German UA question

[redwings1340]

Does the German UA not take effect until you settle your capital?

I'm trying to do the "Play as Germany and delete your starting settler" challenge, but so far I am 0/6 on barbarian conversions. Have I just been ridiculously unlucky, or is there something I'm missing here that makes this challenge actually impossible?

 

[redwings1340]

Oh, I missed the "inside an encampment" description. This challenge suddenly got a lot tougher, lol.

 

[DWilson]

I wish there was a way I could try this as the ottomans, but's it's kinda hard to kill that first trireme with only a warrior :/

 

[FeiLing]

deleting the settler is bad. if it is allowed to keep it just not settling a city of your own, you can use it lure out a barb from a camp which gives your warrior the chance to capture the first camp without resistance.

 

[redwings1340]

deleting the settler is bad. if it is allowed to keep it just not settling a city of your own, you can use it lure out a barb from a camp which gives your warrior the chance to capture the first camp without resistance.

I was using the settler to explore and find ruins for when I was planning to eventually take a city by force. Your strategy won't work though, because the UA is only for barbarian units inside encampments, so it won't work with undefended encampments.

 

[GoStu]

I was using the settler to explore and find ruins for when I was planning to eventually take a city by force. Your strategy won't work though, because the UA is only for barbarian units inside encampments, so it won't work with undefended encampments.

No, you can gain a unit from an empty encampment. It happens a lot when you've got Ranged units emptying the camp first.

 

[sendos]

No, you can gain a unit from an empty encampment. It happens a lot when you've got Ranged units emptying the camp first.

Yes, I can confirm this.

As for the challenge, in fairness, you should do that challenge on warlord level or something: at the easiest possible difficulty but the ruins don't give you free worker or settler. That way, the combat bonus against barbs is higher (at 50% on warlord) and you would have a better chance of completing the challenge. Then, hopefully grab a weapon upgrade and culture ruin to grab honor opener. Doing this challenge on deity, let alone with raging barbs, is simply improbable, bordering on impossible.

 

[Louis XXIV]

I need to find an excuse to get the achievements for winning on the easiest difficulties (I think I managed to Warlord already with something, unfortunately, so I'll have to take the risk of a free settler).

Do you have to turn on complete kills in order to disband your settler at the beginning?

 

[Louis XXIV]

So I just tried this. I conquered the Byzantines (Eastern Roman Empire) starting with the Battle of Adrianople to make that my capital (nice and appropriate).

After that, though, I wasn't really sure if I saw the point of continuing to victory.

 

[GoStu]

So I just tried this. I conquered the Byzantines (Eastern Roman Empire) starting with the Battle of Adrianople to make that my capital (nice and appropriate).

After that, though, I wasn't really sure if I saw the point of continuing to victory.

If I can make a request? Go all the way for a Domination victory. I'd be interested to know if it's possible to win if Berlin is never actually founded...

 

[Louis XXIV]

Well, I didn't quite follow that rule. I still had my settler (or more accurately, I got it back from a barbarian), so I settled it. So I had Berlin, but it wasn't my capital - Adrianople was (even though it had my palace, I still had to build a courthouse).

So I'm sure it would have been possible, but I didn't literally do it. Hell, if you do a duel map, you can probably win by only conquering their capital and never having a city before that point.

 

[limluigi]

No, you can gain a unit from an empty encampment. It happens a lot when you've got Ranged units emptying the camp first.

+1 confirm. But there is a catch though. If the previous defender of the encampment just went out of the encampment for a while, maybe to kill one of your units or capture settlers/workers, and then you captured the encampment, you won't be able to trigger the UA. I had this happen to me 4 times, so maybe it's just RNG at work.

 

[arand86]

It's actually pretty difficult on Warlord. You're down like 50 turns by the time you amass 3-4 ish warriors, and it's impossible to take a capital with just 3-4 warriors, so you have to settle for a small 1-2 pop city without a palace, which takes a long time to get off the ground.

 

[Louis XXIV]

You do get a palace as soon as you take the city, fwiw.

You probably want to use a slower game speed, which will help your UA be more valuable.

 

[arand86]

You do get a palace as soon as you take the city, fwiw.

You probably want to use a slower game speed, which will help your UA be more valuable.

Huh. Didn't know that.

 

[Walter R]

It's actually pretty difficult on Warlord. You're down like 50 turns by the time you amass 3-4 ish warriors, and it's impossible to take a capital with just 3-4 warriors, so you have to settle for a small 1-2 pop city without a palace, which takes a long time to get off the ground.

I remember taking Gao once playing as Germany, just with warriors/brutes - but it was pretty bloody and I'm sure I lost several before I managed it. Also it was in Vanilla I think. Anyway, I wasn't doing this challenge, I just had a lot of barbs to deal with - and the army upkeep was a killer so I didn't care that they were getting killed.

 

[Sturmgewher88mm]

Hehe I love how "play as a barbarian" is starting to spread

 

[JimBobV]

Hehe I love how "play as a barbarian" is starting to spread

It is very fun. I almost finished the challenge on warlord difficulty, marathon, but after destroying 2 of the three civs I was playing with,(I was on a duel sized map but with the extra AIs)my remaining forces were easily crushed by alexander and some of his companion cavalry. It was depressing.

 

[Louis XXIV]

I remember taking Gao once playing as Germany, just with warriors/brutes - but it was pretty bloody and I'm sure I lost several before I managed it. Also it was in Vanilla I think. Anyway, I wasn't doing this challenge, I just had a lot of barbs to deal with - and the army upkeep was a killer so I didn't care that they were getting killed.

Interestingly, you don't pay army upkeep until your first city.

 

[Walter R]

Interestingly, you don't pay army upkeep until your first city.

I didn't know that, probably because I've never gone more than 2 turns without founding. But it makes that challenge more do-able then