GOTM 19 Spoiler Thread and Poll: What Early Wonder Did You Choose?

[geofelt]

I picked hanging gardens. Celebrating with 3 whales gives the same trade as colossus, plus it helps elsewhere. I had some close calls with barbarians, and the greeks were nasty early. I bribed most cities, and destroyed all capitols by 1870, leaving the japanese with only one island city which I could have taken then. My plan is to launch a full ss.
This is my first gotm game, and I like the idea. The choice of which start is a good one.

 

[Smash]

here is my 'log" to 1AD:


3750-hut>chariot(supported)
3700-Alphabet
3650-hut>archer NON
3500-hut>25 gold
3400-hut>archer(supported)
3350-Code of Laws
contact Greeks-trade for Map Making-alliance-share maps-receive Warrior Code
hut>nomad
hut>Mysticism
3250-temple
3150-hut>horseman(supported)
2950-hut>50 gold
2800-trireme
2600-Monarchy
2500-hut>horseman-NON
revolt
2450-govt-Monarchy
contact Aztecs-trade for Writing-peace-share maps
Greeks gift 50
2400-diplomat
2350-hut>archer-NON
2300-contact Vikings-peace-share maps
2250-contact Americans-trade for Pottery-peace-share maps
hut>Seafaring
2200-hut>chariot NON
hut>50 gold
2150-library
2100-contact Japan-trade for Currency-peace-share maps
2000-contact Indians-peace-share maps
1950-trade Aztecs for Masonry-alliance-receive 50 gold
hut>The Wheel
1850-size 4
market
alliance with India
alliance with America-receive 50 gold
hut>Construction
1800-Greeks gift 25
1700-Trade
1600-coal caravan
1550-hut>horseman NON
1450-hut>50 gold
1400-salt caravan
20% luxuries
1350-We Love the King
1250-30% luxuries
1200-size 5
1150-gold caravan
1100-Literacy
Greeks gift 50
Americans 50
Indians 50
Aztecs 50
975-Indians gift 100
Americans 100
925-coal arrives in Athens-84 bonus
lux>20%
Indians gift 50
Hut>2 barbs
875-Philosophy>Math(no Republic offered)
850-colliseum
Aztecs gift 50
825-copper caravan
salt arrives in Athens 88 bonus
800-beads caravan
775-hut>50 gold
Greeks gift 25
Americans 50
725-The Republic-instant revolution-“we love” carries over
cancel Aztec alliance to have units sent home
700-gold arrives in Athens 98 bonus
650-Indians gift 50
625-aquaduct
600-Astronomy
575-Greeks gift 100
550-end “we love” size 12
500-Cope’s Observ.
475-Engineering
450-cloth caravan
400-Medicine
copper arrives in New York 364 bonus
375-harbor
350-Sanitation
beads arrive in Washington 388 bonus
325-Banking
225-University
Americans gift 50
200-sell coliseum
175-Shake’s
sell temple
150-“we love” size 12
125-Gravity
sewer system
100-Americans gift 100
75-cloth arrives in Athens 194 bonus
50-Economics
built bank
25-salt caravan
1AD-trade Vikings for Iron Working

 

[ferenginar]

Smash, that is very impressive, but I have a question.
In playing this Gotm the first two huts I popped were advance tribes, how would you handle this, or does it automatically invalidate the OCC.

ferenginar 88

 

[duke o' york]

That's the point of the OCC!
You have to save the game before you pop every hut and then reload if you get an advanced tribe out. Anything else, you continue, but you can only have one city ever.

 

[ferenginar]

I hadn't realised that you were allowed to save and reload

ferenginar 87

 

[sekong]

That's the only case you can reload. And if you want OCC, you should. Check starlifter's Paulicy link.

 

[Smash]

Yes that is what must be done.I only do it for huts on plains or grass.You won't get an advancer from any other terrain.

It can be quite frustrating if you forget and enter a hut at 700AD or something.Likewise,reloading can be frustrating as you may have to reload umpteen times just to get something besides an advanced tribe...and it is usually barbs

Paul's site is here

 

[GenShwartzCough]

Gen. O da Newbies has another question. Actually, it is the first one for THIS thread. Do I submit each save as I reach them, or send all 3 at once? And is the GOTM19_Info_Setup_Log file to be sent as well?

 

[Smash]

all at once.

no, just send your saves.

up to 1000AD

40-Invention
60-size 21
100-end “we love” size 23
140-Democracy-instant revolution
salt arrives in Kaupang 256 bonus
180-Chemistry
240-Gunpowder
Sir Isaac’s
280-Explosives
built university
trade Greeks for Feudalism
300-trade Americans for Navigation
320-cloth caravan
340-Physics
360-stock exchange
380-Bridge Building
420-Magnetism
460-Metallurgy
480-wine caravan
500-Electricity
trade Greeks for Chivalry
540-Refrigeration
560-engineer
580-Conscription
engineer
cloth arrives in Washington 348 bonus
620-Steam Engine
supermarket
disband trireme in the field
Vikes declare war
640-start “we love” size 21
660-Railroad
700-Industrialization
740-Leadership
peace with Vikings
760-end “we love” size 26
sell sewer
780-The Corporation
sell aquaduct
800-Darwin’s>Steel>Refining
declare war on Vikes for Americans for 400 gold
820-Electronics
wine arrives in Athens 78 bonus L
840-factory
860-Combustion
900-Automobile
920-superhighways
940-Tactics
960-power plant
980-Machine Tools
diplomat

 

[GenShwartzCough]

Well gang, the newbie cloud over my head is now bigger and darker. I submited my lame attempt at my first GOTM. I retired in 2020 with squat. LOL. Time to hit the threads and do me some learnin'. If anyone can refer me to some really good threads on "Successful Trade Management", I would be grateful. After some reading, I am going to try this one again to see if I do better. I chose Colosss btw. Later......

 

[TimTheEnchanter]

Given my time constraints I knew I had to go OCC, especially when I saw those whales. It hurts not having rivers or anything, but it was a servicable spot. Much like smash I seriously considered HG, but figured (a) it wouldn't really help until size 3 and (b) depending on my tech path, it might be several turns before I had a wonder to work on. Turned out that wasn't an issue, but that might be in part because of the colossus speeding my early techs. Approaching 1ad now and I've got nothing close to Smash's city. Oh well.

 

[Smash]

The Eagle has landed.

1020-Mass Production
submarine
1060-Miniaturization
1080-offshore platform
1100-Computers
1120-research lab
1140-Mobile Warfare
bribe barb dragoon 102(NON)
1180-Robotics
barb leader 150
1220-Atomic Theory
manufacturing plant
1240-howizter..just in case
1260-Flight
1300-Radio
1340-Advanced Flight-no Rocketry offered.Chose Commie cuz the Greeks have it but they want Advanced Flight for it.Can’t take the chance.
Bribe barb rifleman 82(non)
1380-Communism
1420-Rocketry
1460-Space Flight
1480-Apollo
1500-Plastics
1560-Nuclear Fission
1610-Muclear Power
1640-15 structurals ready
1650-The Laser-no Superconductor
trade Americans for Amphibious Warfare
1680-Superconductor
1710-Fusion Power
sell research lab
1720-sell university
1730-sell library
1750-6 components ready(not enough gold to launch a smaller ship in time)
Greeks sneak attack
1760-sell bank
1762-15-3-3-1-1-1 ready-LAUNCH

various city defenses and units

Arrival-1777AD

Monarchy-2450BC
Republic-725BC
Democracy-140AD

Cope’s-500BC
Shake’s-175BC
Sir Isaac-220AD
Darwin’s-800AD
Apollo-1480AD

Trade-1700BC
Construction-1800BC
Sanitation-350BC
Refrigeration-540AD
Automobile-900AD
Computers-1100AD
Space Flight-1460AD

Size12-550BC
Size21-60AD

Routes
1st-925BC
2nd-825BC
3rd-700BC

 

[Old n Slow]

I started with the gardens -- rationale was due to my expected tech path. I normally pick Bronze Working as my “off” tech en route to Monarchy, and wow I start with it! Thus I can build Colossus & usually do. Hanging Gardens, on the other hand requires Pottery, which I don’t look for until after Philosophy, Trade & sometimes Engineering.

Reading through the logs is enjoyable -- clearly a variance in the way the game plays out.

I started two days ago (couldn’t wait any longer).

Didn’t do any black clicking. Preliminary suspicions: given the gift of three techs at start, one should be suspicious that there are corresponding disadvantages such as poor initial site (not this time!), small opportunity to expand #1 island -- (LH? we’ll take the chance), small opportunity to expand #2 neighbors (GW?, again we’ll take the chance) or maybe both. Send the archer out walking, but build a phalanx in Moscow before a settler.

-3600, discover Alphabet, start CL; Archers discovers a hut with an angry horse--ow, ow, ow, glad to be alive.
-3550, defender on the job; start a settler.
-3200, discover CL, start Write
-2800, Settler founds St. Pete
-2650, discover Write, start Mon
-2500, Moscow emits a second settler, starts building a Temple (which is not that necessary with HG, I guess, but in looking through the happy stuff, it looks like it could make a difference when the city gets circa size 5-6 or so with WLTK days. I kind of have the time now & want this city to grow, and would like WLTK to continue through the construction of Colossus, next of the list of things to do.)
-2400, nothing exciting to report, except that I’m 25 beakers away from Monarchy & will miss the oedo turn, but hey I’m looking at beakers!
-2200, discover Mon.
-2100, revolt,
-2050, now a King.
-2000, hut -- polytheism; (saw a quick flash of a barb to the west & orange; check the top 5 cities (should have done this at the start!) -- Moscow & St. Pete are #1 & #5, with Vikes, Aztecs & Amerks in the game -- expect science pressure & some early wonder competition accordingly.
-1900, hut -- horse -- non (soooo we’re that close to someone else…)
-1850, start Col (should have RB the temple…guess I’m playing too fast & sloppy, oh well, I’ll need to start some better habits).
-1700, hut -- Archer -- non (still have rock to search, but with a potential neighbor, maybe I can try some sort of early recon in force -- new stuff for me). Hey it’s a Greek warrior who says hi: out of the four techs available, I take Map, Sea, & WC for BW, HBR, & Poly (pass on Pot for Mon). hut, advanced tribe (Minsk, but later it is seen that this site is one space away from an ideal site, so this will produce a settler quickly…)
-1500, We love the King in Moscow

-1300 -- Warrior sneak attacks my horse near Therm; horse gets little damage, but fortifies anyway. Warrior inside Therm. attacks out, emptying the city, soooo my horse steps in, the size 1 city evaporates & I get Pottery. Therm being the third Greek city means that Athens & Sparta (or ruins of…) lie further beyond. Next turn, when I say no, I later accept their desire for peace with $100g.
-1150 -- discover Myst, start Curr.(postpone Feud, Mas., Rep.)
-775 -- discover Cur, start Phil. (postpone Trade, Feud, Mas., Rep., IW, Wh)
-725 -- now with 5 cities
-700 Build Colossus; 200K pop. 1st (actually 1st in the rest (except Mil. serv.) as well. Trade Myst for Masonry with the Greeks.
-500 -- Learn Phil; learn Mono; start Trade (bypassing IW, Wh, Feud, Cons, Mth, Rep) place a barracks in St. Pete to address the expected Greek problem
-450 -- Start Pyr; nobody else has even started a wonder -- strange…..
-300 -- discover Trade, opt for Math (science takes about 9 turns at current rates).
-200 -- now at 7 cities
-75 -- discover Math, opt for Astro; Greeks push me too far -- of course it is conveniently after a couple of vet Crusaders are on the scene. Athens is crushed & Sparta is purchased. Athens 2 will soon be located near the original ruins. Come to think of it, Sparta could benefit from a relo as well.
-25 -- 400K pop.

So far so good, but I feel that I might have been better off stating Kiev closer to Moscow, getting an arrow or two sooner & perhaps switching to Monarchy as many as four turns sooner. My game is still too little search, too few cities.

I’m still playing too fast & loose during the early game. Finally developed a standardized log sheet -- need to set it up a bit better -- but forgot to have it on hand for the first turns of the game. Oh well, maybe next time I’ll have it at the get go.

 

[GaryNemo]

I choose the Hanging Gardens, always my favorite for quick growth. Also, my Capital SSC was celebrating quite a bit, makes it like the Colossus... and when I built the Colossus too...

But my population has not been what I've seen before. I think it's because this land is dry. The AI is having a hard time, fighting amongst themselves, but seem to not have lost a city to barbs. Recently around 900 AD, I watched the Americans fight off a furious Barb Legion attack. I was glad to see them do well, as Washington is a major trading partner with me. Anyway, I've built every wonder I want, 10 of them as of 1200 AD, and the AI has only got Great Library.

Since someone voted for my logs, here is thru 100 AD:

3900 BC, Start w None Archer and Hanging Gardens, build Settler.
Plan: Alphabet, (CB), Code Laws, Monarchy, Bronze? Writing?
3650, Hut: measly $25g, IPRB Phx, now Settler in 7 turns.
3350, first SETTLER, ALPHABET, choose Code of Laws.
3250, Founded StPetes, building Settler, Moscow on Horse.
3200, Hut: Advanced Tribe Kiev, wierd spot. Sci 5 in 5.
3150, CL, No Monarchy, choose Writing over Currency Poly etc.
3100, located Hills of Wine. IPRB Warrior for Settlers.
3000, produced first HORSEMAN. F11: roaring! Start Colossus.
2900, IPRB Kiev Warrior to expedite Settler. Sci 5/7.
2850, WRITING, choose Monarchy over Currency Myst etc.
2600, second Settler. Mtn Hut: Kiev Archer.
2500, MONARCHY, choose Currency over Lit Map Poly Wheel. Revolution? Yes. Horse Hut: Settler from None! First ROAD.
2450, Formed MONARCHY, 30,00,70%
70,000 pop in 3 cities, $4 -0, Sci 9/7, F11 Mfg=11 FS=6.6
2300, gun shy - 2nd hut I won't pop, things are going too well.
2150, Moscow WLTK, $6 -0, Sci 12/5, Mfg=9 FS=6.0, Hut Archer, Greek Warrior exchanges Map for HBR, Warrior for CL, we withhold Monarchy, then demand tribute and receive $25.
2100, Founded Minsk, Greek Warrior & Archer advancing upon us.
2000, Currency, choose Polytheism Elephant over Trade, Literacy, Iron, Feudal and Wheel.
1850, Bribe Gr Archer $87 Kiev. Greeks want peace, we demand tribute, Greeks declare WAR, we kill both Warriors.
1700, Poly, No Trade, choose Mysticism over Feud (keep 10 IPRB), Literacy, Masonry (hoping to capture it), Pottery (don't need Explorer for South Pole). Kill Gr Settler, become Vet.
1600, kill Gr Phx, another Vet Archer. Colossus in 9 turns.

1350, Mysticism, choose Trade over Mas Feud Iron Pot Wheel. Produced first ELEPHANT, started Wine Temple of Kiev. We are #1.
210,000 pop in 5 c, $10 -0, Sci 19/8, 12 Tech, Mfg=18 FS=6.3
1150, Built COLOSSUS of Moscow, st Temple. Advancing on Greeks.
1000, TRADE, choose Literacy over Iron/Bridge Feud Wheel. Founded Odessa. Sparta, Greeks offer Iron, $100 for Cease Fire, but No. Sparta will be enveloped, as we dream of the Pyramids.
290,000 pop in 6, $14 -0, Sci 30/6, 13 Tech, Mfg=19 FS=6.2

975, Spartans wanted $414, Elephant killed Phx, now only $138, but No, Archers storm and capture Sparta, $31 and Iron.
925, TEMPLE of Moscow. IPRB Warriors etc for 2 Caravans, and making 3.Settlers, located Athens archer, they offer all $84 gold, No.
900, Gr Archer charges hills. Dip pops Odessa Hut: Elephant.
875, Athens Warrior fires futily.
850, Americans started Pyramids! Literacy, choose Masonry over Philo Repub Feud Pottery Wheel. Elephant storms Athens, capture $47 Barracks & Whale, GREEKS DESTROYED.

825, 390,000 in 8 c, $15-2, Sci 33/6 15 Tech, Mfg=30 FS=5.6
775, completed Wine Mine of Kiev. 4 Settlers+1, Phx, 4.Archers, Horse, 2.Elephant, 3.Dips, 2.Caravans.in.production.

750, built Temple of Kiev.
700, Masonry, choose Philosophy over Math Constr Wheel.
625, founded Tblisi, producing Legion & IPRB Trireme.
500,000 in 10 c, $19-3, Sci 41/6 16 Tech, Mfg=34 FS=6.3
575, built PYRAMIDS of Kyoto, Americans sw to Grt Wall.
Noticed citizens of Kiev 3= 1 + 2 red, others 2 content.
550, Philo, Math, choose Astronomy over Mono Constr Feud Med Pot Repub. First TRIREME. 525 BC, built Library of Moscow.
475, built Temple of Minsk, exploring, working on Lighthouse.
610,000 in 10 c, $19-5, Sci 49/6 18 Tech, Mfg=39 FS=5.6
400, Astronomy, choose Constr over Mono Univ Wheel.
375, founded Sverdlovsk Whale Buffalo.
750,000 in 11 c, $20-6, Sci 54/6 19 Tech, Mfg=44 FS=5.2
275, Construction, choose Mono Michelangelo over Bridge Feud Med Pot Repub Univ. Temple stress accumulating. Fdd Yakutsk.
200, 960,000 in 12 c, $20-6, Sci 56/6 20 Tech, Mfg=51 FS=4.4
175, built Lighthouse of Moscow. Grinding out Mike's Chapel.
125, MONOTHEISM, choose Republic over Bridge Medicine Wheel Pottery Feud. Mike's Caravans nearly complete...
1010,000 in 12 c, $21-6, Sci 54/8 21 Tech, Mfg=58 FS=4.0
75, founded Vladivostok. What next? Knights or Not?
50, founded Little Novgorod, no Barbs yet, no AI activity.
25, island Hut: Advanced Tribe Krasnoyarsk.

1 AD, 1120,000 pop 15c, $26-7, Sci 68/6 21 Tech, Mfg=66 FS=4.4
4.Settlers+2 5.Dip+4 8.Caravan+7 6.Troops 5.Mounted 1.Catapult 1.Trireme+1 Athens.Barx Moscow.Library 5.Temple HG COL PYR LH.

20 AD, built MICHELANGELO, discovered REPUBLIC, choose Wheel Leonardo over Bridge University Banking. This land is dry...
40 AD, Revolution turn #102.
60, formed REPUBLIC, Americans nearly GrtLib, 3 Barb Legions appear from our lake! Dip Hut: 4 Barb Horse 20,00,80%
1140,000 pop 15c, $26-7, Sci 112/6 22 Tech, Mfg=69 FS=4.7
80, Washington DC builds GrtLib, Barb Horse kill Dip. Bribe Barb Legion $82, Kiev, short of $cash so 40,00,60%

I have received a nutty amount of Advanced Tribes. Their poor location and required defense has drained my exploration, and the Barbs attack them furiously...

 

[grigor]

Greetings, Comrades
Imperial Leader Grigor has built for you a wondrous building with a beacon atop its spire which enables us to explore the world and force it to submit to our way of life in extra quick time! Let us begin without delay on our goal of **TOTAL WOLD DOMINATION** ---- Muahahahahahahahaha!

BC
3900 What are we building? Useless soft units?? Abandon the shields -switch to Barracks! Our Archer searches for weak foreign prey.
3750* Peasant tribesman give us one of their unseasoned horse units to train
3700 We discover the Cyrillic Alphabet which none of our foes can read. We will learn the secret of maps and scourge the seas
3650 A band of domestic kulaks sees the light of truth. We point them to a fertile area
3550* A village of weak and spineless peasants give us 100 gold!! We will not repay them in kind. St. Petersburg founded. Barracks built. We sneakily begin a settler to convert to a great ship.
3450 another peasant tribe gives us a horse with a magical property - requires no governmental care! We are suspicious - there must be somebody around.
3350*We learn about Maps and unsinkable triremes. Although we on principle reject all religions as soft invitations to stray from the true path, we have heard that those who worship multiple gods know the secrets of unstoppable warfare with elephants. We shall test that rumor. Barbarous peasants appear from a village and are quickly stifled
3200 Our first ship, but no forces to put into it...
3150* Weak peasants give us 50 gold
3100 We discover the secret of elephants. We do not have the option to learn to write - we decide to research currency because the other civilizations won't
3050 Soft peasants give us 50 gold. Rush vet horse in St. Pete
2900 We find the Greeks. We are belligerent, and get WC as tribute. SIlly soft ones! We attack anyway, kill warrior
2850 We build vet Elephant, load into Trireme. The world will soon be ours!
2650 On a new island, we find a peasant village which gives us a magical Elephant. Oh boy.
2550 We find intelligent kulaks who have founded Kiev on new island. We will build a barracks there. Archer attacks Greek warrior and learns battle hardness the old fashioned way.
2500 Currency =>writing. We find Kaupang with our horse. They are spared for the moment. They trade Masonry for maps. We doubt they will get to use it! We receive Mysticism in tribute. A band of wandering kulaks will become workers for the warlike city of Kiev.
2450 We find a belligerent Japanese warrior. We kill the warrior for his effrontery.
2350 We find the Indians in Bombay. They grovel at our feet and give us 75g.
2300 Our patience with the Soft Indians is exhausted. We destroy Bombay. A village in the mountain knows the secret of working Iron and we gleefully extract it from them.
2150 After silly token resistance, the Russian juggernaut captures Delhi, and the pusillanimous Indians are no more! We find the fat-citied Americans. We trade for Code of Laws, which should give us excellent choices next discovery. We extort 25g.
2050 after recovery of hardened archer, our troops despoil Athens. Spineless Greeks destroyed!
1900 We find Trondheim and raze it cruelly.
1750 The Vikings are destroyed! - without recourse to making ships, as planned.
1600 Minsk founded on home island
1550 We discover the secret of Writing. Our so-called diplomats will cajole what our Elephants deign to spare. Despite our fondness for the warlike life, our advisers convince us to study the secret of Monarchy.
1400 We attack New York and take it. Smolensk founded on site of Kaupang.
1200 Odessa founded on home island. A truly good player would be able to develop the home island for a high score in the next 20 turns...
975 A glorious turn as Washington is captured, Monarchy taken, and the Americans destroyed.
925 We become a kingdom. Czar Lenin finds new methods of brutal cruelty which increase food and trade.
875 We find the Aztecs right under our noses. We collect 75 g. Little good will it do them
850 We learn Construction and investigate trade
800 Tenochtitlan destroyed. Pottery taken
775 A villlage donates a green legion. Teotihuacan bribed, Aztecs destroyed. A quick and satisfying war. But where is the last Japanese city?
575 After 200 years, craven Kyoto is finally discovered.
525 Kyoto destroyed! We Luxuriate. Czar Lenin Augustus has 44 citizens and one Wonder.

 

[ElephantU]

I chose Colossus because it benefits me from the beginning (5 vs 3 Trade) and lasts the longest of all the Ancient Wonders besides Pyramids. Oracle requires building Temples and Hanging Garden doesn’t benefit until the city hits 3 citizens and Monarchy (although then and with each new city it is probably better than Colossus). The Great Wall is primarily defensive, although the benefits toward Barbarians could be useful with Raging Hordes and forcing peace could be useful against the Greeks and Vikings. The Lighthouse would be useful for a small island, which this might be because of the three starting techs despite the triple whales, but it seems like there are other land masses nearby (legal black clicking). Pyramids could speed growth, but WLTCD is faster and can be controlled and planned. There was NO WAY I was going to take Great Library and have my tech plan "rooked" by AI’s tech choices.

AI CIVS (from top 5 cities):
White Rus (me!)
Green ?Jap/Zulu/Babyl - first two are trouble, thirds a charm
Blue Viking A E - - trouble: agressive & expansionist
Yellow Aztec - P C - good neighbors, dont expand much
Cyan Amer R - C - civilized, goes for tech & wonders
Orange Greek - E M - big trouble
Purple ?Mong/Sioux/Ind - if Mongol, mega trouble, others OK

TECH PLAN:
GOT:
Bronze, Horse, CerBur (Phalanx, Horsemen, Temple) (no 30-shield unit)
GOALS:
Writing (Diplomats=30, Library)
Monarchy (No resource penalty, less corruption, 3 free units)
Trade (MarcoPolo to monitor other civs, trade for tech & maps;
caravans for $ & wonders, Marketplace)
(fillers: Maps, Mysticism)
Monotheism (Mikes Chapel)
Republic (WLTCD, less corruption, more trade)
(fillers: Pottery, Seafaring)
Invention (Leos Workshop)
Democracy (Statue of Liberty)
Navigation (Magellans Expedition)
Economics (Adam Smith)
Explosives (Engineers)
Railroad
Corporation (Freight)

INITIAL ORDER: Alp:Wri:CoL:Mon:Cur:Mys:Tra:Map:LithiT:MT:Rep:Whe:Mas:Cst:Eng:Inv
(BTW, CIV2PLAN is GREAT!)

 

[ElephantU]

3900 Archer explore west, find river
SSCity (Moscow) 2F,5T(2g/3b),3Sh; change to Settler (no Barbs for awhile)
1st tech: Alphabet (4t/3b=12)
3850
3800
3750 Archer following river SW
Alphabet; 2nd tech: Writing (8t/3b=24)
3600 Hut (41,71): WarriorCode (@#$%&!!!) (11t/3b=33)
lotsa Tundra west of river valley
Decision: continue Settler (before city grow 2?) or Horse? continue
RB 2Sh
3550 Archer reach SW edge (terrain 25?) or large lake?
3500 Archer heading N
RB 4Sh
3400 time to bring Archer back (Raging Hordes!)
RB 4Sh; Food box just filled
3350 1st Settler (Food box new 2); 1F5T3Sh; start Horse
3300 Hut (43,65): Archer (SSC-nobody nearby!), goes N
SSC 2Sh
3200 Settler in river next to lake, reaching Wine
Archer exploring to N & S
Writing; 4th tech: CodeLaws (16t/3b=48)
3150 MRValley 2F3T(1g/2b)2Sh; start Phalanx (10t/5b=50)
SSC back to 2F,3Sh
3100 nice river to N
3050 Decision: finish Horse in SSC or change to Settler? Settler
RB 2Sh in SSC
3000 Hut (50,76): 100g!
RB 4Sh in MRV, switch to Horse
=========================
3000BC STRATEGIC REVIEW:
got 15b,101g, 2cities/each 1cit
2 archers (1 NONE); need Phalanxes in cities!
no contact with other civs yet (Top5: Vik,Aztec,Amer,Greek)
inc 3g, sci 5b(*10t=50), 6 techs (3 starters)
one undesired tech so far... Alp:WriWar)
nice rivers, but lotsa tundra, access to SouthPole edge
Horse for faster exploring would be nice... and a Diplomat...
=============================
2950 RB 4Sh in SSC, 8Sh in MRV
2850 Hut (42,54): Nomad Settler (make city in NRiver)
RB 8Sh in MRV
2800 RB 8Sh in MRV
2750 2nd Settler in SSC (head for S end dbl river); start Diplomat
RB 8SH in MRV
2700 NRValley 2F3T(1g;2b)2Sh; start Phalanx (7t/7b=49)
CodeLaws; 5th tech: Monarchy (9t/7b=63)
2650 RB 6Sh in MRV to finish Settler
RB 6Sh in SSC first row
2600 1st Settler from MRV, changed to Phalanx
(where are the Barbs?)
RB 6Sh in NRV
2550 SRValley 2F3T(1g/2b)2Sh; start Phalanx (7t/9b=63)
(just realized I only have one ocean port!)
2500 RB 6Sh in NRV for Phalanx
2450 Hut (37,63): Wheel (@#$%&*!!!!!!) (8t/9b=72)
2400 RB 4Sh SRV, chg Warrior
Settler in western plains spanning Buffalo & Whale
2300 WPlains 2F2T(1g/1b)2Sh: start Phalanx (8t/10b=80)
RB 1st row in NRV
MONARCHY! (immed REV!) 7th tech: Currency (7t/12b!=84)
2250 Hut (48,56): 50g
RB 8Sh in NRV,6Sh in MRV: Horse, 6Sh in SRV
2200 (time to start tracking beakers!) 12b
Dip in SSC; chg to Phalanx
Horse in MRV; chg to Phalanx
Hut (35,69): Nomad Settler (bring back to help WPl, then found)
RB 5Sh in WPl
2150 25b
NRV size 2
RB 6Sh in NRV
2100 39b
MRV size 2 (6t)
RB 4Sh in WPl: Phalanx
2050 56b
SSC, SRV size 2 (5t)
2000 73b
Settler in NRV (size 1)
=======================
2000BC STRATEGIC REVIEW
got 73b, 14g, 5 cities/3 size 2, 2 size 1
2 settlers, 2 archers, 2 phalanx, 2 horsemen, 1 warrior, 1 diplomat
still no contact with other civs? (Top5: Vik3,Az3,Greek3,Amer2)
inc 7g, sci 17b(*5t=85), 9 techs (2 white:Wheel & Monarchy)
another undesired tech... CoLWhe):Mon
better land to north, whales west, lotsa tundra & mtns
archer(N) & warrior(SRV) exploring along SPole; archer(SSC) exploring west
need more roads, mine Wine, irrigate plains
Wonder races should start soon...
==================================
Currency; 8th tech: Trade (7t/17b=119 uh oh!)
1950 7b, 21g
SSC finish Phalanx; start Temple
(wish I had at least 1 Wonder tech to start...)
1900 24b 28g
Aztec destroyed by JAPANESE! (uh uh oh!)
1850 41b 33g
NECoast 4F3T(1g/2b)1Sh; start Phalanx (6t/19b=123)
RB 4Sh in NRV
1800 60b 33g
RB 2Sh in SRV, 4Sh in WPl
1750 81b 30g
NRV, WPl size 2 (5t/21b=105 - KeyCiv?)
RB 4Sh in MRV
1700 102b 31g
MET GREEKS TO W! Uncoop->Neut with Peace,
exch Wheel for Maps(vs Iron)->Receptive (6t/21b=126)
RB 2Sh in SRV, 4Sh in NRV
Trade: 10th tech: Mysticism (no Lit, got Maps) (8t/21b=168)
Barbs in a lake! 2Arch+Ldr
1650 0b,28g
change prod to mil units!
save RB for bribes... taxes to 70% (17t/8b=136???)
1600 9b,49g,Greeks Neut
surrounding Barbs, neglecting Greeks (ask tribute?)
1550 18b,72g,Greeks Neut
NEC sz 2 (15t/10b=150)
change taxes back to sci (7t/24b=168)
1500 42b,80g, Greeks Neut
6t/24b=144 - KeyCiv changes???
Barb Ldr+Arch moving W toward Greeks
1450 66b,88g,Greeks Neut
RB 2Sh in SRV, WPl
Greek Settler moved E, 2nd Barb Arch killed...
1400 90b,88g, Greeks Neut
6t/26b=156 (this is driving me nuts!)
killed lone Arch, surrounding Arch+Ldr
Barb attacked fortified Arch, lost, Ldr moving E
1350 116b,97g, Greeks Neut
SRV sz 3
captured BarbLdr! 150g
start mine Wine
(time to make some Caravans!)
RB 2Sh in SSC, 3Sh in MRV, 1Sh in SRV, 8Sh in NRV, WPl
Mysticism; 11th tech: Literacy (6t/26b=156)
1300 0b,206g, Greeks Neut
RB 7Sh in MRV, NRV, NEC, 5Sh in SRV
1250 26b, 157g, Greeks Neut
NRV sz 3
WPl Gems Car, MRV Copper Car
RB 7Sh in NRV, NEC
1200 52b, 134g, Greeks Neut
Settler in SRV
SSC Bead Car
RB 4Sh in WPl, 7Sh in NEC, MRV, 6Sh in NRV
1150 78b, 91g, Greeks Neut
NRV Dye Car
RB 7Sh in NEC for Trireme, 4Sh in WPl, 3Sh in SSC
Barbs attacking Sparta
1100 104b, 71g, Greeks Uncoop
give Greeks Myst, Horse to Cordial, no map
first Trireme!
RB 4Sh in WPl, SRV, MRV, 3Sh in SSC
1050 130b, 51g, Greeks Recep
NEC sz 3
RB 3Sh in SSC, 4Sh in NRV, WPl
Literacy; 12th tech: Republic (7t/26b=182)
1000 0b, 40g, Greeks Recep
WPl sz 3
RB 4Sh in MRV, SRV, 2Sh in NEC
=======================
1000BC STRATEGIC REVIEW
got 0b, 28g, 6 cities/5 size 3, 1 size 2
2 settlers, 5 phalanx, 5 archers, 2 horse, 1 chariot, 1 trireme, 1 diplomat, 4 caravans
Greeks Receptive, Peace, No Embassy (Top5: Amer3,Greek3,INDIAN3-whew!!)
inc 12g sci 26b(*7t=182) 14 techs (4 white +Trade, Lit)
tech going ok (no huts!): Cur:Map:Tra:Mys:Lit
"Greek Wall": Archer-Chariot-Archer, cannot use hills around Sparta
plan "Great Greek Road" for caravans to Athens
Warrior exploring SPole eastward; sending Horse westward
no Wonder starts yet?
late start on caravans due to Barb outbreak
Decision: Caravans for MPE or trade with Greeks? both
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[ElephantU]

975 26b, 31g, Greeks Recep
WPl Cloth car, start Temple
RB 4Sh in NRV
950 52b, 34g, Greeks Neut
Copper in SSC, start Library
wine mine done for MRV
RB 4Sh in MRV, 2Sh in NEC
Greeks want Monarchy for Iron - HAH!
925 78b, 33g, Greeks Neut
900 104b, 44g, Greeks Neut
Silver in MRV
Silver, Gems, Cloth, Beads to MRV for MarcoPolo!!!
875 130b, 55g
MarcoPolo:
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Supreme/Spotless/14tech
====================
Jap Rec 3cities 5techs CerBur
Vik Icy 3 7 Mas
Amer Neut 2 9 Trade
Greek Neut 2 9 Curr
*Ind Icy 1 8 Maps
================================
give Indians Map, Horse, Write, Wheel, Trade for Peace, Worship, map
gave Japs Wheel, Myst, CerBur for Peace, Enthus, map
gave Vikings Maps, Write, Wheel, Trade for Peace, Cordial, map
gave Amer Myst, Trade, Write, Lit, Map for Peace, Worship, map
(had to keep going to get Map...)
gave Greeks Lit, Curr, Trade to Cordial, no map
(next choice: Monarchy or Writing: no way!)
====================
Jap Enthus 8techs
Vik Cordial 11
Amer Enthus 13
Greek Cordial 12
Ind Enthus 13
====================
tech now 6t/26b=156
Republic: 13th tech: Philosophy (8t/23b=192)
850 0b, 64g
NRV disorder, Ent & switch to finish Settler
gave Recep Greeks Republic, Enthus, map!
gave Republic to rest, all Enthus
Amer overthrow
825 26b, 74g, Greeks Cordial, refuse tribute
7t/25b=175
Settler in NEC
Temple in WPl
Hut (24,78): Horse (NONE)
Amer Republic
800 52b, 81g, Greeks Recept
Settler in NRV; start Temple
disorder in MRV, Ent
RB 3Sh in WPl, 6Sh in SRV
=================
POST-MARCOPOLO STRATEGIC REVIEW
=================
All civs are close and small, 2-3 cities (Indian 1!)
With tech gifting their research is going to be VERY slow.
Greeks on my continent, 2 cities (could do 1 more).
I don't trust Greeks as far as I can throw an elephant.
No one else has started a single Wonder yet, despite having
Maps, Pottery, and some I gave (Lit, Trade, Myst).
They seem to be fighting amongst themselves on BigCont
using Warriors, Horse, Phalanx, Archer.
My wall across Greek peninsula cannot go on hills/mtns without
angering Sparta.
Athens is better trade spot anyway. (KILL SPARTA?)
I've only got 6 cities, which is OK for preventing unrest due to
sprawl but does not cover continent well.
I desperately need more settlers doing roads, irr & mine.
SSC and WC(MRV) doing well, rest too small.
Need faster city growth - Pyramids? WLTCD?
Need hapiness improvements first - MC, Temples, Colosseums?
Good sites not adjacent, could "shoe-horn" some.
Need a "Great Road" to Greeks for trade, & ships to BigCont.
Beachhead city on BigCont: river valley W of Tenoch +/o 4
special W of Kaupang?
Washington & Kyoto furthest from SSC, both good trade land.
DECISION: CHANGE TO FAST WAR STRATEGY? not yet
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Vik overthrow
775 77b, 70g, Greeks Recep
Dye in SRV
RB 3Sh in WPl
Jap overthrow
Vik Republic
Vikings get Iron from Indians, give Lit
750 102b,70g, Greeks Cord
FIRST Copper to Athens (3,Dy/Cop/Hd) 115g/b via ship, +4T
RB Lib in SSC, Temp in MRV, 4Sh in SRV, 3Sh in WPl
Jap Republic
Philosophy; freebie: Polytheism; 15th tech: Monotheism (6t/38b=228)
725 38b?,108g, Greeks Recep
gave Indians Philosophy (still 6t)
700 76b,116g, Greeks Recep
Settler in WPl
RB 4Sh MRV, SRV
675 114b, 108g, Greeks Recep
RB 4Sh in MRV, WPl
Vik get Philos from Ind
650 152b, 100g, Greeks Neut
RB 4Sh in MRV, SRV, WPl
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Japs Rep, war with Vik, Ind; res Mas
Vik Rep, war with Jap, allied with Ind; res Mas
Amer Rep, peace; res Monar
Greeks Desp, peace; res Phil
Ind Des, war Jap, allied Vik; res Seafar
===================================
gave Greeks Philos to Cordial
625 190b, 84g, Greeks Cord
RB 4Sh MRV, WPl
Monotheism; 16th tech: Banking (7t/38b=268)
600 0b,75g, Greeks Cord
Temple in NRV
Athens now Hides,Wine,Silk
RB 4Sh in SRV, WPl
trade Japs Philos for Masonry (7t)
trade Amer Philos for Pottery (9t/38b=342)
try to gift Ind, want Poly or Monarchy
575 38b, 66g, Greeks Cord
Temple in NEC; start another Trireme
Copper in MRV
Hut (73,71): Math (sigh)
550 76b, 73g, Greeks Recep
Gems in WPl
Copper to Sparta (3,Dy/Cop/Hd) 92g/b, +3T (8t/40b=320)
RB 4Sh in MRV, 2Sh in NRV, 6Sh in NEC
Japs get Alph for Horse, peace with Vik
Japs get Curr for Mas, peace with Ind
525 208b, 150g, Greeks Cord
MRV sz 4
Hides in SRV
Dye to Athens (4,Dy/(Cop)/Hd) 112g/b +4T (7t/48b=336)
RB 4Sh in MRV, 6Sh in NRV, NEC, 3Sh in WPl
Amer discover Monarchy
Banking; 20th tech: Construction (over Seafar, Astron, Univ?) (11t/50b=550)
500 50b,232g, Greeks Cord
SSC sz 5
RB 3Sh in MRV,WPl, 6Sh in NRV, NEC, 7Sh in NWC
gave Ind Monarchy (vs Poly)
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Supreme/Spotless/22tech
Jap Rep 13tech 4cities Enthus Math
Vik Rep 16 3 Cord Mas
Amer Rep 18 2 Enthus -
Greek Desp 14 2 Cord Poly
Ind Desp 19 1 Enthus Seafar
offer Greeks, want Math or Poly...
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Indians overthrow
475 100b, 193g, Greeks Cord
Mktplc in SSC; start Bank
RB 6Sh in NRV, 3Sh in WPl
Vik get Monarch fr Ind
Ind Monarchy
450 150b,189g, Greeks Cord
Settler in MRV
425 200b,204g, Greeks Recep
Dye in NRV
RB 4Sh in MRV
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TRADE CITIES:
Athens now Hides,Wine,Gems
Sparta now Hides, Silver, Wine
Tenoch Dye, Copper, Silk
Kyoto Dye, Silver, Beads
Wash Copper, Hides, Wine
=======================
Greeks discover Poly
Barbs surround Kyoto
400 250b,211g, Greeks Recep
Beads in WPl
RB 4Sh in MRV, 5Sh in NRV, 7Sh in NEC
give India Math, Bank (10t/50b=500)
375 300b,192g, Greeks Neut
sending 2nd Tri to rehome in NWC
RB 4Sh in MRV, 6Sh in NRV, 3Sh in WPl, 7Sh in NEC, NWC
gave Greeks Pott to Recept
350 350b,149g, Greeks Recep
Copper to Tenoch (3,Dy/Cop/Silk) 256g/b +3T
Tenoch now Silk (Cop) Silv...?
RB 4Sh in MRV, 6Sh in NRV, 3Sh in WPl, 7Sh in NEC, NWC
RB 12Sh for Temple in SRV
Japs get Monar for Mas with Vik
Construction; 21st tech: Engineering (11t/50b=550)
325 50b,337g, Greeks Neut
Temple in SRV
Greeks want Monarchy or Construction
Indians want Poly or Construction
RB 6Sh in NRV, NWC, 3Sh in WPl
300 100b,320g, Greeks Neut
Settler in NEC
Copper in MRV
RB 6Sh in SRV
275 150b,321g, Greeks Neut
Silver in NRV
RB 4Sh in MRV, 7Sh in NEC, 6Sh in SRV
Vik get Bank from Ind
250 200b,299g, Greeks Neut
Settlers in NWC
Cloth in WPl
RB 4Sh in MRV, 6Sh in NRV, SRV, NEC
225 249b,267g, Greeks Neut
NRV sz 4
RB 4Sh in MRV, 6Sh in NRV,SRV, NEC, 3Sh in WPl & 8Sh in NWC
Japs dev Math
200 298b,210g, Greeks Neut
RB 4Sh in MRV, 6Sh in NRV, NEC, 3Sh in WPl, 8Sh in NWC
Vik dev Feudalism!
Greek Elephant visits front!
175 346b, 175g, Greeks Uncoop
Hides in SRV
RB 6Sh in NRV, 3Sh in WPl, 8Sh in NWC
give Greeks Constr (vs Math) for Recept
Hut (58,44): 25g (phew!)
Kaupang-6 wants Dye, Wine, Silk
(after exchanging maps, click on AI city shows garrison!)
150 394b, 166g, Greeks Neut
Hides in NEC, Silver in MRV
RB 4Sh in SRV, 8Sh in NWC
Americans start Great Library!
Greeks offer Iron for Math (yeah sure...)
125 446b?, 156g, Greeks Neut
SSC sz 6, NWC sz 2 (10t/52b=520)
Wool in NRV
SSC finishes Bank; start Colosseum
Tenoch now Dye/(Cop)/Silk...
give Constr to Vik for Recept
RB 5Sh in SRV, NEC, 7Sh in NWC
share maps with Jap, Amer, Ind (all still Enthus)
looks like Ind has a ship
Japs still wont pop hut to NW?
100 498b, 135g, Greeks
Dye in NWC, Oil in WPl
======================
TRADE CITIES:
Sparta2 wants Dye(Cop)Hid
Athens4 wants (Dye)CopHid
Tenoch3 wants Dye(Cop)Silk
Kaupang5 wants DyeWinSilk
Wash6 wants CopHidWine
=====================
8 caravans to MRV for MikesChap!
RB 5Sh in NRV, SRV, NEC
Amer dev Seafar
Engineering; 22nd tech: Invention (11t/52b=572)
75 30b?,119g, Greeks Neut
MICHELANGELOS CHAPEL!
Dye to Kaupang (5,Dy/Win/Silk): 381g/b, +4T
RB 5Sh in NRV, SRV, NEC, 3Sh in WPl, 7Sh in NWC
50 410b,464g, Greeks Neut
RB 4Sh in MRV, 5Sh in NRV,NEC, 3Sh in WPl, 7Sh in NWC
Ready for Republic? REVOLUTION!
25 410b?,412g,Greeks Uncoop
REPUBLIC! 10%T40%S50%L for WLTCD!
13t/47b=611
give Greeks Math to Neut
Dye to Tenoch (3,Dy(Cop)Silk): 336g/b
RB??? (losing track here...)
holding Hides for Wash...
Invention; 23rd tech: Democracy (13t/48b=624)
1 48b?,674g, Greeks
Hides in NEC, Dye in SRV
WLTCD: NEC,WPl,SRV,NRV,MRV,SSC
Hides to Wash (6,Cop,Hid,Win): 368g/b +6
======================
TRADE CITIES:
Wash now Wine/Silver/Hides
NY now Dye/Cop/Wine
Kaupang now Silk/Wine/Silv
Tenoch now Silk/Cop/Silv
Sparta now Dye/(Cop)/Hid
Athens now (Dye)/Cop/Hid
Kyoto now Dye/Silv/Bead
======================
Supreme/Spotless/25techs
Jap Rep 4cities 15tech Feud Enthus
Vik Rep 3 21 Bridge Recept
Amer Rep 3 19 Mas Enthus
Greek Desp 2 18 Mas Neut
Ind Monar 1 21 Seaf Enthus
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1AD STRATEGIC REVIEW:
got 400?b, 1000g, 7 cities from 6 to 2
7 settlers, 4 ph,5arch,4horse,1char,2 triremes, 1 diplomat, 5 caravans
got peace, maps from all civs
60%lux for WLTCD, 40%sci 47b*13t=611, 25 techs (13 white!)
faster tech: RephiT:MT:Masot:Mth:Ban:Cst:Eng:Inv
Americans started Great Library in 150BC, thats it?
not many Barbs - concentrating on BigCont?
other civs have $$, not using, not building cities
why do the Greeks stay in Despotism?
should have roaded & irrigated more around cities before Republic!
using gold fast to RB city improvements...
SSC has 44 trade now, 3 routes +6+6+5
should move Palace from SSC (MRV?) when others build Ironclads!
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[ElephantU]

What's the secret of cut&paste posting here to preserve columns? I used tabs, which disappeared, and editing to insert spaces does not seem to work...

Has anyone investigated the changing Supplies and Demands of foreign cities? There may be a pattern there, like OEDO years...

Also wish I had a way to pop up the number of beakers I've accumulated so far...

 

[Xin Yu]

Based on the description I would choose pyramids, and I'll let the archer come back to the city and disband it. This way I can squeeze a settler before the city reaches size 2. This can be accomplished before turn 10, and another settler is on the way. By about turn 15 I would have put down my 2nd city and have another settler produced. I'll rehome the settler to my 2nd city and keep the first city as a settler building powerhouse. Every 5 turns it is going to get me a settler, so by turn 40 I'll have 7 cities at least (or I can add some settlers to the 2nd city for a size-5 strategy.