Gillard v Rudd, Round 4

The vast majority that come are not from a persecuted minority and are mostly fleeing for economic reasons. If they want to come here for economic reasons, then just immigrate here.
http://www.unhcr.org/pages/49c3646c125.html


We have a duty to care for refugees, but not for Economic migrants. If you want to see what it is like being a refugee, then go to Africa and go to a refugee camp.

That is complete idiocy. 90% of maritime arrivals are found to be refugees, and you don't have to be from an economically disadvantaged ethnic minority to qualify. The suggestion that middle class, majority ethic group, Iranians or Lankans or Afghans can't be persecuted or suffer human rights violations, is grotesque and idiotic.

For example:

Muslim and Buddhist Sri Lankans who wanted to get married and their communities threatened to kill them.

Iranian guy whose family members were tortured and houses bugged because they're related to a prominent journalist.

A filmmaker whose film showing that Christians, Muslims and Jews all have the same god got him in trouble with the Iranian government.

A Sinhalese lawyer or journalist who has been critical of the war against the LTTE and fears indefinite detention without trial, a forced confession and 20 years jail under terrorism laws.

Afghan woman who was forcibly married as a teenager to an old man and then beaten regularly.

Middle class fakery I guess. Middle class ethnic majority members can never fear being tortured or killed.
 
what the hell does "genuine refugee" even mean
 
It means *obviously* there's some dirty unworthy ones somewhere against whom all the *proper* ones must be pitted, Hunger Games style.

Terrible rhetoric to justify shameful Australian policies.
 
what the hell does "genuine refugee" even mean

It's a sporting reference. Along with the multitude of well known sports that we are awesome at, we have a few quirky ones like Aussie Rules Football, cane toad racing and kick the crap out of anyone who is here but didn't immigrate through the "normal" channels.

The largest group of potential participants are white people overstaying their visas but for no known reason they are ineligible to play and thus don't have the crap kicked out of them.

Instead, the main recipients of the kicking have two noticeable characteristics, different skin colour to the current inhabitants and arrival by boat (anyone seeing the irony here?).

So anyway, sometimes unsporting, un-Australian lefties (Arwon, Tailless and the like) get vocal and point out how this sport sucks ass. This results in the players getting defensive by pointing out that only "illegal immigrants" get kicked (a point rendered ridiculous by the aforementioned visa overstayers remaining kick-free).

In order to point out how dumb this is, the un-Australian lefties are forced to repeat lame terms like "genuine refugee" in their unsporting efforts to prevent brown people from being repeatedly kicked.
 
http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/rudd-toughens-boat-stand-20130701-2p7mh.html
The federal government is exploring ways to send home asylum seekers deemed ''economic migrants'' as Prime Minister Kevin Rudd toughens approval processes in an attempt to harden Labor's credentials on boat arrivals.

As Mr Rudd announced his new cabinet, including Tony Burke as a new broom in the politically sensitive Immigration portfolio, the government was believed to be moving quickly on cutting the number of boat arrivals.

Fairfax Media understands that Australia is speaking to Iran and the UNHCR about how failed asylum seekers can be returned to that country.

At present, the Iranian government refuses to take them back, although hopes have been raised by the recent election of a more moderate regime after the rule of the hardline Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Foreign Minister Bob Carr told the ABC on Monday: ''The fact is, these people are middle-class Iranians. They're leaving their country because of the economic pressures - much of it produced, I guess, by the sanctions that apply to Iran because of the nuclear ambitions of its Supreme Leader and its Guardianship Council.''

Of the 12,936 people who arrived by boat in the past six months, 4271 - nearly one-third - claim to have come from Iran, according to the latest Immigration Department figures. Among the others, 1765 said they were Afghan, 1706 Sri Lankan, 853 Pakistani and 644 Iraqi.

Mr Rudd plans to travel to Jakarta this week to meet Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono. Asylum seekers are expected to be among the top issues discussed at the talks.

The changes under Mr Rudd also include having Australian diplomatic missions gather detailed, up-to-the-minute information on conditions for potentially persecuted groups.

This is aimed at tackling concerns within government that the Refugee Review Tribunal is waving through applications from people

of particular ethnic and religious groups even though they come from regions where those groups are not persecuted.

Confidential government briefings are understood to cite numerous examples of economic migrants such as Sri Lankans who have been living in India for years before seeking asylum in Australia - although this doesn't rule them out as refugees.

The new cabinet was also expected to consider tightening the actual process for assessing people's' claims, called the refugee status determination system.

Senator Carr warned on Friday that Australia needed to be ''more hard-edged'' about how it assessed asylum claims and added that the government's changes meant the tribunal and courts would have less discretion.

Since he toppled Julia Gillard to reclaim the Labor leadership last week, Mr Rudd has come out swinging on the asylum-seeker issue, which along with the carbon tax is the Coalition's main point of attack against the government.

On Friday he accused Opposition Leader Tony Abbott of risking conflict with Indonesia over the Coalition's vow to turn back asylum-seeker boats - sparking outrage from the opposition.

The changes flagged by the government have been condemned by refugee advocates.

David Manne, the lawyer who sank the government's Malaysia ''solution'' in the High Court, said the government would ''run the real risk of violating our fundamental obligations'' under the Refugee Convention. ''This suggestion all of a sudden that they're overly generous is a bolt from the blue,'' he said.

''It's contrary to the evidence and it's very serious for the government to be making these unsourced, unsubstantiated assertions about it's own, independent, statutory tribunal.''

He criticised Senator Carr's claim that people of ethnic and religious majorities couldn't generally claim to be persecuted.

Iraqis fleeing Saddam Hussein were mostly Shiites - the majority religious group in that country.

A spokesman for the UNHCR said the organisation welcomed a review of the refugee status determination system if it ensured ''the quality of decision making and adequacy of procedural safeguards''.

''The integrity of the international protection system requires that protection be provided for those who are found to be refugees or otherwise in need of international protection, and ensuring that those who are not can return home in safety and dignity,'' he said.
Those Sri Lankans are surely being oppressed. :rolleyes:
 
I'm a little confused as to why classical_hero disagrees with Labor policy on this issue? This is something that both major parties are pretty horrendous with.

Also, 'stop the boats' is not a policy. It's a slogan. No-one's actually said just how boats are supposedly going to be stopped, except by some very vague 'agreement with Indonesia', which appears to be largely made up. I received in the mail the other day a 16 page 'policy' pamphlet from the Liberals, but as far as I could tell, it didn't actually contain any policy. It was all motherhood statements. "We will strengthen the economy", "we will create jobs", "we will improve healthcare", etc. I'd be dreading a debate if I were Abbott, because this lack of policy is really something that Rudd could hammer him on.
 
If Rudd is seeking to send home asylum seekers who are not deemed to be "genuine refugees," shouldn't you be pleased by that, c_h?

Abbot will be roundly trounced should he agree to a debate. Gillard was an absolute idiot for not calling him on his lack of policies better herself. Just one time I'd love to hear Abbot make his bullcrap statement about "Stopping the boats" and have someone in the crowd scream out "how?"

There are only two ways to stop refugees coming to Australia; by improving the situation in their own country to the point that they don't want or need to leave, which is almost entirely beyond the Australian PM's capabilities, or by making Australia so bad that even Afghans don't want to come here. If Abbot is claiming to be capable of doing the latter, I believe him.
 
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