Till
Adventurer
Exactly. The team hasn't won in over four seasons; no wonder they have trouble fielding a full strength squad. They should be moved to a league in which they can actually compete.
Girls Basketball Team Wins Game 100-0, Coach Fired
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Exactly. The team hasn't won in over four seasons; no wonder they have trouble fielding a full strength squad. They should be moved to a league in which they can actually compete.
Abaddon
Deity
But its blatantly taking the piss when the score is that high.
I think what I would have done would be to play my bench from the very start. High schools do some basic level of scouting opponents, right? The coach would have known going into it that this opponent didn't have a chance in hell. Explain to my team that, giving that there's no issue of winning or losing here, that we're treating it as a scrimmage - and the first player that plays head games with the other team gets suspended for the next game.
100-0, and scoffing at an apology? Yeah, I'd fire him - he's not teaching his players about sportsmanship.
BirraImperial
Pura Vida!
I don't agree with the school apologizing... for what? for being the better side? Sure, they were playing against a clearly inferior opponent, but it's not their fault that the idiots running the league haven't noticed that this other school clearly doesn't belong in that division.
Till, they have trouble fielding a full strength squad because they have only twenty eligible students.
A very interesting article, and for those of you that can't be arsed to read it, a quick excerpt:
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And for those of you that appreciate karma (from the same article):
Oruc
Reactionary
If this team is so crap why haven't they been relegated? They shouldn't have to apologise because they won
exactly...this isn't a pro league...IMHO a coach shouldn't just teach these kids how to play basketball. Stuff like sportsmanship is at least as important, IMHO.
I don't think it works like that in the US, if their pro teams are anything to go by.
I'm going to have to agree with that one.
If you arrange a match and turn up with too few players, it's your own fault if you get beaten.
If your team suffers from relevant learning disabilities (and I'm not sure that ADD really counts, since American sports seem designed for it) and you're short of numbers, the sportsmanlike thing to do is cancel or concede.
If you don't, then the other team will walk over you. They can do it with grace, aplomb, courtesy and still walk over you: honour is not solely about the better side not being better after all. It's about the worse side admitting that their opponents outclass them too.
If we're criticising honour, why did this Dallas team expect to have a decent game? If it's part of the league, they should play as such. If it's a charity match against disabled children, then it should be arranged as such.
When I played rugby at school we frequently got beaten by two schools that weremuch larger and whose boarders played rubgy every day. When we lost 110 (or so) to 5 no-one thought it dishonourable. It's their job to score, and they did it well. That's honourable.
What sort of twisted mind do you have to have to criticise a team who turned up to play a challenging match for playing their match but not criticise the team who misled them? Is it really honourable to give up half-way through with a patronising smile and say 'you're not worth the effort'?
If your team suffers from relevant learning disabilities (and I'm not sure that ADD really counts, since American sports seem designed for it) and you're short of numbers, the sportsmanlike thing to do is cancel or concede.
If you don't, then the other team will walk over you. They can do it with grace, aplomb, courtesy and still walk over you: honour is not solely about the better side not being better after all. It's about the worse side admitting that their opponents outclass them too.
If we're criticising honour, why did this Dallas team expect to have a decent game? If it's part of the league, they should play as such. If it's a charity match against disabled children, then it should be arranged as such.
When I played rugby at school we frequently got beaten by two schools that weremuch larger and whose boarders played rubgy every day. When we lost 110 (or so) to 5 no-one thought it dishonourable. It's their job to score, and they did it well. That's honourable.
What sort of twisted mind do you have to have to criticise a team who turned up to play a challenging match for playing their match but not criticise the team who misled them? Is it really honourable to give up half-way through with a patronising smile and say 'you're not worth the effort'?
Enkidu Warrior
Ultramagnetic
The offending team were no doubt thrust into an awkward situation that they should never have had to deal with. It was their coaches job to help them work their way through it, and he clearly failed miserably. You can't expect kids to navigate minefields like this, but this kind of thing is exactly what an educator should be helping them to deal with. The coach stuck to what he knew, and he made the kids look like heartless monsters.
I have a rather minor role in one of my school's sports teams, and I would never allow this to happen to my kids. If I did I wouldn't be doing my job.
I have a rather minor role in one of my school's sports teams, and I would never allow this to happen to my kids. If I did I wouldn't be doing my job.
There is no mercy rule in this league, so let's throw that out of the equation.
Now, the coach had his team firing 3 pointers and looking for baskets. His assistants were pumping their fists and going wild as the team put more and more points on the board. It's not like the score was in doubt; it was 58-0 at halftime. The school that put on 100 points did the right thing by apologizing publicly. It set its own rules that the coach, who represented the school to the world, would have to apologize as well; he failed to do so and was thus fired. That is why I agree with this decision. If you are not going to live by the rules of the school you are coaching at, you should find a new job.
Now, the coach had his team firing 3 pointers and looking for baskets. His assistants were pumping their fists and going wild as the team put more and more points on the board. It's not like the score was in doubt; it was 58-0 at halftime. The school that put on 100 points did the right thing by apologizing publicly. It set its own rules that the coach, who represented the school to the world, would have to apologize as well; he failed to do so and was thus fired. That is why I agree with this decision. If you are not going to live by the rules of the school you are coaching at, you should find a new job.
Enkidu Warrior
Ultramagnetic
This isn't the olympics. If my team was digging themselves a PR grave there sure as hell would be a mercy rule whether it was in the rulebooks or not.
Till
Adventurer
But that makes it even more puzzling that they have to play in the same league as "regular" high school teams. They are doubly handicapped and clearly out of their depth in the league, as their record shows. Unless there is no suitable division available for them to play in, it's quite cruel to pit them against teams which hold every advantage over them. That the constant defeats haven't demoralized the girls yet, speaks for their coach.That aside, the coach of the other team clearly was a dick and deserved to be sacked.
gangleri2001
Garbage day!!!
Totally agree. The mental condition of the players that lose should be irrelevant too. The game is the game.
That aside, the coach of the other team clearly was a dick and deserved to be sacked.
I gather (from the articles) that there is no suitable division - it's not like they're playing collegiate Div 1A basketball when there's a Division 1AAA available, it's either play in that local league, or play intramural (and with only eight players, they can't really even field two intramural teams, and playing against the boys team brings us back to our starting point). But that's a guess on my part.
But in that vein, also from that second article:
Bigfoot3814
Deity
HAH!
There's the silver lining.
Okay, there is some misinformation in this thread. Lemme try to clear some of it up.
. They're both very very small private schools in Dallas, so the number of schools they can play against is rather limited (without having to take on a huge expensive to travel far outside of Dallas). Thats why you have this talent mismatch...a competitive basketball program against a school of developmentally challenged kids. It happens for smaller private schools all over the country...I've covered basketball games like this.
In high school basketball, the typical sportsmanship rule is "don't full court press when you're up by 20". There is nothing wrong with continuing to run your offense, or playing hard when you have a big lead...but what you're SUPPOSED to do is put in your subs, switch to a half-court set, and use up a lot of the shot clock before you shoot. These guys were still pressing and jacking up threes until the end of the game. Thats low. It would be like a football team going for a fake punt when you're up by 60.
The administrator of the school that won 100-0 publicly apologized. It is a Christian school after all. The douche-hat of a coach then publicly DISAGREED with the administration policy, saying that they did nothing wrong. THATS why he was fired, and honestly, he should be for that.
. They're both very very small private schools in Dallas, so the number of schools they can play against is rather limited (without having to take on a huge expensive to travel far outside of Dallas). Thats why you have this talent mismatch...a competitive basketball program against a school of developmentally challenged kids. It happens for smaller private schools all over the country...I've covered basketball games like this.
In high school basketball, the typical sportsmanship rule is "don't full court press when you're up by 20". There is nothing wrong with continuing to run your offense, or playing hard when you have a big lead...but what you're SUPPOSED to do is put in your subs, switch to a half-court set, and use up a lot of the shot clock before you shoot. These guys were still pressing and jacking up threes until the end of the game. Thats low. It would be like a football team going for a fake punt when you're up by 60.
The administrator of the school that won 100-0 publicly apologized. It is a Christian school after all. The douche-hat of a coach then publicly DISAGREED with the administration policy, saying that they did nothing wrong. THATS why he was fired, and honestly, he should be for that.
for the basketball ignorant: what's a full court press?
Typically, a team brings the ball up the half court before the other team begins to apply defensive pressure. A full court press is when the defending team sends 1-3 players to defend the pass as soon as its imbounded. When you have an athletic advantage, or need to score a lot of points in a hurry, you can force turnovers after a few seconds, and get easy layups.
Athletic teams can break the press with long passes, but if you do it do a team thats really overmatched, it can get ugly in a hurry. When you're winning by more than 20, its super unsportsmanlike.
