production time by a third and not half. For that you would need a 100% production boost. Downvoting this ability on the failed understanding of people on how +production bonuses work. I like the abilities and think this should definitly stay longer that Amanitore Queen of Nubia with her Ability Queen of Nubia and yes I do not like chai tea.
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [12]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [16]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [30]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First emperor[29]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [12]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [21]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [23]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [24]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [17]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]
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Lord Lakely
Idea Fountain
1. Alexander - To The World's End [24]
2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe [6]
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride [6]
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [21]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [9]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [14]
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [6]
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [16]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [20]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [12]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [16]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [30]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [29]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [9] (12 - 3) Oh look some flat yields if you have a governor in your cities. Big whoop. This bonus is good because Korea have the science output to abuse the hell out of Pingala, but its scope is limited to a handful of large cities. it is precisely uninspired bonuses such as this one that make them a very boring civ to play.
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [21]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [24] (23 + 1) I'm not sure if it's been mentioned but Killer of Cyrus works with religious units, which effectively gives Scythia the best theological combat in the entire game. The religious game is so tedious for most Civs, but not for the Scythians. Free healing without wasting Guru charges smothers out rival religions pretty quickly when you assault their Holy Cities with Apostle spam. This comes in addition to the obvious Domination advantages, where they'll beat any generic Civ with equal numbers.. This LUA turns Scythia into more than just another one trick pony.
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [24]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [17]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]
2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe [6]
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride [6]
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [21]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [9]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [14]
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [6]
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [16]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [20]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [12]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [16]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [30]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [29]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [9] (12 - 3) Oh look some flat yields if you have a governor in your cities. Big whoop. This bonus is good because Korea have the science output to abuse the hell out of Pingala, but its scope is limited to a handful of large cities. it is precisely uninspired bonuses such as this one that make them a very boring civ to play.
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [21]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [24] (23 + 1) I'm not sure if it's been mentioned but Killer of Cyrus works with religious units, which effectively gives Scythia the best theological combat in the entire game. The religious game is so tedious for most Civs, but not for the Scythians. Free healing without wasting Guru charges smothers out rival religions pretty quickly when you assault their Holy Cities with Apostle spam. This comes in addition to the obvious Domination advantages, where they'll beat any generic Civ with equal numbers.. This LUA turns Scythia into more than just another one trick pony.
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [24]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [17]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]
Disgustipated
Deity
1. Alexander - To The World's End [24]
2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe [6]
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride [6]
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [21]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [9]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [14]
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [6]
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [16]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [20]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [12]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [16]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27] = 30 - 3 looks great in theory until the ai steals back suzerainship and you face 20 units of your former army; actually happened to me. Takes Amani's top promotion to really work. Good source of envoys, but Tamar's source of envoys is better.
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [29]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [9]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [22] 21 + 1 Serasker alone makes this awesome, and only one promotion in.
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [24]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [24]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [17]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]
2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe [6]
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride [6]
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [21]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [9]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [14]
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [6]
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [16]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [20]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [12]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [16]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27] = 30 - 3 looks great in theory until the ai steals back suzerainship and you face 20 units of your former army; actually happened to me. Takes Amani's top promotion to really work. Good source of envoys, but Tamar's source of envoys is better.
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [29]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [9]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [22] 21 + 1 Serasker alone makes this awesome, and only one promotion in.
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [24]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [24]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [17]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]
Leucarum
Emperor
- Joined
- Dec 21, 2018
- Messages
- 1,485
1. Alexander - To The World's End [24]
2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe [6]
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride [3] (6-3) There's a few options for trade routee still on the board. I would prefer to have the flexibility of more trade routes than this one.
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [21]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [9]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [14]
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [6]
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [16]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [21] (20+1) cheaper districts and a combat boost. Not bad.
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [12]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [16]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [29]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [9]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [22]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [24]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [24]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [17]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]
2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe [6]
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride [3] (6-3) There's a few options for trade routee still on the board. I would prefer to have the flexibility of more trade routes than this one.
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [21]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [9]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [14]
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [6]
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [16]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [21] (20+1) cheaper districts and a combat boost. Not bad.
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [12]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [16]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [29]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [9]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [22]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [24]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [24]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [17]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]
1. Alexander - To The World's End [24]
2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe [6]
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride [ELIMINATED] = 3 - 3. Restrictive trade routes that benefit other civs vs trade routes that go can anywhere and benefit you with the most gold in the game.
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [21]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [9]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [14]
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [6]
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [16]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [21]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [12]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [17] = 16 + 1 Strongest, easiest trade routes.
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [29]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [9]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [22]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [24]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [24]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [17]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]
2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe [6]
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
5. Cleopatra - Mediterranean's Bride [ELIMINATED] = 3 - 3. Restrictive trade routes that benefit other civs vs trade routes that go can anywhere and benefit you with the most gold in the game.
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [21]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [9]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [14]
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [6]
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [16]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [21]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [12]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [17] = 16 + 1 Strongest, easiest trade routes.
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [29]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [9]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [22]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [24]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [24]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [17]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]
1. Alexander - To The World's End [24]
2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe [3] (6-3) This is the worst ability left period. +3 trade routes is better, +% culture and science for promotions is better, Court of Love is better, and clearly a free military policy is better.
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [21]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [9]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [14]
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [7] (6+1) This ability being downvoted is a travesty. I'm starting to realize many Civ players don't manage their policies very well or know what amazing policies exist in the military tier. This allows you to always slot the production card for whatever unit types you are building AND keep your loyalty, amenity, or gold policy in place while you stomp your neighbor in the early game in Oligarchy. That alone is better than half the board.
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [16]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [21]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [12]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [17]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [29]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [9]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [22]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [24]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [24]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [17]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]
2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe [3] (6-3) This is the worst ability left period. +3 trade routes is better, +% culture and science for promotions is better, Court of Love is better, and clearly a free military policy is better.
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [21]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [9]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [14]
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [7] (6+1) This ability being downvoted is a travesty. I'm starting to realize many Civ players don't manage their policies very well or know what amazing policies exist in the military tier. This allows you to always slot the production card for whatever unit types you are building AND keep your loyalty, amenity, or gold policy in place while you stomp your neighbor in the early game in Oligarchy. That alone is better than half the board.
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [16]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [21]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [12]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [17]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [29]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [9]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [22]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [24]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [24]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [17]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]
Hogimus
Chieftain
- Joined
- Mar 29, 2019
- Messages
- 72
1. Alexander - To The World's End [24]
2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe [3]
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [21]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [9]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [14]
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [4] (7-3) No, an extra military slot is not "better than half the board". Knowing how to manage policies makes this useless, because whenever you're done building your army you can just swap out that card for one you actually use during war. Also, city-state attack bonus is nice if you spawn near one for easy conquest, but not very useful after that.
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [16]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [21]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [12]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [17]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [29]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [9]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [22]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [24]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [25] (24+1) A great ability for helping you get to Political Philosophy faster.
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [17]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]
2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe [3]
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [21]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [9]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [14]
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [4] (7-3) No, an extra military slot is not "better than half the board". Knowing how to manage policies makes this useless, because whenever you're done building your army you can just swap out that card for one you actually use during war. Also, city-state attack bonus is nice if you spawn near one for easy conquest, but not very useful after that.
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [16]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [21]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [12]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [17]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [29]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [9]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [22]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [24]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [25] (24+1) A great ability for helping you get to Political Philosophy faster.
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [17]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]
1. Alexander - To The World's End [24]
2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe [3]
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [21]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [9]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [14]
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [4]
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [16-3=13]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [21]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [12+1=13]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [17]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [29]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [9]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [22]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [24]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [25]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [17]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]
Gorgo: that bonus culture doesn't make that much of a difference.
Jadwiga: relics and holy site bonus are meh, but goddamn that culture bomb conversion. Polish UA makes you culture bomb from forts and encampments do you can overcome every border city with settling nearby, putting a border fort and voila, instant conversion. And you have several different ways of culture bombs, to ensure all your neighbors borders are screwed, as are their religions.
2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe [3]
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [21]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [9]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [14]
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [4]
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [16-3=13]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [21]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [12+1=13]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [17]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [29]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [9]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [22]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [24]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [25]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [17]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]
Gorgo: that bonus culture doesn't make that much of a difference.
Jadwiga: relics and holy site bonus are meh, but goddamn that culture bomb conversion. Polish UA makes you culture bomb from forts and encampments do you can overcome every border city with settling nearby, putting a border fort and voila, instant conversion. And you have several different ways of culture bombs, to ensure all your neighbors borders are screwed, as are their religions.
Equilin
King
- Joined
- May 8, 2017
- Messages
- 674
1. Alexander - To The World's End [24]
2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe [3]
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [21]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [9]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [14]
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [5] (4+1) Conscription always find my way in there if i'm not planning to war (which is when it will definitely be a boost), or amenities/loyalty, all of which are in effect all the time and you get to keep some when slotting production/pillage cards. It's better than some others remaining. CS bonuses do fall off since the walled CS update.
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [10] (13-3) - runs out of steam rather quickly and, unlike Trajan's free monuments, doesn't free up production nor help border growth
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [21]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [13]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [17]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [29]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [9]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [22]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [24]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [25]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [17]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]
2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe [3]
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [21]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [9]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [14]
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [5] (4+1) Conscription always find my way in there if i'm not planning to war (which is when it will definitely be a boost), or amenities/loyalty, all of which are in effect all the time and you get to keep some when slotting production/pillage cards. It's better than some others remaining. CS bonuses do fall off since the walled CS update.
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [10] (13-3) - runs out of steam rather quickly and, unlike Trajan's free monuments, doesn't free up production nor help border growth
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [21]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [13]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [17]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [29]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [9]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [22]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [24]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [25]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [17]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]
Bangau
Prince
1. Alexander - To The World's End [24]
2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe [ELIMINATED 3-3 =0] Was looking through all of the abilities one more time and think all that are left are good in one way or the other. Agree that this one is one of the less powerful (just did a game with her, and this wasn't that game-changing).
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [21]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [9]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [14+1 = 15] When playing for speed, most definitely not the best ability, but doing a peaceful domination every once in a while is my guilty pleasure...
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [5]
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [10]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [21]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [13]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [17]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [29]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [9]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [22]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [24]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [25]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [17]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]
2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroe [ELIMINATED 3-3 =0] Was looking through all of the abilities one more time and think all that are left are good in one way or the other. Agree that this one is one of the less powerful (just did a game with her, and this wasn't that game-changing).
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [21]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [9]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [14+1 = 15] When playing for speed, most definitely not the best ability, but doing a peaceful domination every once in a while is my guilty pleasure...
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [5]
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [10]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [21]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [13]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [17]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [29]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [9]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [22]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [24]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [25]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [17]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]
BenitoChavez
Elderly Tortoise
1. Alexander - To The World's End [24]
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [18] = 21 - 3. I think this is pretty weak as far as military abilities go. Chandra's ability outclasses this in pretty much every way.
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [9]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [16] = 15 + 1. For those saying this isn't good for achieving a cultural victory, I disagree. This adds cities to your empire. More cities means more theater districts. More theater districts means more GWAM, more great works, and thus more tourism. Not only that but taking cities away from your opponents means they generate less culture, which lowers the number of tourists you need to win. You typically won't be able to win domination victory on most maps, but if the game lasts long enough (and they usually don't. I have to actively try to NOT win a cultural victory to do this) you can always mass Indie Rock bands and flip all the capital cities on the same turn for a cheesy domination victory.
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [5]
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [10]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [21]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [13]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [17]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [29]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [9]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [22]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [24]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [25]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [17]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [18] = 21 - 3. I think this is pretty weak as far as military abilities go. Chandra's ability outclasses this in pretty much every way.
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [9]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [16] = 15 + 1. For those saying this isn't good for achieving a cultural victory, I disagree. This adds cities to your empire. More cities means more theater districts. More theater districts means more GWAM, more great works, and thus more tourism. Not only that but taking cities away from your opponents means they generate less culture, which lowers the number of tourists you need to win. You typically won't be able to win domination victory on most maps, but if the game lasts long enough (and they usually don't. I have to actively try to NOT win a cultural victory to do this) you can always mass Indie Rock bands and flip all the capital cities on the same turn for a cheesy domination victory.
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [5]
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [10]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [21]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [13]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [17]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [29]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [9]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [22]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [24]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [25]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [17]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]
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_Calyx
Warlord
- Joined
- Sep 18, 2011
- Messages
- 111
1. Alexander - To The World's End [24]
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [18]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [9]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [16]
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [6] (5+1) an extra military slot means more cards - maybe military cards are the worst type, but they are still useful. I particularly like to run logistics and the lower maintenance cards later in the game, and in the early game you get even more benefit. Doesn't deserve elimination yet.
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [10]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [21]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [10] (13-3) So you can convert cities right next to you to your religion by taking territory... and relics are better. Relics are not common, and the cities you could take territory from are probably the easiest to convert anyway (based on proximity).
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [17]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [29]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [9]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [22]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [24]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [25]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [17]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [18]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [9]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [16]
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [6] (5+1) an extra military slot means more cards - maybe military cards are the worst type, but they are still useful. I particularly like to run logistics and the lower maintenance cards later in the game, and in the early game you get even more benefit. Doesn't deserve elimination yet.
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [10]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [21]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [10] (13-3) So you can convert cities right next to you to your religion by taking territory... and relics are better. Relics are not common, and the cities you could take territory from are probably the easiest to convert anyway (based on proximity).
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [17]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [26]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [29]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [9]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [22]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [24]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [25]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [17]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]
DWilson
Where am I? What turn is it?
1. Alexander - To The World's End [24]
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [18]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [9]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [16]
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [7] 6+1 : I love all options that add cards, and you feel the impact of this from quite earl somehow someway I am offendedy on. One extra vote life is something that I am happy to give.
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [10]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [21]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [10]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [17]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [23] 26-3 : I don't think feels as powerful as it should. Unfortunately it just feels like background noise.
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [29]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [9]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [22]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [24]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [25]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [17]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [18]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [9]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [16]
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [7] 6+1 : I love all options that add cards, and you feel the impact of this from quite earl somehow someway I am offendedy on. One extra vote life is something that I am happy to give.
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [10]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [21]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [10]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [17]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [23] 26-3 : I don't think feels as powerful as it should. Unfortunately it just feels like background noise.
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [29]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [9]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [22]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [24]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [25]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [17]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]
1. Alexander - To The World's End [24]
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [18]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [9]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [16]
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [7]
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [10]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [21]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [10]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [17]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [23]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [29]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [9-3=6] - Incredibly boring.
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [22]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24+1=25] - Every game I've been cursed with the Americans as my neighbours, it was a pain. Teddy is aggressive close neighbour, builds large armies, and the +5 CS makes it a really great pain to deal with him.
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [24]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [25]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [17]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [18]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [9]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [16]
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [7]
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [10]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [21]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [10]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [17]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [23]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [29]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [9-3=6] - Incredibly boring.
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [22]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [24+1=25] - Every game I've been cursed with the Americans as my neighbours, it was a pain. Teddy is aggressive close neighbour, builds large armies, and the +5 CS makes it a really great pain to deal with him.
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [24]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [25]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [17]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]
Weraptor
King
- Joined
- Dec 17, 2017
- Messages
- 711
1. Alexander - To The World's End [24]
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [19] (18+1) On-demand +2 movement for all units feels darn good.
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [9]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [13] (16-3) This actually strays you away from achieving your victory already.
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [7]
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [10]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [21]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [10]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [17]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [23]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [29]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [6]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [22]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [25]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [24]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [25]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [17]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [19] (18+1) On-demand +2 movement for all units feels darn good.
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [9]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [13] (16-3) This actually strays you away from achieving your victory already.
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [7]
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [10]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [21]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [10]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [17]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [23]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [29]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [6]
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [22]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [25]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [24]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [25]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [17]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]
WillowBrook
Lurker
1. Alexander - To The World's End [24]
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [19]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [9]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [14] 13+1 maybe not the most efficient ability, but fun and, with patience, strong
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [7]
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [10]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [21]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [10]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [17]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [23]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [29]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [3] weakest, not to mention most boring, ability left. Please, someone take this away so I don't have to vote for it again. If you like it or think it's better than any other ability, please make your argument (even if you don't vote for it)
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [22]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [25]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [24]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [25]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [17]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]
3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron [21]
4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra [24]
6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon [19]
7. Dido - Founder of Carthage [9]
8. Eleanor of Aquitaine - Court of Love [14] 13+1 maybe not the most efficient ability, but fun and, with patience, strong
9. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire [7]
11. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde [21]
13. Gitarja - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds [23]
14. Gorgo - Thermopylae [10]
15. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North [27]
16. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind [21]
17. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union [10]
19. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization [21]
20. Kristina - Minerva of the North [29]
23. Mansa Musa - Sahel Merchants [17]
24. Matthias Corvinus - Raven King [27]
25. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani [23]
29. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory [23]
33. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor [29]
35. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith [17]
36. Seondeok - Hwarang [3] weakest, not to mention most boring, ability left. Please, someone take this away so I don't have to vote for it again. If you like it or think it's better than any other ability, please make your argument (even if you don't vote for it)
37. Suleiman - Grand Vizier [22]
40. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary [25]
41. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus [24]
42. Trajan - Trajan's Column [25]
43. Victoria - Pax Britannica [17]
44. Wilfrid Laurier - The Last Best West [15]
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