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Going for Gold: Ideologies

Discussion in 'General Balance' started by Stalker0, Jun 4, 2018.

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Is this item in a reasonable state of balance?

Poll closed Jun 18, 2018.
  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. BiteInTheMark

    BiteInTheMark Emperor

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    You could limit it to Melee/Gun/Ranged units. The units you mainly lose on the battlefield and need replacements. Simple fresh meat for the meat grinder.
    Tell me one Freedom tenet which didnt help you, even if you are conquering your neighbors?
    All freedom tenets have atleast a small advantage as a side kick, which helps everyone.
     
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  2. phantomaxl1207

    phantomaxl1207 King

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    Can't think of one, good economy always helps the new Cities that will be taken.
     
  3. Gidoza

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    Is it possible to get an actual value of yields listed for Lebenstraum? I think it the only tenet that doesn't actually tell you what it does.
     
  4. phantomaxl1207

    phantomaxl1207 King

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    It seems that Treaty Organization actually gives 8 Votes on standard maps.
     
  5. Thibix Magnus

    Thibix Magnus Chieftain

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    to add a comment after the balance poll discussion. I'd find it sad if draft registration goes away for freedom :) Progress - (even tradition) -statecraft-industry-freedom was a very fun way to conquer the world based on money and protecting external trade routes, and quite a different style from others, more opportunistic, less constant war.

    I know it's not a common opinion, but I think the 3 ideologies should allow for the 4 victory conditions, only fitting different ways to achieve them. Freedom shouldn't lose its perks to win domination, it's the other ideologies that should be allowed to achieve all victories with their specific playstyles. Order seems a few tweaks away from being adapted to the 4 victory types. I'm less used to autocracy gameplay, but maybe they could use something to help a science victory in a bloody way.
     
  6. pineappledan

    pineappledan Deity

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    I disagree, if only because it would be difficult to make each ideology feel distinct if they could all do everything.
     
  7. Thibix Magnus

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    well, draft registration was maybe OP for a lvl 1 tenet but it made freedom domination -based on protecting external trade routes- feel quite distinct from the other gameplays. If distinct feeling was already achieved, why not at least preserve it in some way?

    Order might be viable at diplomatic victory just by being wide, but something unique could be to extend the benefits of guerrilla warfare and fighters to allied city states (or units in allied CS territory, if not already the case?). Or make some raw yields tenets benefit allied CS. You could then have a very specific and "internationalist" diplomatic style, no perk to gain influence but better at defending CS.

    I'd guess a balanced science perk for autocracy is harder to find, because conquest is about removing competition anyway. But it could be something like: military-industrial complex, each time a unit requiring oil, aluminium or uranium is built, a % of the production is transferred as science. Not useful if you want to keep upgrading the same army in a victorious domination run, but benefits from a stalemate grind where you have to replace units.
     
  8. JamesNinelives

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    I just finished a game using Freedom (lost to the Maya who achieved a science victory) and it seems OK overall.

    My only complaint is that Civil Society feels underwhelming? Like, IRL it's a pretty significant thing but mechanically it's kinda meh. You get food in your cities, particularly your capital if it is working lots of specialists which is nice. Mostly though I don't really care that much about city growth in the late-game though? Especially policies like Urbanisation (at Tier 1) and Universal Healthcare (at Tier 2) exist in the Freedom tree, Civil Society seems like a poor pick. In theory it might allow you to work more specialists in your cities, or work specialists while still growing, but it doesn't address what I care about when working lots of specialists - which is the unhappiness they produce.

    In terms of policies I like in the Freedom tree: I'm a fan of Universal Suffrage and Arsenal of Democracy.
     
  9. phantomaxl1207

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    I would say that Draft Registration should have kept some bonus to Supply.

    Civil Society does feel unnecessary with the other sources of Food from other Tenets.

    What if we swapped Siege I to Air Targetting I on B-17's to give Freedom more of a defensive focus?
     
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