Gotm 137

Thanks for this. I don't think I'm giving too much away in saying I won't be trying for OCC!

This is, of course, based on my experience with GotM 135. I suggest anyone who is trying this one, and didn't try #135, looks at the spoiler thread for #135 to get a feel for how the situation might develop.

I don't intend to discourage.... "do come on in, the water's lovely" as one might say in England (e.g. to a holiday companion, after going in the sea and realising how cold it is.)

 

I was a bit disappointed to see that this would be GOTM 137. I played 2 attempts at GOTM 135 in the OCC format (not very sucessfully). It got somewhat tedious by the end of the second attempt, with all the Mongol cheating. Now I get to play the same map a third time (with only 2 attempts at GOTM 136) in between. I was hoping for something new and different.

I guess the non-OCC will be a bit better, but the first couple hundred turns are going to virtual OCC what with being locked on the little pentagon with 5 other CIVs.

I am not sure if I am interested enough to play it again so soon.

 

Hi haleewud,

Yes enough of OCC on this map!

Here are some ways to not be playing OCC for first couple hundred turns:

1. Pop hut, use military unit to remove a rival and create room.

2. Build in spaces, maybe using unexploited ocean specials e.g.


3. Build Lighthouse and sail off to a new world.

regards,
Inkerman

 

I will go as fast as I can for Lighthouse.
During OCC restarts were no problem.Here you have to erase 3 civs right in the beginning -
or you play another OCC. Now where do restarts occur and who will it be ?
Maybe there comes a time where

is a little bit out of time.

 

I am probably going to try to keep the pentagon rivals alive as well.

I played the OCC twice. In the first, all the pentagon rivals stayed alive until the Mongol onslaught started. During the second attempt, the Celts actually eliminated the Babylonians and Germans. Both civilizations restarted on the South continent. A lot of the South continent was occupied by the time I was able to look at it (which was much later due to OCC). Still I am worried that getting a little more room on the pentagon (by eliminating a rival), will mean a lot less space in the south when I am finally ready to move that way.

 

Thirty years before motorways came to Britain, a road numbering system was settled on that assigned the numbers A1 - A6 to the main radial routes from London.

( You don't want to know this but the A1, formerly the Great North Road, goes via York, to Berwick on the east coast at the Scottish border (and Edinburgh). The A2 goes to Dover the most significant Channel port. The A3 to Portsmouth, location of the main naval base. The A4 to Bristol a main Atlantic port, and South Wales. The A5 via the Industrial Midlands to Holyhead for boats to Ireland. And the A6 to Carlisle on the west coast near the Scottish border (and Glasgow.) )

Perhaps because of that I can see a certain attraction in a trading and co-operation approach. Getting on with all our neighbours including alliances, making London a big trading hub at the centre of a web, and putting cities on the middle of each pentagon side, no doubt with roads to soon follow. Later we can look to have trade coming in from more cities in the new world on the southern continent.

But I don't find it easy to be confident that is better (quicker?) compared to other possible approaches.

For example if we see the path to success very much in a new world eventually coming to the rescue of the old, or we'd like to do a lot of hut-popping, then it might be as well to get Lighthouse and send a trireme off as soon as we can - not worrying too much about London longterm, so maybe a quick city or two close by and just one or two cities on the south coast, as gateways for emigration. Perhaps this is what mercurios will do - and who better incidentally to build lots of large, thriving cities in the new world?

Or maybe, as the Pentagon is a sizeable land rich in resources, enough to sustain a winning civ on its own, and there is plenty of grassland to build on, an ICS approach packing cities in, might let us grow quite big quite quickly, and get tribute from the neigbours. If we were first to Polytheism (and it is only the Celts of our neighbours who will chase it compared to the more civilized tech advances) who knows what we might achieve? We could then make the big trading city in the south later, if we need one. Major Advantage preferred a different city site in his GotM 135, and was successful in quickly eliminating two of the neighbours as part of that plan.

From GotM 135 we learnt that if local neighbours are eliminated they are very likely to re-spawn in the south, if not at first then after the Mongols have knocked them out again. I don't share haleewud's concern over this using up the space. It will have an effect on huts though, as the AI will take a lot of them - but it is a big continent and there will still be plenty of good city sites not taken. In my game Barbarians eliminated the Aztecs who re-spawned there, but even with them and the ones I deliberately sent there (in the hope they would balance the Mongols) there was plenty of room. (The risk of Barb landings make me a bit nervous about leaving coastal cities empty incidentally, but I know I shouldn't worry.)

Going through the game, assuming we expect to take a tech lead eventually, because we are orange, development will come easier if we can keep our power rating ahead of everyone but one (i.e. the Mongols!) That is perhaps the main reason I think not to eliminate a neighbour too soon.

One thing I think we will see if enough people have a go at this is big random things making a difference e.g. early Barb elimination of Aztecs, and how early and which Civs travel to the south. I have a feeling the Mongol path is not entirely predictable too. And what happens with that hut that is next to us may cause paths to diverge quite quickly.

I think it rates to be the usual Civ2 immersive experience and quite enjoyable, especially with revenge a factor (see the GotM 135 spoiler.)

 

I have started and played alreday into AD (two unsuccessful attempts on 135 and only played one turn on 136). I'm still not sure about the best initial strategy. In both my attempts on 135 I killed the germans first (before founding my city) and both times dark blue respawned on the northern continent. Don't know if that was deterministic or just coincidence but in theory, it would help to slow the mongols down.
About LH to reach the southern continent, I wasn't sure about the strategy to build that LH: Let a city start to build a wonder early on or wait for trade and let other cities help with caravans?
Furthermore, since the AI is cheating, they don't necessarily recquire LH to have unsinkable triremes...

 

Hello, old friends! I have been very busy the last few months, but would like to play at least one more gotm this year. Since I am so bad at OCC and the Modern Era, I will probably play this one instead of 135-136. Also, I am guessing this one should be shorter than 136 in RL time. The rules allow replay from the start, right ?

At first glance, my instincts are to wipe out the island AI's asap, not worrying about respawns or the Mongols until later. If it seems I can build the Lighthouse before the island conquest, I will switch plans.

 

A partial rather than a full answer.

After playing #135 (discussed in spoiler but not submitted) I made several experimental OCC plays from the starting position for varying distances into the game. So I think it would be good to at least allow "experiments" from the starting position providing a second city is not built or captured.

In the same way that replay is only permitted right from the beginning, I am not suggesting that any such experimental play can be converted into a real game - if things go well try and do the same when it comes to the real (no regrets) playing.

And I too am delighted to see Peaster back active and maybe playing this one.

 

I started last night, assuming that starting over was OK, as in 135. I popped the hut a few times until I got a decent result (a military unit. Its type may be "spoiler" info, but I will share it upon request, if that matters). After that, I did not start over, partly because the game went fairly well, and partly for reasons of time. I played to approx 1200BC. Should I continue the game and submit it, or stop ?

Either way, I'll understand. It might be fair to say "start over again", for example, but I'd prefer not to do that, just for RL time reasons.

 

Same here. Getting a stupid tech (Warrior code iirc) from the one and only hut for millenias seemed like a huge waste, so I started over again and got a unit.

I wasn't sure if the special rule of #135 was still valid, but in this case (just one hut) there might be a huge difference between a good and a bad outcome.

 

Given GotM 135, and with time now invested, my vote is in favour of a ruling that allows continuation.