it doesnt contradict itself, they are two separate opinions about two separate things. Yes i love that the religious aspect is in your face. I however like that corporations and espionage can be run in the background. Sure you have to invest in it somewhat but for the most part you can get by with just the passive bonuses. They also did strip things out then re add them back in with the expansion. Religion was in vanilla civ 4 that was initially taken out. Espionage came in the last expansion that was removed. You mark my words, they will more than likely make another expansion and add in some features that were in previous games. Why would u take out good features. Im simply saying that civilization 5 should have and could have improved the formula rather than change the game so dramatixally. I dont get what your arguing with me for. I do like civ5 as if ive stated many times but it is not as good as previous versions of the game which, to a hardcore fan, is sad to see such a drift from the tried and true formula.