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Gay marriage Debate: Karl Rove vs. schoolgirl

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by JollyRoger, Feb 13, 2008.

  1. Leif

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    Do say? How does a child getting a healthy home to live in contribute to the decline in our nation's morals again?

    As a fellow Kansan, I find your trying to link homosexuality with pedophilia disturbing. We're supposed to promote the image that Kansas is less bigoted, not more. There is no evidence that supports a link between pedophilia and homosexuality, and you sure have a low view of homosexuals if you think they can't restrain themselves from the young ones they're raising.
     
  2. Homie

    Homie Anti-Lefty

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    Boy have I seen this argument many-a-times. So many of these same arguments come up on CFC that I should really have a document with responses so i can just copy and paste into every discussion. But I don't, so here goes:

    If one institution is by definition an inferior institution, it doesn't not matter if the alternative institution sometimes produces bad results. I.e. if gay parenting is never a desirable way to bring up a child, then the fact that some hetereosexual parents are unfit for parenthood is irrelevant. If A = always bad and B = sometimes bad, should A be allowed because B is?

    Furthermore, it is not about being fit or unfit parents, because that is a hard decision to make, and who shall make it? I am not saying that gays are unfit to be parents, I am saying that a child needs a father + mother for a complete upbringing, if only one part is present, then something is naturally missing.

    Exactly, it is a slippery slope. Before long, churches will be forced to align with popular opinion on matters that is contrary to the doctrine of the church.
    I am of the opinion that businesses should be allowed to discriminate, as long as they are not hurting other persons of their property.

    That's right! These anti-discriminatory laws are BS and absolutely not based on the constitution. I just read the whole constitution + the bill of rights a few hours ago. It is a fine document, and if it were respected today, a lot of problems would go away.
     
  3. Homie

    Homie Anti-Lefty

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    Well, I guess you won't know until gays start adopting "en masse". Even then, if people want to think that parenting is just as natural under man-man as under man-woman, then they'll keep thinking that, no matter what evidence they are faced with. Most people make up their mind based on anecdotal evidence, and also, most people don't change their minds if they are older and have held an opinion for a long time.

    All I am saying, through no statistics or any real "facts" is that I think it is unnatural and that it couldn't possibly be the same as being raised with mom+dad. So if it couldn't be the same, and if it isn't natural, it must be worse. Also, single moms raising kids often end up with those kids becoming juvenile delinquents.
     
  4. lutzj

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    Gay marriage DOES harm society. It emotionally harms any children that the couple decides to have and denies them their right to live in a normal family. It degenerates the meaning of the word "marriage"; what's to stop people from using these arguments to justify interspecies marriages if they become widely accepted?

    EDIT: Due to natural selection, if marrying and having kids with people of the same sex worked, then gay marriage would already be established: cavemen lacked the "social ignorance" people trumpet about today, and thus would make purely objective (and over time, accurate) decisions about who to marry.
     
  5. Homie

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    If chicks weren't such dumbasses and always attracked to jerks who treat them badly, this wouldn't happen either. Nor would it happen if the man lived the way a husband should live according to the Bible; he wouldn't get drunk or beat his wife. But I see your point though.
     
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    Homie Anti-Lefty

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    What I see in the world today is that once held morals are being tossed away in the course of less than a generation. The result will be a society where people are generally less happy, and with more social problems and "losers" in the society.
     
  7. Leif

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    Can you provide any evidence that supports your claim that it it hurts the children? Thing is, I live in a dorm and one of my RAs was raised by two lesbians, and she turned out fine. I'm rather sure it's just jerks like you who would emotionally scar the children.

    Degenerates the word marriage? Ha! Again your bias against homosexuals comes out as well as an ignorance of the history of marriage. In Europe in the middle ages women used to be married off against their will for financial compensation or more power.

    The only people who bring up bestiality and interspecies marriage is people like you. You're the only one concerned with breeding and marrying pigs, not the marriage rights community.
     
  8. The Yankee

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    Okay, so let's try out this perfect family of a mother and a father. Sounds great, actually. How will you get the father to stick around? How will you get a father to actually give a rat's behind? Or the mother?

    Is having one neglectful parent better than the potential of two loving parents simply because that one is of the right gender/orientation?

    Find a way to reliably get both natural parents to care and nurture their children and we'll go with your plan.
     
  9. lutzj

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    ... and gay couples don't need those benefits because they can't have kids together and have two people who are equally capable of working. Those benefits you mentioned are intended for men to support their wives and children.
     
  10. Leif

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    Way to be a sexist. Do you expect women to be psychic and know before dating that a guy is prone to abuse? Are you arguing that it's their fault that they are hit? A little more than one in five women are the subject of abuse in some period of a relationship.

    Almost all abuse is done by men, men are the ones that are responsible to stop it.
     
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    Not right now, but at the rate this development is going, I wouldn't be surprised if we saw this be advocated in less than 10 years from now.

    Example: When I was in junior high school, which was less than 10 years ago, we were discussing gay marriage. I was against, and most were for it. I said that if we allow this we will embark on a slippery slope, and before too long people will be discussing whether gays should be allowed to adopt. All the pro-gay marriage people said "no way, that will never happen", and they were against gay adoption. Less than 10 years later, gay adoption was on the agenda, I was right in my prediction, but I was surprised that my prediction came to fruition so soon, I thought it would be towards the end of my lifetime.

    Another thing, growing up there was virtually no nudity on the regular broadcasting channels, now there are obscene shows and even game shows that center on immorality and perversion, the times have changed immensely in the last 10-20 years. What is inconceivable today is the future of tomorrow.
     
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    You noted there that one sex has a negative trait that the other lacks. You sexist bigot!
     
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    I have already addressed your type of question in post #42, in response to Kramerfan.

    The truth hurts, but it needs to be said.
    Also, that's some nice obviously made up stats you got there. 1 in 5, :lol:
     
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    I still can't see any connection between 'moral decline' and Homosexual marriage/adoption. Make your case.

    Also are you going to say that TV being more raunchy for ratings necessarily represents a more immoral culture? Does TV really dictate society? Plus what is wrong with nudity on TV? It's just our bodies, nothing more, nothing less. Perhaps we shouldn't have pornography on television, but banning all nudity is just absurd.
     
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    I have already addressed your type of question in post #42, in response to Kramerfan.

    The truth hurts, but it needs to be said.
    Also, that's some nice obviously made up stats you got there. 1 in 5, :lol:

    Yeah, I'm sure the guy is all nice and sweet and displays no jerk-like characteristics, and then BAM! They get married and he starts hitting her like there's no tomorrow. Yeah, right.
    This is how it goes down, girl talking to her friends:
    "Yeah, he's so wonderful. He's a real man, so wild, spontanteous and confident. He may be a bit rough-around-the-edges, but I can change him."
    Errr...wrong!
     
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    Abuse is an action reinforced by society. By ignoring all of my arguments I assume you agree with them.

    http://family.jrank.org/pages/1630/Spouse-Abuse.html
     
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    delete this double-post
     
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    I wasn't, it was a joke directed at Homie, didya see the wink?

    Kansans also suffer from the stereotype of being a bit on the dull side, will you help combat this stereotype in the future by reading comments in context? ;) ;) ;)
     
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    You told lutzj that nobody was talking about bestiality but him. I was showing how that might change quickly, like people's opinions on other things have changed quickly. Comprende? What don't you get about my response to that particular point?

    Yes.

    Yes.

    Blah, blah, blah. You believe it is right, I don't.

    :lol: You are the prime example of what I am talking about. You typify the people that change values rapidly with time, and still don't see that there is a slippery slope. So where do you draw the line between nudity and pornography? It doesn't matter, because the Leif of the (near) future will be asking the Homie of the future: What is wrong with pornography on TV, it is just a beautiful, natural act of humans.
     
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    There are examples of gay couples that have brought up children quite well. Your assumption that a child needs a father's and a mother's touch&influence is nothing but a conservative fantasy, an outraguous lie and plain crap :smug: .
     

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