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Trump Says He Won’t Sign Loyalty Pledge Required for G.O.P. Debate​

The Republican National Committee has demanded that 2024 contenders pledge to support the eventual nominee in order to debate. The former president is refusing.

Former President Donald J. Trump said on Wednesday that he was unwilling to meet one of the requirements to participate in the first Republican presidential debate, refusing to sign a pledge to support the eventual nominee. “I wouldn’t sign the pledge,” he said in an interview with the conservative outlet Newsmax. “Why would I sign a pledge? There are people on there that I wouldn’t have.” The decision would seem to rule out the possibility of him being at the debate on Aug. 23, yet he also said that he would announce next week whether he planned to take part. Asked for comment on Thursday, the Republican National Committee, which sets the rules, referred to past interviews in which its chairwoman, Ronna McDaniel, has defended the pledge and said the committee will hold everyone to it.

“The rules aren’t changing,” she said on CNN last month. “We’ve been very vocal with them.” In the Newsmax interview, Mr. Trump said, “I can name three or four people that I wouldn’t support for president,” without naming them. “So right there, there’s a problem right there.”
Mr. Trump also said that he wasn’t convinced it was worth it for him to debate given how far ahead he is in the primary, and that he wasn’t worried that the debate would change his standing. A recent New York Times/Siena College poll showed him leading the field by an enormous margin, more than 35 percentage points ahead of his nearest competitor, Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida. “If you have a 20-stroke lead going into the 18th hole, you tend not to be that worried,” he said at his golf course in Bedminster, N.J., on Thursday, as Cameron Smith, the 2022 British Open winner, stood a few feet away.

Some other Republicans criticized Mr. Trump on Thursday for his refusal to commit to supporting a nominee other than himself. “Every Republican running for President would be better than Joe Biden,” Gov. Brian Kemp of Georgia said on Twitter. “Any candidate who does not commit to supporting the eventual nominee is putting themselves ahead of the future of our country.” At least two other candidates have already signed the pledge: Mr. DeSantis and Nikki Haley, the former governor of South Carolina and former United Nations ambassador under Mr. Trump. “Alright fellas, your turn,” she wrote on Twitter on Thursday.

Mr. Trump’s vacillation over the pledge is not new; he objected to signing the same loyalty pledge during his first campaign eight years ago. He ultimately did, but then took it back. That history underscores that the pledge is, in practice, unenforceable. Party leaders can refuse to let a candidate debate for not signing, but they can’t force someone who does sign to actually support another nominee next year.

One of Mr. Trump’s opponents, former Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey, has said that he will sign the pledge, but that he would not support Mr. Trump if he is the eventual nominee: “I’m going to take the pledge just as seriously as Donald Trump took it in 2016,” he told CNN.
Another opponent, former Gov. Asa Hutchinson of Arkansas, has suggested that — if he otherwise qualifies for the debate, which he hasn’t yet — he would sign based on the far-from-safe assumption that Mr. Trump won’t be the nominee and Mr. Hutchinson won’t actually be tested.
 
This is going to be the most fun primary of our lives.

As long as I believe Brandon will win I can agree, but if I let myself think Brandon might lose then it's honestly terrifying. They're genocidal in the literal sense and they also want to burn the world in an increasingly literal sense.
 
As long as I believe Brandon will win I can agree, but if I let myself think Brandon might lose then it's honestly terrifying. They're genocidal in the literal sense and they also want to burn the world in an increasingly literal sense.
Thinking we can and should win is good. But when democrats think we are definitely going to win, we lose, and when it's on the line, we win again.
 

Trump Says He Won’t Sign Loyalty Pledge Required for G.O.P. Debate​

The Republican National Committee has demanded that 2024 contenders pledge to support the eventual nominee in order to debate. The former president is refusing.

Former President Donald J. Trump said on Wednesday that he was unwilling to meet one of the requirements to participate in the first Republican presidential debate, refusing to sign a pledge to support the eventual nominee. “I wouldn’t sign the pledge,” he said in an interview with the conservative outlet Newsmax. “Why would I sign a pledge? There are people on there that I wouldn’t have.” The decision would seem to rule out the possibility of him being at the debate on Aug. 23, yet he also said that he would announce next week whether he planned to take part. Asked for comment on Thursday, the Republican National Committee, which sets the rules, referred to past interviews in which its chairwoman, Ronna McDaniel, has defended the pledge and said the committee will hold everyone to it.

“The rules aren’t changing,” she said on CNN last month. “We’ve been very vocal with them.” In the Newsmax interview, Mr. Trump said, “I can name three or four people that I wouldn’t support for president,” without naming them. “So right there, there’s a problem right there.”
Mr. Trump also said that he wasn’t convinced it was worth it for him to debate given how far ahead he is in the primary, and that he wasn’t worried that the debate would change his standing. A recent New York Times/Siena College poll showed him leading the field by an enormous margin, more than 35 percentage points ahead of his nearest competitor, Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida. “If you have a 20-stroke lead going into the 18th hole, you tend not to be that worried,” he said at his golf course in Bedminster, N.J., on Thursday, as Cameron Smith, the 2022 British Open winner, stood a few feet away.

Some other Republicans criticized Mr. Trump on Thursday for his refusal to commit to supporting a nominee other than himself. “Every Republican running for President would be better than Joe Biden,” Gov. Brian Kemp of Georgia said on Twitter. “Any candidate who does not commit to supporting the eventual nominee is putting themselves ahead of the future of our country.” At least two other candidates have already signed the pledge: Mr. DeSantis and Nikki Haley, the former governor of South Carolina and former United Nations ambassador under Mr. Trump. “Alright fellas, your turn,” she wrote on Twitter on Thursday.

Mr. Trump’s vacillation over the pledge is not new; he objected to signing the same loyalty pledge during his first campaign eight years ago. He ultimately did, but then took it back. That history underscores that the pledge is, in practice, unenforceable. Party leaders can refuse to let a candidate debate for not signing, but they can’t force someone who does sign to actually support another nominee next year.

One of Mr. Trump’s opponents, former Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey, has said that he will sign the pledge, but that he would not support Mr. Trump if he is the eventual nominee: “I’m going to take the pledge just as seriously as Donald Trump took it in 2016,” he told CNN.
Another opponent, former Gov. Asa Hutchinson of Arkansas, has suggested that — if he otherwise qualifies for the debate, which he hasn’t yet — he would sign based on the far-from-safe assumption that Mr. Trump won’t be the nominee and Mr. Hutchinson won’t actually be tested.
This thread should be merged into the Clown Car Thread
 
I predicted, not sure if I posted it here, that DeSantis started his campaign way too early and lost all of his momentum. Lots of push for Youngkin now, could be a dark horse, maybe not. I kind of like Sununu of NH since he’s more of the old Northeastern Republican but without the blue blood of a Romney or (John) Kerry.
 
This thread should be merged into the Clown Car Thread
Not least b/c Sommer went to some trouble--completely on his own initiative--to make that thread.:mischief:
 

Chaos Erupts When Republican Candidates Are Asked if They Believe in Climate Change​

There is no scientific dispute on the question, but almost none of the Republican presidential candidates gave a straight answer.

[IMG alt="Mike Pence, Ron DeSantis and Vivek Ramaswamy tried to speak over one another during the first Republican presidential debate on Wednesday."]https://static01.nyt.com/images/202...pg?quality=75&auto=webp&disable=upscale[/IMG]
Mike Pence, Ron DeSantis and Vivek Ramaswamy tried to speak over one another during the first Republican presidential debate on Wednesday.Credit...Kenny Holston

By Neil Vigdor
  • Aug. 23, 2023Updated 11:26 p.m. ET

It was an unusual litmus test for a Republican primary debate, one that quickly descended into personal attacks and obfuscation: The candidates were asked whether humans had contributed to climate change.
There is no scientific dispute that the answer is yes, but hardly any of the Republican candidates gave a straight answer. Before they could raise their hands, Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida broke in.
“Look, we’re not schoolchildren,” he said, rejecting the idea of a show-of-hands response. “Let’s have the debate.” The line of questioning from the moderators, Bret Baier and Martha MacCallum, was about the devastating wildfires in Maui and a recent tropical storm that caused flooding in Southern California. They mentioned rising ocean temperatures and played a clip from a young conservative, who asked how the Republicans running for president could assuage young people’s concerns about climate change.

Mr. DeSantis, a distant second in the polls to former President Donald J. Trump, who skipped the debate, deflected and criticized President Biden’s response to the wildfires in Hawaii.

Vivek Ramaswamy, the millionaire entrepreneur whose campaign has dabbled in conspiracy theories, seized on the moment to deny the scientific consensus on climate change. “Let us be honest as Republicans — I’m the only person on the stage who isn’t bought and paid for, so I can say this — that climate change is a hoax,” he said. Mr. Ramaswamy added, “And so the reality is more people are dying of bad climate change policies than they are of actual climate change.”

Chris Christie, the former New Jersey governor, admonished Mr. Ramaswamy, whom he sparred with frequently throughout the night. “I’ve had enough already tonight of a guy who sounds like ChatGPT,” Mr. Christie said, referring to the artificial intelligence chatbot. He then compared Mr. Ramaswamy’s frequent mentions of his skinny frame and his “odd” last name to the rhetoric former President Barack Obama used when he first vaulted onto the national political stage. “And I’m afraid we’re dealing with the same type of amateur,” he said.

Nikki Haley, the former South Carolina governor and United Nations ambassador under Mr. Trump, sought to reset the conversation.
“Is climate change real?” she said. “Yes, it is. But if you want to go and really change the environment, then we need to start telling China and India that they have to lower their emissions.”
 
It's weird. I can't decide which is worse: the "it's real, but we should totes do nothing until other countries become leaders on this issue" take as opposed to the "it's a hoax!! omgburgers!" take.

I mean, both are stupid, but I guess: I can't decide which one is more absurd? Just as a discussion point I suppose.
 
We actually can't stop it on our own. And she didn't say we should totes do nothing, unless you have a different quote.
 
We actually can't stop it on our own.
You can stop your outsized contribution on your own.

In a way I think it is a good thing they were all too afraid to even state their position, it shows they know they are vulnerable.
 
The more people experience climate change directly in their life, be it through wildfire, water scarcity, floodings or invasive species, the more they are likely to turn away from these politicians. The best way for the Republicans to get their vote is to not mention the Climate Crisis at all, so that's why they are ha-humming about it. In this regard, what interests me is not what they are saying, but what they are doing. But of course all of them are unacceptable in these times where we need to act as humanity.
 
In the most inflammatory exchange, Trump seemed to indulge a suggestion from Carlson that Trump’s political opponents might try to end his life.

“They’re savage animals. They are people that are sick. Really sick. You have great people in the Democrat Party, you have great people that are Democrats,” Trump said. “But I’ve seen what they do, I’ve seen the lengths that they go to.”

The incendiary comment comes as Trump has venerated those charged with crimes for the deadly riot at the U.S. Capitol and downplayed the violence that day. He repeated his praise in the interview.

“People in that crowd said it was the most beautiful day they’ve ever experienced. There was love in that crowd. There was love and unity,” Trump said of the supporters he addressed on the morning of Jan. 6, before they marched to the Capitol.
“I have never seen such spirit and such passion and such love. And I’ve also never seen, simultaneously, and from the same people, such hatred of what they’ve done to our country.”

Trump goed coo-coo in lala-land.
 
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