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Gods and kings community verdict

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by Bisqit, Jun 30, 2012.

  1. Bisqit

    Bisqit Warlord

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    it doesnt contradict itself, they are two separate opinions about two separate things. Yes i love that the religious aspect is in your face. I however like that corporations and espionage can be run in the background. Sure you have to invest in it somewhat but for the most part you can get by with just the passive bonuses. They also did strip things out then re add them back in with the expansion. Religion was in vanilla civ 4 that was initially taken out. Espionage came in the last expansion that was removed. You mark my words, they will more than likely make another expansion and add in some features that were in previous games. Why would u take out good features. Im simply saying that civilization 5 should have and could have improved the formula rather than change the game so dramatixally. I dont get what your arguing with me for. I do like civ5 as if ive stated many times but it is not as good as previous versions of the game which, to a hardcore fan, is sad to see such a drift from the tried and true formula.
     
  2. Billy Rubin

    Billy Rubin breakdown product of HB

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    Let's not forget the biased nature of forums - most people posting here are long-time civ IV players and may regard it as the epitome of all civs, as everyone who didn't like it due to it bringing close to no innovation over previous civs along with reduced mod-friendliness (i.e. people like me) were completely alienated by civ IV.

    Granted, I never played BTS because civ IV was so shockingly lacking any gameplay inovation over civ III at release and was so graphically unpleasant (Always felt the urge to zoom out further without the viewing angle changing and absolutely loathed the Wii-like play-school style, big-headed slender-shouldered figures the entire game had), I never touched it again after the disappointment vanilla was.

    Is Civ V perfect? Certainly not - the AI is just as terrible as it was in all predecessors, but it got rid off some of the worst game mechanics the series had for ages (SoDs etc...).

    I doubt if they can bring Civ V back to ther level CIV I-III were at their respective times and my best guess is it will take Civ VI to accomplish that, but I could never seriously go back - maybe some civ I-III for nostalgia, but other than that - no.
     
  3. EMT

    EMT Hated by the Spaniards(?)

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    To be fair, I'm a monarch player and I ignore espionage in every single one of my games. Rarely do I bother at all, even when I get a Great Spy or two.
     
  4. PhilBowles

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    Oh indeed, I completely agree. I also appreciate that this is the big selling point Civ IV has for many people; it's been said several times that people "feel" more as though they're playing a nation with many of the micromanagement aspects of Civ IV, and ultimately what's the point of a game concept like Civilization if it doesn't get that across?

    By contrast my feeling with Civ IV is that the civs themselves were too generic, and I could feel I was playing a nation but never that I was playing the Khmer or the Greeks, or that Diplomatic AI 1 was really Joao II of Portugal and Diplomatic AI 2 was Pericles the Athenian statesman. The big sell of Civ V for me is that the game goes overboard on giving exactly that "sense of place", even if it's at the expense of some of the feel of being lord and master of all you survey. And yes, if you look into it or know the basics the characters aren't very true to life (Askia Mohammed was not noted as a great warmonger, and Bismarck is remembered as a statesman and great unifier rather than a belligerent converter of barbarians), but I can at least get a feel for who they are and the states they belong to.
     
  5. Disgustipated

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    I'm starting to get burned out on the expansion now. I just started 2 games which I will not finish. My main beef right now is the time between turns. It makes marathon games unplayable for me at least. I'll try a normal speed game right now to see how that goes. I was also going for culture win and didn't take the liberty tree. OMG how long it took my workers to build improvements without that 25% worker increase buff. I couldn't stand it. Like 20 turns to build a trading post.

    If there is any way to increase time in between turns, please let me know.

    Another major complaint is it takes too long to "fill up" the world. Tiles are acquired at such a slow pace (unless you take the first SP tree which is inferior to liberty in nearly every way). Unless you are going for culture win, the map has many blanks spots on it.

    I know people will say gameplay> realism. But it bothers me there are blank spots on the map in like the 20th century. Civ4 was too easy to pop borders, and Civ5 is too hard imho.
     
  6. Calouste

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    Historically, there are places that on Earth that are conductive to human habitation, but weren't settled in a significant degree until about 1890ish: the Pacific Northwest of America, most of Australia outside the south east, Patagonia.
     
  7. zomg

    zomg Chieftain

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    LOVE CIV 5!!!!

    I really enjoyed civ4, but civ 5 is so much better. 1 UPT mixing tactical/strategic elements, Happiness simplifying the less glamorous side of civ (pollution/sickness/etc), hp on units, city states, graphics update, no need for transports (AI ACTUALLY ATTACKS OVER WATER - HUGE)... its just all win.

    Always have a game on the go.
     

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