Global Warming Ridiculous

[TommyTankRush]

Now I'm as gently tolerant as the next man when it comes to daft new-agey nonsense. I smile indulgently at those hippies who cry about drowning polar bears or lament the demise of the much-loved giant earwig (or similar).

But there's a time and a place.

What I don't like is to be cheerfully playing a game in which I have carefully nurdled and crafted a city into a thriving metropolis - only to see it reduced by some unseen and (frankly) unproven and unwitnessed process into a squalid dustbowl of arid desert.

Please do away with 'global warming' events, Civ people. I don't want to have to root around in files and folders to fix the problem by disabling arcane sub-programmes, I just want to enjoy the game!

 

[Murky]

Actually, the game is pretty lax when it comes to showing the effects of global warming. It doesn't show the oceans rising, islands disappearing or populations dying due to unrelenting heat-waves and water shortages.

 

[Gaius Octavius]

Fortunately, you don't have to root about in subfolders and disable arcane subroutines. Just look in GlobalDefines.XML (open it in Notepad if you wish) and search for the following:


<DefineName>GLOBAL_WARMING_PROB</DefineName>
<iDefineIntVal>20</iDefineIntVal>


Simply change 20 to 0, and GW will bother you no more.

 

[bonafide11]

On a completely unrelated note, Murky: I have to challenge your definition of fascism. I don't think it necessarily has to do with large corporations. Of course, more often than not I think it does involve large corporations, but I wouldn't include it in the definition of fascism because some fascist movements/regimes haven't been industrialized enough to fall back on the large corporations. I prefer the definition according to scholar of 'Fascist studies' Roger Griffin, who defines 'generic fascism' as a "singularly protean genus of modern politics inspired by the conviction that a process of national rebirth (palingenesis) has become essential to bring to an end a protracted period of social and cultural decadence, and expressing itself ideologically in a revolutionary form of integral nationalism (ultranationalism)."

 

[gramcrkr103]

by some unseen and (frankly) unproven and unwitnessed process

Wow, I didnt know know there were some people like that out there. Odd, since you can still read a book or the paper even if you live under a rock.

 

[spaztek]

Wow, I didnt know know there were some people like that out there. Odd, since you can still read a book or the paper even if you live under a rock.

What, people who can think for themselves, and don't blindly believe everything they are told ?

I agree 100% with this. GW should be gotten rid of, or reduced greatly.

 

[Murky]

On a completely unrelated note, Murky: I have to challenge your definition of fascism. I don't think it necessarily has to do with large corporations. Of course, more often than not I think it does involve large corporations, but I wouldn't include it in the definition of fascism because some fascist movements/regimes haven't been industrialized enough to fall back on the large corporations. I prefer the definition according to scholar of 'Fascist studies' Roger Griffin, who defines 'generic fascism' as a "singularly protean genus of modern politics inspired by the conviction that a process of national rebirth (palingenesis) has become essential to bring to an end a protracted period of social and cultural decadence, and expressing itself ideologically in a revolutionary form of integral nationalism (ultranationalism)."

My definition applies to modern ideology. It's essentially a warning that if society leans too far to the right, lets corporations take over and pursues an aggressive nationalistic military policy, it may well fall into the trap of fascism that leads to it's ultimate downfall. That's a topic for another thread though.

 

[gramcrkr103]

I hardly think that listening to every scientst (at least the ones that arent on some corparate payroll) IN THE WORLD agree that drastic climate changes have happened coincedentally since the industrial revolution and more species have become or becoming extinct in the last hundred years than there have been since the start of the last ice age isnt thinking for myself

 

[digitCruncher]

My problem is NOT that global warming does/doesn't exist, but because global warming SHOULDN'T exist in Civ IV. Nuclear winter, yes. Global warming... no. Im currently trying to mod in a tiny change that will change the tile for global warming to tundra, not desert.

You may want to join me, as it is unanimous (more-so than global warming) that nuclear winter exists (or rather, would if we have a full scale nuclear war...)

 

[spaztek]

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[KMadCandy]

i'm playing a future start game. the manhattan project isn't built yet, but ramsses is working on it. he has no uranium, so building it is a terrible idea for him. hatty did the same thing in my last game maybe it's an egyptian thing?

anyway, willem declared war on me. so far i've taken 3 cities. all 3 have nuke plants in them. i have never built one myself, fallout messes up my pretty cities. why oh why can we not get rid of buildings in civ4? let me take as many turns to deconstruct it as it would take to build it, i don't care, just give me some option.

so yeah, for this game, i set GW prob to 0. i exited, altered the .xml, and started back up again, but he made me do it. i'd rather do that than go into WB and see everything going thru the cities taking 'em out.

 

[Dark Sheer]

Well, I had also edited out global warming in my BtS. I guess enough is enough, in CIII I had some fun making GW turn tiles into grassland In CIV the AI is bloody trigger happy with nuke if you ask me I once had a game where Zara Yakoob launch 1-2 nuke every other turn to attack some barbarian cities Rest assured I quickly finish up my spaceship and goes to Alpha Century before the earth become a big desert.

 

[JKWSN]

Why does the ingame GW just get rid of my grasslands, plains and other productive tiles while my tundra and ice just sit there happily? Polar cities need love too

 

[dragodon64]

Global Warming is a theory proven to all non-conservatives (much like evolution, which every modernised country but America teaches).

 

[Stylesrj]

The issue of Global Warming is not whether it exists or not. It exists. It's happening right now.

The real issue is actually, if we're the cause of it or not. You can't deny the rising temperatures and climate change. However, you can debate the issue of who's causing it (nature or industry)

So please, don't give out this nonsense that Global Warming does not exist, it damned well exists. The causes of it are up for debate. (But I won't be debating that)

 

[Dark Sheer]

Did anyone says Global Warming does not exist?

I thought the question by the OP was the GW event is ridiculous in CIV (or CIII or CII or CI for that matter ) The only problem with CIV is everything is simplified and that includes GW. In CIII each terrain tile has a tile type to change to on global warming (eg. Grassland --> Plain, Plain --> Desert etc.) And in CIV its being simplified into one single type, desert! So basically once the RNG pick the tile it becomes desert. Well, at least the town was not destroyed, and somehow those pigs continue to survive in the desert

 

[CyberChrist]

Seems to me that GW events should at least be turning Tundra into Grassland and possible Ice into Tundra or Coast as well - and it should melt Ice features also (opening up previously blocked naval passages).

GW might very well be disastrous to already dry areas, but could prove to give a few benefits to the colder regions.

 

[gettingfat]

The problem of global warming in Civ4 is that this feature basically doesn't add anything to the game. Players can't do much about it, and it doesn't do much to the players. It is only one of the consequences of overusing nukes, but who care about a few tiles turning desert if you're cranking out nukes? You're close to a dominant victory anyway.

 

[KMadCandy]

It is only one of the consequences of overusing nukes, but who care about a few tiles turning desert if you're cranking out nukes? You're close to a dominant victory anyway.

a nuke plant melt down is the other trigger for global warming to start. the AI loves to build nuke plants when it doesn't have coal. so you can start getting fallout before anybody even starts making the manhattan project. which can make the map very ugly, and domination can be pretty far away at that point still.

it can strike before any nuclear weapons have ever been made. ewwwwwwwww.

 

[Strato]

Don't want to go into the debate on whether or not global warming exists, thats just messy and frankly I reckon would get greater audience on the OT forum.

Now, rain still has to go somewhere. While in effect the idea of global warming is that the earth gets hotter, more heat means more water evaporation. Yet, given the way the world is, various other factors (air pressure esp) will influence rainfall. So, would it be fair to say that global warming will cause increased rainfall in certain locations, heavier monsoons. After all, one can not just have all this water in the sky without going somewhere... well, maybe over the ocean perhaps. So that said, global warming is too simplified for the game. The tropics at least could experience random events instead that cause flash flooding, fertile lands develop to swamp.

This is all hypothesis, not necessarily factually correct. Again, if someone wants to pull apart what I've said for real life global warming, please, in the off topic area