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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/01/greece-golden-dawn-violence-eu-crisis/print

Golden Dawn: 'Greece belongs to Greeks. Long live victory!'
EU criticises the establishment's failure to deal with violence in a country suffering from effects of harsh budget cuts
Helena Smith in Athens
The Observer, Saturday 1 June 2013 15.18 EDT

It wasn't just that their symbols looked like swastikas. Or that thousands of Greek flags filled the marble square beneath the Acropolis. Or that they were marking the 560th anniversary of the fall of Constantinople.

It was that there were so many of them. Angry men and angry women furiously screaming "Greece belongs to Greeks" in the heart of ancient Athens, as tourists – some befuddled, some shocked – looked on or fled at the sight of neo-Nazis coming to town.

"Now we are in the thousands," thundered Nikos Michaloliakos, the bespectacled mathematician who leads Greece's far-right Golden Dawn party. "Long live victory!"

Like the soldiers on whom they model themselves, the Greeks who subscribe to the ultra-nationalist, neo-fascist dogma of Golden Dawn are the first to say they are at war. This week, as Antonis Samaras's coalition government struggled to contain an escalating crisis over efforts to curb the extremists, it was they who appeared to be winning that war.

Amid a dramatic surge in attacks on immigrants blamed on the neo-Nazis, the debt-stricken country's ruling alliance has come under unprecedented pressure to crack down on racially motivated crimes. Legislation calling for a ban on parties perceived to incite such violence was proposed by prime minister Samaras's two junior leftist partners last month. Claiming that it would "victimise" Golden Dawn, which has 18 of the 300 MPs in parliament, the conservative groups last week rejected the bill as counterproductive. On Friday they put forward their own, less punitive law.

As parliament prepares to debate how best to apply legislation that will curb the party, – measures that have unexpectedly electrified the political scene – the far right is flourishing in the knowledge that, in a country reeling from the twin ills of austerity and despair, it is they who are in the ascendant. Since elections last year, Golden Dawn's appeal has almost doubled, with successive polls showing support of between 11% and 12% for the neo-fascists. Privately pollsters acknowledge that, as Greece's third-strongest and fastest-growing political force, the group could garner as much as 15% of support in local elections next year.

"It is wrong to believe that they are an ephemeral phenomenon," said Professor Dimitris Kerides, who teaches political science at Athens' Panteion University. "They are not only a product of this country's economic crisis. There is something sick in Greek society that Golden Dawn expresses," he added, referring to the rise in "Greek-only" blood banks and food rallies organised by the extremists. "They are here to stay. And as of 2014 they are going to be everywhere, with access to state resources because, for sure, they will win seats in municipal elections and, in some towns, place mayors."

Emboldened by success, the neo-Nazis have become ever more visible. Across Greece, party branches have been opened at a record pace, with pupils actively recruited in schools. In villages, black-clad supporters proudly sporting the party's insignia have proliferated, and in the southern Peloponnese, traditionally a stronghold of the right, Golden Dawn graffiti are scrawled over the roads and even rocks that dot the landscape of seaside resorts and archaeological sites.

Racially motivated violence has soared to such a degree that European officials blasted Greece for failing to take adequate action. Nils Muižnieks, the European commissioner for human rights, recently felt moved to point out that democracy was at risk in the birthplace of democracy because of "the upsurge in hate crime and a weak state response". It was vital, he said, that domestic and international anti-racism laws were enforced to crack down on violence that had been "linked to members or supporters, including parliamentarians, of the neo-Nazi political party Golden Dawn".

The Greek police and justice systems – both of which have been accused of colluding with the extremists – also had to be reformed, he said.

Indicative of the far right's growing political grip, the conservatives fear that legislation proposed by their leftwing partners will further alienate traditional voters who have migrated to Golden Dawn in disgust at the political establishment blamed for the country's crisis. The party's spectacular rise has been attributed, in part, to defections from the Greek orthodox church and the army.

"The whole thing is a mess," said Dimitris Psarras, an investigative journalist who has followed the group since its incipiency on the collapse of military rule in 1974. "Even if the law is passed, the message that is conveyed is that democracy is divided in knowing what to do with this neo-Nazi threat." For too long, said Psarras, Greeks had watched with complacency as the far-right group went from strength to strength.

Just as in Weimar Germany, when Hitler's National Socialist German Workers' party rose from obscurity, opponents have remained eerily quiet. Until last week, when the 92-year-old poet Nanos Valaoritis deplored Golden Dawn as "having all the characteristics of the party which led Germany to destruction", few in Greece's political or intellectual elite had been willing to take on the extremists.

The lack of public debate has added to the mystique of an organisation whose workings remain opaque. The local media appears to have missed the story of Golden Dawn. To this day, the party's financial backers and advisers remain shrouded in secrecy.

"Few in the establishment have openly addressed the danger of Golden Dawn and almost no one in the media has looked into it," lamented Psarras. "Only now is it being taken seriously, but in my mind that could be too late."

Capitalising on the deep wells of antipathy towards mainstream politicians, the far right has begun targeting the middle class. In recent months Golden Dawn offices have appeared in affluent areas around Athens.

Greece's petit bourgeoisie of shopkeepers and small businessmen has, like civil servants, suffered most from crushing budget cuts demanded by the EU and IMF in return for emergency aid.

In an atmosphere thick with resentment and rage, immigrants from Asia and Africa have made easy scapegoats, with growing numbers of Greeks blaming foreigners for the country's record rate of unemployment – at over 27%, the worst in the eurozone.

"Anger always wants a target," said the prominent clinical psychologist, Dr Iphigenia Macri. "Golden Dawn provides a target, which is immigrants. It is targeting all that anger and sense of abuse that, collectively, Greek people feel at the hands of the government and state."

In a bid to keep passions at bay among a population that reached boiling point long ago, the government has desperately tried to convince Greeks that, three years after the onset of their worst crisis in modern times, there is "light at the end of the tunnel". Optimism has been propelled by economic progress.

However, the neo-Nazis' rise defies any notion that all is well. "The victorious party is Golden Dawn," said political commentator Nikos Xydakis. "Real life is very removed from the success story the government is selling. The neo-Nazis have succeeded not only in demystifying brutality; they are a reflection of the fear and poverty in this country."

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A few questions for Euro posters more acquainted with Greek politics:

1. Is this article a tad alarmist?
2. Why are there so many fascist thugs in Greece, in your opinion?
3. How does the rise of Syriza (if you can say there has been one) compare to the Golden Dawn?
4. What do you speculate Golden Dawn would do if they ever actually seized a parliamentary majority, either through themselves or coalition?
5. Does this bode anything terrible for the rest of the world, or does Greece have a very particular culture that just latches onto this?
 
The next elections will tell us how much is alarmist and how much is true, its fairly embarrassing to Greece though if its even half true. And Ill tell you this, if Golden Dawn ever wanders its way into a ruling coalition Greece should be suspended from the EU, NATO, and any other organizations they are in and be isolated for their ignorance.
 
Although GD is a fiercely bad party indeed for Greek standards, I wouldn't give much credence to this article by the Guardian. GD is nowhere near UKIP in popularity, nor anywhere like the worst in the region by far (remember Romania with uncle Ceaușescu? Or any of the major current Turkish parties...).

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I am only inclined to note, in complete relevance to the issue of the OP article's credibility, that the Guardian is a paper known for its extreme positions. According to the wiki article of the Guardian:

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guardian)

wiki article on the tarnished reputation on the Guardian said:
Northern Ireland

When 13 civil rights demonstrators were killed on 30 January 1972, known as Bloody Sunday, by British soldiers in Northern Ireland, The Guardian blamed the protesters, stating, "The organisers of the demonstration, Miss Bernadette Devlin among them, deliberately challenged the ban on marches. They knew that stone throwing and sniping could not be prevented, and that the IRA might use the crowd as a shield."[23] Some Irish Nationalists believed that Lord Widgery's enquiry into the killings was a whitewash,[24] but The Guardian declared that "Lord Widgery's report is not one-sided" (20 April 1972[25]). The paper also supported internment without trial in Northern Ireland: "Internment without trial is hateful, repressive and undemocratic. In the existing Irish situation, most regrettably, it is also inevitable. ... .To remove the ringleaders, in the hope that the atmosphere might calm down, is a step to which there is no obvious alternative."[26] And before then, The Guardian had called for British troops to be sent to the region: British soldiers could "present a more disinterested face of law and order",[27] but only on condition that "Britain takes charge".[28]

Also:

same article as above said:
A leaked report from the European Monitoring Centre on Racism cited The Economist's claim that for "many British Jews," the British media's reporting on Israel "is spiced with a tone of animosity, 'as to smell of anti-Semitism' ... This is above all the case with the Guardian and The Independent".The EU said the report, dated February 2003 was not published because it was insubstantial in its current state and lacking sufficient evidence.[57][58] Greville Janner, former president of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, has accused The Guardian of being "viciously and notoriously anti-Israel".[59]

So it is known to be a paper with extremist views, which can be even termed as offensive, racist, or even fascist. As in the case above where it openly accused the dead irish protesters for the massacre of Bloody Sunday, or the other case, where it was accused by the main Jewish organization in London that it is anti-semitic.

So, to conclude, in this post my aim was complementary to the above post by myself, and was to show that, effectively, the Guardian cannot be trusted as a source of information, particulalry when it comes to foreign groups. :)
 
GD is nowhere near UKIP in popularity, nor anywhere like the worst in the region by far (remember Romania with uncle Ceaușescu? Or any of the major current Turkish parties...).

WTH?! The GD are NEO-FASCISTS, not just Right-Wing clowns like the UKIP, Fidesz or PVV. Which is great if you don't feel particular ill towards such, but isn't really a majority sentiment for a good reason. Even the Turkish major parties, including Erdogan's AK party are debeaked kittens compared to the GD.
 
WTH?! The GD are NEO-FASCISTS, not just Right-Wing clowns like the UKIP, Fidesz or PVV. Which is great if you don't feel particular ill towards such, but isn't really a majority sentiment for a good reason. Even the Turkish major parties, including Erdogan's AK party are debeaked kittens compared to the GD.

Not really, the main opposition party in Turkey at the moment is the CHP (in english: Republican People's Party). It is one of the Kemalist parties (somewhat to be expected, since it was founded by Kemal himself). I am pretty sure they are not into accepting things like the genocide of Armenians or Assyrians, since their actual founded organized it and all.

Then of course, there is Erdogan's party. Who can accuse it of being undemocratic, despotic, or violent in any way. It is a moderate islamist party, that currently has more than just tens of thousands rioting against it. I guess though they know less of it than you, so their own desperation does not really count as something hinding at that party's fascist ways- they even call it fascist themselves...

Not to mention the nice Turanist party called "Gray wolves", which even has its own militant brach to carry political assasinations (sometimes on command from the government, according to this wiki article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_Wolves) They seem to have carried out more than 1000 murders of political enemies up to now...

So due to all that i think my point was quite logical, that the gd, horrible and below Greek standards as it surely is, is nowhere near the worst in the region. It is just probably by far the worst in Greece. I hope the crisis will end and gd will go back to its 1% in the previous elections.
 
Not really, the main opposition party in Turkey at the moment is the CHP (in english: Republican People's Party). It is one of the Kemalist parties (somewhat to be expected, since it was founded by Kemal himself). I am pretty sure they are not into accepting things like the genocide of Armenians or Assyrians, since their actual founded organized it and all.

Today's CHP is not really comparable to the 1920s CHP; If I were an ethnic Armenian illegal immigrant and I had to choose between CHP controlled Turkey and GD controlled Greece, I'd pick the former, even if I got paid a thousand euros for picking the latter.

Then of course, there is Erdogan's party. Who can accuse it of being undemocratic, despotic, or violent in any way. It is a moderate islamist party, that currently has more than just tens of thousands rioting against it. I guess though they know less of it than you, so their own desperation does not really count as something hinding at that party's fascist ways- they even call it fascist themselves...

Erdogan is an old-fashioned Neo-Ottoman. Democratic, but dull. A bit like Charles de Gaulle. The Turkish protests are more like France 1968 than the Anti-Apartheid revolts.

Not to mention the nice Turanist party called "Gray wolves", which even has its own militant brach to carry political assasinations (sometimes on command from the government, according to this wiki article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_Wolves) They seem to have carried out more than 1000 murders of political enemies up to now...

The Grey Wolves are hardly mainstream, and isn't even a political party but a youth organization of a Turkish ultranationalist party, the only Turkish political entity which is justifiably comparable to the Golden Dawn.
 
Today's CHP is not really comparable to the 1920s CHP; If I were an ethnic Armenian illegal immigrant and I had to choose between CHP controlled Turkey and GD controlled Greece, I'd pick the former, even if I got paid a thousand euros for picking the latter.



Erdogan is an old-fashioned Neo-Ottoman. Democratic, but dull. A bit like Charles de Gaulle. The Turkish protests are more like France 1968 than the Anti-Apartheid revolts.



The Grey Wolves are hardly mainstream, and isn't even a political party but a youth organization of a Turkish ultranationalist party, the only Turkish political entity which is justifiably comparable to the Golden Dawn.

I do not agree, at all, with any of your points there. I sometimes doubt if some people are even trying to sound like they want to express an argument, instead of just antagonizing for the hell of it :crazyeye: But, well, i will try to refer to your points, at least briefly:

1) You do not speak for armenians. You should know that Armenians have a strong antipathy for Turkey still, and moreso for Kemal, who killed so many of them in Cilicia and elsewhere. Your first point relies on something so irrational and constructed that it merely depicts that you are willing to post something utterly made-up so as to have something to say.

2) Erdogan is not Charles de Gaulle. Nor are the massive riots in Turkey at the moment anything like some protests in non-communist held Europe of the near past. You are again either willing to fool yourself into thinking such a ludicrous analogy, or merely want to have to say something against what was said.

3)The Gray Wolves are a political party in Turkey, with a branch in nearby Turkic countries too. They are a known terrorist organization which has killed more than 1000 people, sometimes, as mentioned in the wiki article, under commands of the elected Turkish government... The gd are pathetic, but i hope you are not going to claim they have killed 1000 people, or are effectively the Gray Wolves of Greece (oh wait, you did already, so yeah, another pitiful claim there).

Feel free to further dissaprove of my points, and return with your own. But at least please try to say something that does not sound as uneducated on the subject as those points you already made. The only thing i accept with your posts here is the first thing in them, namely that gd is not like ukip, but it is clear in my own post that i just compared its popularity to ukip, not claimed it is equally bad as ukip; ukip is not at all bad compared to gd indeed.
 
1) You do not speak for armenians. You should know that Armenians have a strong antipathy for Turkey still, and moreso for Kemal, who killed so many of them in Cilicia and elsewhere. Your first point relies on something so irrational and constructed that it merely depicts that you are willing to post something utterly made-up so as to have something to say.

I know all this, but that doesn't contradict anything. At least the CHP left the Turkish minorities alone (save for the Kurds), which can hardly be said of the GD which has a longstanding tradition of hating everything that isn't Greek.

2) Erdogan is not Charles de Gaulle. Nor are the massive riots in Turkey at the moment anything like some protests in non-communist held Europe of the near past. You are again either willing to fool yourself into thinking such a ludicrous analogy, or merely want to have to say something against what was said.

You think too light of De Gaulle then.

3)The Gray Wolves are a political party in Turkey, with a branch in nearby Turkic countries too. They are a known terrorist organization which has killed more than 1000 people, sometimes, as mentioned in the wiki article, under commands of the elected Turkish government... The gd are pathetic, but i hope you are not going to claim they have killed 1000 people, or are effectively the Gray Wolves of Greece (oh wait, you did already, so yeah, another pitiful claim there).

Say that to all the Pakistanis and African immigrants who have been harassed - to point of murder - by the GD. And besides, we all are aware that the Grey Wolves are terrorists, so what's the point?
 
I know all this, but that doesn't contradict anything. At least the CHP left the Turkish minorities alone (save for the Kurds), which can hardly be said of the GD which has a longstanding tradition of hating everything that isn't Greek.



You think too light of De Gaulle then.



Say that to all the Pakistanis and African immigrants who have been harassed - to point of murder - by the GD. And besides, we all are aware that the Grey Wolves are terrorists, so what's the point?

Again, i don't see any actual real point there Kaiserguard.

1) The CHP, unlike gd, has been ruling a country, Turkey, for a vast part of the time Turkey existed at all. It is at least naive to compare the known and verified racist actions of a ruling party, to those the 4rth party in the Greek Parliament, never in rule of the country, is supposed to be willing to have in the unlikely scenario that it will be in power...

2) You know, it is ok to make comparissons like that, if you live in the Netherlands, but it is not exactly the same when you live in a part of Europe which has had autocracy and genocides for the best part of the last half of the millenium. It is not a good idea to compare France, with its noted ills, to Turkey, not even France of the 1970s to Turkey of the 2010's. It just is not at all something to be paralleled in any meaningfull way.

3) Sorry but again you are irresponcibly identifying the verified executions of upwards of 1000 political enemies of the Turkish Establishment (that often is said to have hired the Gray Wolves for its killings, as mentioned in the article from wiki) to the effect of gd's rhetoric against illegal immigrants in Greece. You first say gd harassed them (which is very plausible, but of unknown scale) and then make the utterly ill-thought of comment: (harassed)"to the point of murder", which is not even intelligible by itself. Surely you are aware that if gd had killed people it would not exactly still be in parliament, right? Which is exactly my point about the Gray Wolves, who are verified to kill and kill again, and still exist, with the blessing of the state you seek to compare to France in the near past (around 1970).
 
debeaked kittens
Minor nitpick: It is declawed kittens. Cats don't have beaks.

On topic: The party leadership and the bulk of their adherents seem to be plenty fond of neo-fascist policies even if they claim they aren't fascists. That they support neo-fascist policies is enough to make me dislike them regardless of how they self-identify.
(Plus, 'Golden Dawn' sounds too much like 'Mythic Dawn', the bad guys from Oblivion.)
 
I am only inclined to note, in complete relevance to the issue of the OP article's credibility, that the Guardian is a paper known for its extreme positions. According to the wiki article of the Guardian:

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guardian)
Also:

So it is known to be a paper with extremist views, which can be even termed as offensive, racist, or even fascist. As in the case above where it openly accused the dead irish protesters for the massacre of Bloody Sunday, or the other case, where it was accused by the main Jewish organization in London that it is anti-semitic.

So, to conclude, in this post my aim was complementary to the above post by myself, and was to show that, effectively, the Guardian cannot be trusted as a source of information, particulalry when it comes to foreign groups. :)

I've got to say I hardly recognize your description of the Guardian, here.

From, what I presume to be, the same wiki article:
Founded by textile traders and merchants, The Guardian had a reputation as "an organ of the middle class",[92] or in the words of C.P. Scott's son Ted "a paper that will remain bourgeois to the last".[93] "I write for the Guardian," said Sir Max Hastings in 2005,[94] "because it is read by the new establishment", reflecting the paper's then growing influence.

The paper's readership is generally on the mainstream left of British political opinion: a MORI poll taken between April and June 2000 showed that 80% of Guardian readers were Labour Party voters;[95] according to another MORI poll taken in 2005, 48% of Guardian readers were Labour voters and 34% Liberal Democrat voters.[96] The newspaper's reputation as a platform for liberal and left-wing opinions has led to the use of the epithet "Guardian reader" as a label for middle-class people holding such views,[97][98] or sometimes as a negative stereotype of such people as middle class, earnest and politically correct.

Guardian features editor Ian Katz stated in 2004 that "... it is no secret we are a centre-left newspaper ...".[1] In 2008, Guardian columnist Jackie Ashley said that editorial contributors were a mix of "right-of-centre libertarians, greens, Blairites, Brownites, Labourite but less enthusiastic Brownites, etc" and that the newspaper was "clearly left of centre and vaguely progressive". She also said that "you can be absolutely certain that come the next general election, The Guardian's stance will not be dictated by the editor, still less any foreign proprietor (it helps that there isn't one) but will be the result of vigorous debate within the paper."[99] The paper's comment and opinion pages, though often written by centre-left contributors such as Polly Toynbee, have allowed some space for right-of-centre voices such as Simon Jenkins, Max Hastings and Michael Gove.

In the run-up to the 2010 general election, following a meeting of the editorial staff,[100] the paper declared its support for the Liberal Democrats, in particular due to the party's stance on electoral reform. The paper suggested tactical voting to prevent a Conservative victory, given Britain's first-past-the-post electoral system.[101]

Assistant Editor Michael White, in discussing media self-censorship in March 2011, says, "I have always sensed liberal, middle class ill-ease in going after stories about immigration, legal or otherwise, about welfare fraud or the less attractive tribal habits of the working class, which is more easily ignored altogether. Toffs, including royal ones, Christians, especially popes, governments of Israel, and US Republicans are more straightforward targets."

The most significant thing I remember about the paper - and it's many years since I last bothered to read it, I have to admit - is that it was always full of misprints; indeed to the extent that it was (almost affectionately) known as the "Groiniad": being a purported misprint of its title.

I'd say that, far from being known for extremism (of any sort), it was, and has remained as far as I can tell, steadfastly, harmlessly left-leaning, and bourgeois.

Which is damning enough, you might say.
 
The problem with Greece is that belongs to the Greeks. For far too long they have not been doing enough to make their nation work and as far as i am concerned, the sooner they default, the better, since it means that they get a dose of medicine they really need to wake up from the slumber. Then they will have to live on their own two feet and get no outside assistance.
 
Minor nitpick: It is declawed kittens. Cats don't have beaks.

On topic: The party leadership and the bulk of their adherents seem to be plenty fond of neo-fascist policies even if they claim they aren't fascists. That they support neo-fascist policies is enough to make me dislike them regardless of how they self-identify.
(Plus, 'Golden Dawn' sounds too much like 'Mythic Dawn', the bad guys from Oblivion.)

:thumbsup:

Regarding the debeaked cats, maybe Kaiserguard was (unconsciously) going on about some Chimera-like creature that gd to him represents in a modern setting :)

I am not sure if the gd policies are neo-fascist, since i do not really know much about fascist policies, apart from when the term is more loosely used to refer to anything acutely undemocratic. In that case i agree they have a number of undemocratic policies.
I would not think their actual supporters/voters are that much ideologically expressed by gd by and large, at least when compared to how many of them seem to have been effectively driven to gd due to the current pitiful conditions (most notably of all other places, in Athens, which has over 3 million people, and many hundreds of thousants of illegal immigrants along with only a very insignificant number of legal immigrants). That said, gd is definitely anti-legal-immigrant too, which is one of their policies i was thinking of when i agreed that they are undemocratic.

It is one thing to be anti-gd (i am as well), but quite another to claim they are in reality murderers (like the Gray Wolves in Turkey). Surely there are degrees in which political entities are horrible, and gd is towards the end of the bad side of the spectrum, but still not that close to it as other parties in nearby countries, or in the general region, in Europe, and of course neither near what the historical main murderous political parties like the nazi party were). They are still a very bad party, born by the current misery here, (and even more so from the absolute failure of the other parties to express practical solutions).
 
I've got to say I hardly recognize your description of the Guardian, here.

Its ok, it is not my description. It was in the wiki article that it was elaborated that the Guardian was accused of antisemitism less than a decade ago, by the main jewish community of London, and before that it had a clearly difficult to defend extreme position naming the irish dead as those to blame for their massacre. So it is not at all about my own view, and neither about yours, if i dare say ;)
 
The problem with Greece is that belongs to the Greeks. For far too long they have not been doing enough to make their nation work and as far as i am concerned, the sooner they default, the better, since it means that they get a dose of medicine they really need to wake up from the slumber. Then they will have to live on their own two feet and get no outside assistance.

Nice bit of racism there ch ;) Last i heard there were loads of greeks in Australia, i hope you treat them better at least than to tell them the patronizing and false views you have about this country.

I merely replied there since i wanted to note that i hope there will be no more of that kind of post here. :goodjob:
 
The problem with Greece is that {it} belongs to the Greeks. For far too long they have not been doing enough to make their nation work and as far as i am concerned, the sooner they default, the better, since it means that they get a dose of medicine they really need to wake up from the slumber. Then they will have to live on their own two feet and get no outside assistance.
It doesn't really belong to the Greeks anymore. That is a problem in and of itself.
 
It doesn't really belong to the Greeks anymore. That is a problem in and of itself.

Well they tried to live to the standards of other European countries without having the money to do so, so now they are losing control because they already lost it when tried to live outside of their means. Greece is an economic basket case because it was doing things it could never afford.
 
If this were a privat entity filing for bankruptcy, the creditors' encouraging overspending with full knowledge of its consequences would be held to be a criminal act in some courts. Whoever did the oversight would be liable to prosecution as well.
 
Its ok, it is not my description. It was in the wiki article that it was elaborated that the Guardian was accused of antisemitism less than a decade ago, by the main jewish community of London, and before that it had a clearly difficult to defend extreme position naming the irish dead as those to blame for their massacre. So it is not at all about my own view, and neither about yours, if i dare say ;)
They were accused of being "anti-Israel", not "anti-Semitic"- there's a difference- and the organisation in question is explicitly religious in nature, electing its members from congregations and Jewish religious organisations (charities, youth groups, etc.), while most British Jews are non-practising or secular, and so are not eligible to participate in elections to the Board. (A typical example would be the Labour leader Edward Milliband, who identifies as agnostic, attends no synagogue, and so despite being the single most prominent Jew in the country, is no more effectively represented on the Board than I am.)

(Plus, 'Golden Dawn' sounds too much like 'Mythic Dawn', the bad guys from Oblivion.)
As a general rule, any political organisation with poetic, light-based names is bad news. See also: Shining Path.

It is one thing to be anti-gd (i am as well), but quite another to claim they are in reality murderers (like the Gray Wolves in Turkey). Surely there are degrees in which political entities are horrible, and gd is towards the end of the bad side of the spectrum, but still not that close to it as other parties in nearby countries, or in the general region, in Europe, and of course neither near what the historical main murderous political parties like the nazi party were). They are still a very bad party, born by the current misery here, (and even more so from the absolute failure of the other parties to express practical solutions).
It is one thing to be anti-NSDAP (i am as well), but quite another to claim they are in reality murderers (like the Black Hundreds in Russia). Surely there are degrees in which political entities are horrible, and the NSDAP is towards the end of the bad side of the spectrum, but still not that close to it as other parties in nearby countries, or in the general region, in Europe, and of course neither near what the historical main murderous political movements like the White Russians were). They are still a very bad party, born by the current misery here, (and even more so from the absolute failure of the other parties to express practical solutions).

-Herr Kyriakenheimersteinenheim, 1932.
 
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