Ghandi and nuclear warfare

[glider1]

Hi there
In this fantastic resource kindly supplied to us for nothing:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=465076

we see that Gandhi has a very low victory and wonder competitiveness, but likes his empire to grow. The real WOW factor is that Gandhi has an extreme tendency to build nukes and use them, far higher than any other leader.

The question I have to anyone that has experienced the AI playing as Gandhi. How does that play out the game, the fact that he's not victory focused but is keen to push the nuke trigger late game.

Experiences on that?
Cheers

 

[smallfish]

Immortal Vanilla. Switched off all victories except Time and Domination.

Gandhi started off next to wonderspamming England and Songhai. By T330, all of them were gone into his Greater Indian Empire. When he was moping up the English, I gave him 4 uranium. He built 4 atomic bombs, but he never employed them.

 

[prince_caspian]

If his neighbor pissed him off mightily, as in a warmonger everyone denounces then yes, he will not hesitate to nuke first chance he gets. That is if the elephant hasn't trampled on the rat already.

 

[glider1]

Ok thanks so it appears that Ghandi although not directly motivated to pursue game victory conditions and wonders, he is obsessed with growth which is among the highest of all leaders. Growth could imply warfare and this is what gives Ghandi his dual personality. Unfortunately for everyone, this means that if Ghandi is singled out in a crowd, his only "growth" option left is to obliterate everything.

I think Ghandi has a few issues.
Cheers

 

[GlobularFoody]

I must be Ghandi reincarnate then, every game I nuke every other Civ to dust. Nothing better than loading up a few missile cruisers and annihilating multiple cities with a single nuke.

 

[Peacemongerer]

He did the same thing in vanilla. The original theory was that the devs made a typo and meant to give him a 1 or 0 in the nukes category but instead gave him like a 12. The alternate theory (which now seems to be proven by then making him nuke-heavy again) is that by making him highly likely to nuke ppl, the other more aggressive AI will be hestitant to attack his lonely 1-2 cities bc he could devastate them even if they won the war.

 

[Clammo]

I normally play peaceful games where possible, aiming for Science, Diplomacy or Culture wins, and only conduct warfare when declared on. However, after three bad nuclear experiences in previous games with him, I turn into a genocidal maniac the instant I spot Gandhi in any of my games. If I can't get to him myself I'll always try and coerce an AI player to take him out for me before he gets nukes. I'd rather have any of the traditional homicidal nutjob AI's as a neighbour than Gandhi.

 

[King_Course]

On high levels, Ghandi: Grow very large cities, builds every wonder. Nuke his neighbour into oblivion.

 

[King_Course]

I normally play peaceful games where possible, aiming for Science, Diplomacy or Culture wins, and only conduct warfare when declared on. However, after three bad nuclear experiences in previous games with him, I turn into a genocidal maniac the instant I spot Gandhi in any of my games. If I can't get to him myself I'll always try and coerce an AI player to take him out for me before he gets nukes. I'd rather have any of the traditional homicidal nutjob AI's as a neighbour than Gandhi.

Since his Capital is full of wonders, it can be a good idea to take him out yourself. So having him as a Neighbour, means rather safe borders, no city spamming from him, and a possibility to take whats probably the most desirable capital on the map. Just let him go about his business till his cap is worthwhile, don't attack him early.

 

[glider1]

Interestingly, Ghandi's competitive streak for wonders is among the lowest of all civs as is his desire to build an army. He will build them, but is not competitive about it. It appears that Ghandi needs to grow his empire but then get's lazy. He has little desire to expand by sea, and this is another issue that exposes his laziness.

He may have a strong army as a remnant of a time when he went to war for the sake of growth....

Interestingly, in early era's before this laziness has fully set in, Ghandi is among the most willing of any civ to make friends, to be loyal and to denounce violence. In this way, Ghandi's can be a comforting ally.

It would appear that Ghandi is not always worth obliterating, since he may have grown to the point of laziness, and during this time may be a good friend, until technology finally expresses his full laziness and personality disorders.

Ghandi has multiple characteristics, that express over time, space and technology.

An interesting character. The only way to help him adjust as a holistic member of the civilization community, is either to satisfy his lust for growth and be his friend during this time, or ensure that he ceases to exist before that lust, or after it.

Cheers

 

[s0nny80y]

India has nukes in real life.
^Maybe this is why?

 

[Stealth Bumbler]

India has nukes in real life.
^Maybe this is why?

Yes, this exactly. Is his tendency to use them higher than America, Russia, France, China or England? Those are the major powers that have them in the real world.

 

[Kabloosh]

I've only seen 2 civs use nukes. China and Russia and Russia was busy flinging them at her enemies as she conquers her side of the world. China used one on part of my army which didn't affect the outcome of me nuking her capital and capturing it the next turn.

 

[s0nny80y]

Yes, this exactly. Is his tendency to use them higher than America, Russia, France, China or England? Those are the major powers that have them in the real world.

India offers a mutual assured destruction with it's breakaway, neighboring state of Pakistan.