General Politics the second: But what is politics?

[Lexicus]

First, I think you might be underestimating the lengths your parents would take to protect you, and maybe overestimating the lengths your parents would go to "teach you a lesson". I admit of course that I do not know your parents, so this is just pure speculation. However, if you were facing felony charges and you could not afford a lawyer, I suspect your parents might be willing to help you with that, if they could, because they would be willing to do what was in their power/means to do, in order to help their son. Joe Biden is probably going to be like any parent in this regard. He will do what is in his power to protect his son.

Getting me a lawyer is one thing. A pardon would be a different matter.

I don't follow how pardoning Hunter is "letting fascists take over the country" Also... I am pretty sure that if Joe Biden were to let some squeeze like that fall out of his mouth to Jill, that she would slap the taste off his lips before he could even finish the sentence.

If it tipped the election and caused Trump to win. I don't think Jill and Joe have a physically abusive relationship either.

I have to admit, that I am a little surprised at the extremely high regard you both seem to have for Joe Biden's moral character/principles.

He's a consummate politician, which means damn right he'll do what is politically expedient.

In any case, the White House has already made a statement:

Biden won't pardon his son if he's convicted, White House says

Press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre told reporters that the president would not pardon or commute Hunter Biden's sentence if he's convicted on federal gun charges.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Gori the Grey]

Pardon him as part of a batch of other people tried on dubious charges. Don't even say as much explicitly. Just announce his pardon along with a handful of other people where that is the case and let the press figure out the similarity in all of the cases.

If my fake statistic from earlier is true (now I have to track it down) zero people have been convicted on this charge without another gun charge also in the mix. If he is, it will be because he was targeted as Biden's son.

 

[Kyriakos]

Which seems sane. This isn't ancient Rome with Barabas/Jesus ^^

 

[Lexicus]

Pardon him as part of a batch of other people tried on dubious charges. Don't even say as much explicitly. Just announce his pardon along with a handful of other people where that is the case and let the press figure out the similarity in all of the cases.

If my fake statistic from earlier is true (now I have to track it down) zero people have been convicted on this charge without another gun charge also in the mix. If he is, it will be because he was targeted as Biden's son.

I just very strongly doubt he is going to make a liar of his own press secretary. He isn't Trump.

Fwiw I think Hunter Biden is being targeted as Joe's son too.

 

[Farm Boy]

Pardon him as part of a batch of other people tried on dubious charges. Don't even say as much explicitly. Just announce his pardon along with a handful of other people where that is the case and let the press figure out the similarity in all of the cases.

If my fake statistic from earlier is true (now I have to track it down) zero people have been convicted on this charge without another gun charge also in the mix. If he is, it will be because he was targeted as Biden's son.

I guarantee you it's been used as an intensifier. Adding weight against the pleas for mercy if nothing else. Years of lives.

Either the law is a problem, or we're salty that it now applies to our ****bag.

 

[Gori the Grey]

Either the law is a problem, or we're salty that it now applies to our ****bag.

Just pardon every case where charges on this were brought with no other charge.

Oh wait, there's just this one instance? How odd.

Fwiw I think Hunter Biden is being targeted as Joe's son too.

If the pardon power has any rationale, it is as a check on the judiciary. If there is a miscarriage of justice of the sort you suspect here, what better use of a pardon?

Now as to the separate question, will Biden do it now that he's explicitly announced that he will not? No. But that was dumb of him to announce.

 

[Farm Boy]

Strike the statue.

Or the problem just comes right back. But sure, strike it and then issue clemency.

 

[Gori the Grey]

Well, as we've discussed, that would be a separate rationale. The law itself is being challenged. How much evidence does one need that the prosecution is directed at Hunter just because he is Biden's son. Self-correcting problem, since Biden is Hunter's father.

 

[Lexicus]

I guarantee you it's been used as an intensifier. Adding weight against the pleas for mercy if nothing else. Years of lives.

Either the law is a problem, or we're salty that it now applies to our ****bag.

I am not salty and don't actually care about the prosecution of Hunter Biden except insofar as I think it reveals Republican hypocrisy in the matter of gun rights.

 

[Farm Boy]

Ah, "unrelated," then. Tack on familiarity, eh?

 

[Hygro]

Joe Biden is giving us his son to save our Republic.

 

[Farm Boy]

Lend me those rose colored glasses sometime, mang.

 

[danjuno]

So you don't think letting Trump, a guy who regular threatens violence against his political opponents and tried to launch a coup, back into office would serious effects on liberal democracy in the US?

 

[Farm Boy]

Purple ponies are pretty.

 

[danjuno]

Good to know you don't care about many of the people in this community being violently murdered.

 

[Birdjaguar]

You can't just make a show of the law not applying to your son, when countless sons across the US are thrown to prison.

Apart from the ridiculous nepotism of it all, I have to assume that the pardoning ability is meant for stuff that is explicitly tied to politics, not personal crime.

I do not recall you making such a fuss over Trump's pardons of convicted felons or his nepotism that enabled his kids to make millions while he was in office.

 

[Farm Boy]

Good to know you don't care about many of the people in this community being violently murdered.

Green poop has milk in it.

 

[Hygro]

Lend me those rose colored glasses sometime, mang.

You have the most partial partisan preceding him, with unprecedented criminal charges. A third of the country thinks people only act for their team and everything else is a lie for suckers. That itself is the lie. And we have Biden proving it, his son in trouble, he just keeps upholding the rule of law.

 

[Farm Boy]

I haven't expanded the term elsewhere. It exists in this thought bubble, with you all. The actual people I'm talking to.

But I'll continue believing this one as I continue seeing this one. Best case scenario is the SCOTUS solves the problem for him. But it aint quick enough, probably.

 

[Lexicus]

There is some number of people actively wanting to tear down the republic, either in hope of profiting from Trump's strongman rule or eager to carry out an ideological program that is evil and that we all have a duty to fight against.
Then there is the larger outer circle of Trump supporters, @Hygro who have to tell themselves that everyone acts cynically in their own self-interest (or their "tribal" interest, whatever), so the Democrats have to be equally as bad and so forth, because to admit otherwise would interfere too much with their meta-narratives of their own lives.

Incidentally, Mike Huckabee says that if Trump loses in 2024 it will be the last peaceful election in our history.