The 5% minimum should rule out some parties and make sure that 50% of the votes gives a safe majority. Will be interesting to see how the NPD performs in the presence of the AfD.
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German state elections in March
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The 5% minimum should rule out some parties and make sure that 50% of the votes gives a safe majority. Will be interesting to see how the NPD performs in the presence of the AfD.
Keeping them out of parliament is the only respectable thing the AfD is going to accomplish.
And I also don't doubt the grand coalition will be secure, but it's not "grand" in the sense of the old FRG (or the current federal parliament) where the opposition is marginalised in terms of seats.
And I also don't doubt the grand coalition will be secure, but it's not "grand" in the sense of the old FRG (or the current federal parliament) where the opposition is marginalised in terms of seats.
SPD stays the biggest party and lost only two seats. Their loss was limited due to the fact that NPD and Green didn't make the 5% threshold.
AfD got 21% of the vote, this is probably near the new normal for the short term future. MVP might be one of their more favourable states.
CDU ended 2% lower, which kinda made this a disgrace for them, ending third. Still, they only lost two seats, it could've been worse. Their Landtag showing has historically been worse than the Bundestag election too (anyone understand why?).
Die Linke lost, but might actually be rewarded and join the SPD in a coalition [probably not though, Grand coalition for the win].
The Greens failed the 5% hurdle, and are probably the biggest losers together with the NPD.
This election seems to interpreted as another defeat for the political centre, since that falls neatly in the current narrative. Overall, CDU and SPD lost only 4 seats though, and most of the gains of the AfD came at the cost of environmentalists, nazi's and communists, not the centre. The NPD losses might actually the best thing to come out of this election.
Next up: Berlin. Not the most friendly territory to the AfD, current polls show them at 14%. The Pirate party got a lot of seats last time, but are doing poorly in the polls. FDP around 5%, I can't find anything about the election hurdle in Berlin though. Greens might overtake CDU for the second spot. Getting a majority for a coalition might be hard.
Are you talking about MVP specifically, or all state legislatures? I have a theory but without your data I
yung.carl.jung
Hey Bird! I'm Morose & Lugubrious
There are few things that make me more upset than AfD supporters that keep mentioning how homosexuals are chastised by muslim refugees, when in fact their own party is just filled to the brim with homophobes.
> http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deuts...-im-landtag-von-sachsen-anhalt-a-1095785.html
From a discussion in parliament:
Henriette Quade (The Left): "The people ovenly living as homosexuals in Maghreb states are faced with jail time"
Andreas Gehlmann (AfD): "We should do that, too!"
After that the AfD made a statement, clarifying what he meant:
"Gehlmann only meant to say that homosexuality should be taboo, not that it should be a criminal offence!"
This just disgusts me on every level.
How anyone could make such a comment and think of it as "less offensive" is just beyond my comprehension.
> http://www.wen-waehlen.de/btw13/parteien/antworten/2143/2022/eher_nein.html
Should homosexual and heterosexual relationships be equal in their rights?
Unsurprisingly everyone in the AfD to "no" agreed.
Some specifically state that gay couples adopting kids is "just wrong".
> AfD Party Program (It has been linked earlier ITT)
Kids in schools should specifically not be taught about homosexuality, not even be aware that it exists, because it might "corrupt" them from an early age.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTmX5UI9CKA
Björn Höcke (AfD) states that "gender mainstreaming" is mental illness.
This kind of rhetoric is not new for anyone of course.
However, if you really want to feel sad, just read this interview from the "Bundesinteressengemeinschaft Homosexuelle in der AfD".
> http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deuts...fd-ist-nicht-schwulenfeindlich-a-1077446.html
The AfD party-program of BaWü refers to homosexuals as "a minority that is barely relevant in society".
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It should be clear to everyone that the AfD is using homosexuals and homophobia in muslims to further its own agenda, while they at the same time are against any improvement of homosexual rights whatsoever and have members that are openly homophobic.
> http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deuts...-im-landtag-von-sachsen-anhalt-a-1095785.html
From a discussion in parliament:
Henriette Quade (The Left): "The people ovenly living as homosexuals in Maghreb states are faced with jail time"
Andreas Gehlmann (AfD): "We should do that, too!"
After that the AfD made a statement, clarifying what he meant:
"Gehlmann only meant to say that homosexuality should be taboo, not that it should be a criminal offence!"
This just disgusts me on every level.
How anyone could make such a comment and think of it as "less offensive" is just beyond my comprehension.
> http://www.wen-waehlen.de/btw13/parteien/antworten/2143/2022/eher_nein.html
Should homosexual and heterosexual relationships be equal in their rights?
Unsurprisingly everyone in the AfD to "no" agreed.
Some specifically state that gay couples adopting kids is "just wrong".
> AfD Party Program (It has been linked earlier ITT)
Kids in schools should specifically not be taught about homosexuality, not even be aware that it exists, because it might "corrupt" them from an early age.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTmX5UI9CKA
Björn Höcke (AfD) states that "gender mainstreaming" is mental illness.
This kind of rhetoric is not new for anyone of course.
However, if you really want to feel sad, just read this interview from the "Bundesinteressengemeinschaft Homosexuelle in der AfD".
> http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deuts...fd-ist-nicht-schwulenfeindlich-a-1077446.html
The AfD party-program of BaWü refers to homosexuals as "a minority that is barely relevant in society".
.
It should be clear to everyone that the AfD is using homosexuals and homophobia in muslims to further its own agenda, while they at the same time are against any improvement of homosexual rights whatsoever and have members that are openly homophobic.
MVP specifically. Something with First and Second votes?
Same with sexism: the role of women in Islam is constantly criticised, and at the same time the party wants to roll back labor participation of women and emphasises child bearing. Same with secularism: Muslim religious views are seen as a threat to society, but this society is seen as "Christian occident". Progress that moved society away from Christian ideals is to be rolled back.
Not sure, you can split votes at both the state and federal level.
We only have 25 years to go back on, and I think both the Kohl and the Merkel eras had political figures in the federal level that were popular beyond what their party would normally attract. Due to Kohl's role during the reunion he was initially very popular in East Germany, and Merkel enjoyed high bipartisan popularity throughout most of her tenure (and she is from Mecklenburg-Vorpommern). State level politians usually don't have that high of a profile. My working hypothesis is that the state level results are how the state would shake out "normally" and the effect of certain personalities on the federal level distorts that a bit in favor of the CDU. You can check that by comparing with the Schröder years I suppose.
Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
Short answer, it serves as a way of rejecting bourgeois respectability while maintain your masculine street cred.
The fact that it's close as you can to the standard Hitler Youth haircut with a hairline making its own little retreat from Stalingrad probably helps.
At the federal level, it might make sense to let your first votes go to the likely winner of the federal election: that way your local representative will be closer to power and more likely to bring back pork to the district. Then, with your second vote, you can actually pick the party you like.
yung.carl.jung
Hey Bird! I'm Morose & Lugubrious
Not trying to be some kind of insufferable smartass here, but the standard Hitler Youth haircut looked pretty much exactly like what people today call an "undercut":
Now the origins of the skin head baldhead are actually hilarious and worth talking about.
The clothing style of fitted shirts, washed out jeans, doc martens or other working boots and, to a degree, the shaved head was actually taken from the Jamaicans, specifically a subculture called "rude boy", sometimes "rude bwoy".
One has to remember that back then in the 60s there were close to no nazi skins, that only developed later.
Even today many people equal skinheads with white supremacists, which is completely untrue. I would say that if you add up all the anarcho skins and leftist-extremist skins they might actually be more than the nazi skins, especially in Germany.
Groups like "Der Schwarze Block" are huge here and leftist violence is nothing to joke about.
I only know this because one of best friends in my youth was an anarcho skin. The most loveable guy ever. He's now a single father raising a little daughter while working as a gardener
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Isn't the shaved head -or very short hair- just for preventing people from pulling their hair because skins tend to get into fights ?
yung.carl.jung
Hey Bird! I'm Morose & Lugubrious
I reckon there are many practical reasons outside of the purely aesthetic reasons, the most important one probably being the identification of other skinheads in a crowd.
Current count (21:42)
SPD 21.6%
CDU 17.5%
Green 15.1%
Left 15.7%
Pirate 1.7%
FDP 6.7%
AfD 14.1%
SPD+Green+Left coalition?
Pirates destroyed.
FDP a surprise.
Difference between votes in East and West is striking.
Pre-election polls are looking accurate.
SPD 21.6%
CDU 17.5%
Green 15.1%
Left 15.7%
Pirate 1.7%
FDP 6.7%
AfD 14.1%
SPD+Green+Left coalition?
Pirates destroyed.
FDP a surprise.
Difference between votes in East and West is striking.
Pre-election polls are looking accurate.
I hope this election further contributes to normalising coalitions including The Left. I still don't really like them due to 75% of their personnel, but it's our best bet to break the pattern of grand coalitions that created the current political climate.
On that note, I was watching the post election talk where the CSU guy apropos of nothing simply blurted out "well the thing I am afraid of is a leftist republic". Besides that I'm baffled why this party was even invited in this context, that's at least an honest perspective into their priorities.
On that note, I was watching the post election talk where the CSU guy apropos of nothing simply blurted out "well the thing I am afraid of is a leftist republic". Besides that I'm baffled why this party was even invited in this context, that's at least an honest perspective into their priorities.
Lohrenswald
世界的 bottom ranked physicist
To be honest I feel like your grand coallitions spanning left to right sort of makes it clear that your vote doesn't matter and politicians just do what they want.
Like, not even being able to get just two alternatives
Like, not even being able to get just two alternatives
Yep, and oddly enough, it's a super popular haircut nowadays in Germany, of all places...Not trying to be some kind of insufferable smartass here, but the standard Hitler Youth haircut looked pretty much exactly like what people today call an "undercut":
In Berlin? It was slightly under 15%. They were far from their 20% ambition, thankfully, even if they're obviously a force to be reckoned with now.
GoodSarmatian
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Our grand coalitions don't span from left to right, they span from center right to right of center right.
It is messed up, but it has always been messed up and I don't think it's getting worse. If you wonder where these people come from, the simple answer is that many of them come from the CDU. The AfD is to a large extent a reactionary off-shoot from Germany's mainstream conservative party, and a lot of the barely disguised xenophobic and sexist BS they are peddling isn't all that new, it just used to be more subtle and/or more acceptable.
Now that they have their own party on the state level they are louder and more noticeable, but they don't have as much political power.
yung.carl.jung
Hey Bird! I'm Morose & Lugubrious
Exactly. Also one has to take into account that the AfD completely decimated the NPD, and I assume the REP, too. Those votes never got much spotlight because the two parties barely ever managed to gather more than 5%, but all of their votes, coupled with some of the remaining Piraten voters coupled with lots and lots of ex-CDU voters make for a pretty big percentage. It adds up.
