Gelion
Retired Captain
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Gay facing death in Iran being deported
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Well, yes, but it is illegal, and thus a crime, in the nation of which he is a citizen. Technically, he is a criminal. (Also, his crime, technically, is doing homosexual acts, not being homosexual.)
Small consolation, of course. Hardly makes it right.
holy king
Deity
i know that, but it is hardly an argument for saying "he's a criminal that has to be sent back"...
I realize this. I just like arguing semantics. He is a criminal in the strictest sense of the word, but shouldn't be extradited.
Pannonius
Reconquistador
It is a very good argument. He is a criminal under the laws of his country, and he should be sent back to face the charges. Imagine pedophiles from Europe asking for asylum in Iran. Would you be O.K. with that?
holy king
Deity
and i just wanted to point out what that "crime" really is for anyone reading the latest brain fart of pannonius without having read the OP article.
apples and bananas... the key word is consent, my friend...
Actually, I am not so sure. Regardless of whether pedophilia and what this guy did are morally equivalent (of course not), what we need to consider are legal factors.
Pannonius
Reconquistador
From the legal point of view, it is the same. Both pedophiles in Europe and sodomites in Iran are criminals in their countries.
BTW. I always wondered why so many pedophiliac men preferes boys. It means they are not only pedophiles, but sodomites also. Is pedophilia more prevalent among sodomites? Are paraphilias connected in general?
holy king
Deity
he has "a well founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of membership of a particular social group" and thus has to be granted asylum according to the un refugee convention.
in north korea it is illegal to speak up against the juche regime, anyone doing so would be considered a criminal. according to your argumentation this would be the "exact same thing from a legal point of view" and south korea would have to send him back.
Pannonius
Reconquistador
I speak from the legal view. But I also personaly believe that Europe has no need for an iranian sodomite. Let his government take care of him.
BTW. I have no problem sending back Koreans to their "daddy".
holy king
Deity
I speak from the legal view. But I also personaly believe that Europe has no need for an iranian sodomite. Let his government take care of him.
BTW. I have no problem sending back Koreans to their "daddy".
yeah, you speak "from the legal view". i'm sure about that.
Gelion
Retired Captain
So in your view if a North Korean is an enemy of the party for his views (a state criminal) UK should not grand him asylum and send him back?
Pannonius
Reconquistador
Why is it so hard to understand that this person is a criminal under the iranian law (and he is a citizen of Iran).yeah, you speak "from the legal view". i'm sure about that.
holy king
Deity
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No, they should grant him asylum. My view is that he is technically a criminal, not that he would deserve whatever punishment his country is to give him.
But I also honestly think that the UK should do what is best for them, not necessarily him, though the two may prove to coincide - let us hope. (Standing on principle may be good for them, after all.)
warpus
In pork I trust
He is only a criminal under an unjust criminal system, which in my opinion is an important distinction.
Pannonius
Reconquistador
You are right for the first part. Fiat justitia et ruat caelum.
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