Gordon Brown

How do you feel about Gordon Brown?


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Gordon Brown is of course overwhelming favourite to suceed Tony Blair as leader of the Labour party and thus become the UK's next Prime Minister. So lets discuss him. And have a poll to see what you people make of him of coruse!

To start with...todays news about him on the BBC website:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6650639.stm
Brown outlines 'eco towns' plan

Gordon Brown says he wants to see five new "eco towns" created as part of a general increase in house building to meet "pent up" demand for homes.
The chancellor, campaigning to succeed Tony Blair, said he wanted the 100,000 homes in "carbon neutral" communities to be built on old industrial sites.

Mr Brown told the BBC's Sunday AM he wanted to help create a "home-owning, asset-owning, wealth-owning democracy".

He spoke as the Labour Party prepares to draw up a leadership race timetable.

Mr Brown told the BBC's Sunday AM he wanted to help create a "home-owning, asset-owning, wealth-owning democracy".

He spoke as the Labour Party prepares to draw up a leadership race timetable.

The party's ruling national executive committee is meeting on Sunday afternoon and will announce afterwards the timetable for both the leadership - and deputy leadership - contests.

The whole process is expected to take about seven weeks even if neither of the proposed left-wing leadership challengers, Michael Meacher and John McDonnell, get backing from the 45 Labour MPs needed to enter the contest.

They claim that between them they can meet that figure and have said that the one with the least support will step aside in favour of the other.

Mrs Thatcher

As they continue to seek nominations from Labour MPs the two will debate policy with Mr Brown at a conference on Sunday evening.

Although Mr McDonnell told the BBC's Politics Show he believes he can beat Mr Brown, the two are not generally seen as a realistic threat to Mr Brown's chances of being chosen by Labour as its new leader, and hence as Britain's next prime minister when Mr Blair leaves Downing Street on 27 June.

Indeed, the chancellor's campaign has begun by targeting voters at large as much as those in Labour and the trade unions who will decide the party's next leader.

He told Sunday AM he wanted to go further than Margaret Thatcher in extending home ownership.

"But I also recognise you have got to combine the building of housing for ownership with the building of houses for rent in a far more mobile and fluid society," he added.

The proposed five "eco towns" could each contain up to 20,000 homes and showed "imagination" in combining the need for homes with helping the environment.

War powers

The ex-MoD base at Oakington in Cambridgeshire, at present an asylum seeker holding centre, is earmarked for the first of the new towns with 10,000 homes.

Councils will be invited to bid to host the other settlements which Mr Brown said would have bus routes, cycle lanes and schools designed in a way to make them carbon neutral communities overall.

But the Conservatives insisted the idea of "carbon neutral" towns were announced last year by a housing minister.

Shadow chancellor George Osborne said: "It's another example of same old Labour, same old spin."

During the interview Mr Brown confirmed his plans to give Parliament more power over things such as decisions to go to war.

Healthcare

But he rejected suggestions that the Iraq war had been a mistake and said he planned to visit the country.

Asked what mistakes had been made since Labour came to power in 1997 Mr Brown said: "I think if you look back over the last ten years, what happened over the Dome was a mistake."

He also said his announcement of a 75p pension rise "could have been done far better".

And, although he defended it, he acknowledged there were "always lessons to learn" from criticism that he had indulged in spin in the Budget when he announced a headline 2p cut in the basic rate of tax, even though other changes meant many people would not be better off.

On the National Health Service he said "we've still got a lot to do to show people" it is moving "into the modern era... there for people when they need it".

He said he did not think the health service should be given full independence, saying ministers still needed to make funding decisions, but he talked up the local accountability allowed by foundation hospitals.

But for the Conservatives, the shadow health secretary Andrew Lansley said: "Gordon Brown is responsible for Labour's financial mismanagement of the NHS. He failed to make the NHS a priority during his 10 years as chancellor and his rhetoric... is unconvincing."
The eco towns thing sounds like a good idea...

I want John McDonnell to get the leadership...but i'm sure he won't. Or Meacher. Howver a debate with them would eb rather good as I think it would take Brown slightly more to the left.
 
I really don't like Gordon Brown, I mean i'm not a fan of Labour as it is [i'm Lib Dem] but even Tony Blair was better than Brown :|
 
Argh... tricky... good and bad points... I'd prefer someone else as Prime Minister (for the first time ever I actually support the Conservatives). However, he does seem to be the best candidate out of the Labour party (which is quite depressing when you think about it).

David Milliband seemed good, but I don't think he has the experience [yet] to be a good Prime Minister. Remember William Hague.

He'll probably be an 'average' Prime Minister overall.
 
I'm curious as to what non-Brits actually know about him and what they make of him.

Fairy said:
I really don't like Gordon Brown, I mean i'm not a fan of Labour as it is [i'm Lib Dem] but even Tony Blair was better than Brown :|
Whilst I'm a Lib Dem supporter who prefers Brown to Blair!:crazyeye:
 
Well let's start off with all that gold he sold. Way to lose the UK over £2 billion, Gordon!
 
It might be good for the country to be weaned off this asinine beauty parade concept.

Blair and Cameron are all presentation layer.
It's about time we had someone with the data link control intact.

Brown would really impress me if he removed Murdoch's tax breaks, and cut him down to size. Ah... pipedreams...
 
If he calls a General Election as soon as he takes over the labour party I'd have more respect for him. The people should have a choice who the next PM is.
 
If he calls a General Election as soon as he takes over the labour party I'd have more respect for him. The people should have a choice who the next PM is.
But we all know he won't because his promotion is more important to him than doing what the people want.
 
Another champagne-quaffing pseudo-socialist ready to trade the lives of IRaqis in exchange for political payoff.
 
I think he'll be a good PM but a bad Leader. Pretty much like Major - a behind-the-scenes Chancellor takes the reigns from a bold and charismatic PM.
 
As mise said. And frankly I don't care if he calls an election or not. The system we have is meant to have a PM with minimal powers; the party being the main focus of power, so its not as big a deal as say a vice president taking over etc.

Course the trend of our PM's seems to be that they are increasingly more important etc, which I find a shame.
 
We've heard barely anything about him on this side of the pond. I dont feel I know nearly enough to have much of an opinion on him.

He does have a badass last name however.
 
Course the trend of our PM's seems to be that they are increasingly more important etc, which I find a shame.

That's not just a UK phenomenon, it's happening in most countries based on the British Parliamentary System.

Which is why I favour an elected Governor General who will take on the Head of State duties that most Prime Ministers are taking up for themselves.
 
I don't like him, mainly because I start singing the Stranglers whenever I hear his name... (thanks for that, PoL)
 
For some bizarre reason, everytime I hear the name Gordon Brown I think of the dystopian British film Children of Men, as if Brown would be the Prime Minister of that Britain. I picture Gordon Brown as a sort of dictator, chaining up immigrants etc..
 
He seems like a no B.S. guy but I'm curious why the labour party has lost so much ground in his own backyard?
 
yeah I feel negative about him too. but i'm not really sure why!?! i think its because I'm one of 'Tonys children' and I'm sad to see him go. that combined with a general feeling of distrust about brown. irrational I know.
 
I'm curious as to what non-Brits actually know about him and what they make of him.

I know very little about him. Admittedly, though, even if I knew a lot about him, whether I liked him or not would almost assuredly depend on different criteria than you would probably look at. We over here loved Thatcher and Blair because they were such staunch American allies in times of war.
 
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