GOTM scoring

[DrSpike]

I'm intrigued, does the modified score reward early conquest enough to offset milking the standard score? Who fares best, conquerors or landers?

 

[Lucky]

It depends on the map. But the scoring formula is made this way to be able to achieve highscores with both playing styles.

You should simply look at previous results, download the GOTM.xls file and see for yourself. You´ll notice that in the last GOTMs there were several early conquests withing the top 3.

 

[Matrix]

Note that the current formula is active since the GOTM IX. Results before that one do not reflect the effect of the current formula.

 

[GaryNemo]

Matrix et al,

Playing Gotm16 Emperor, I'm really loving the "Revolution Rule of 4" (even though I'm being clobbered by Smash at 1AD!).

www.civfanatics.com/civ2sscsgs.shtml
Also see: www.civfanatics.com/civ2scrolls.shtml

680 AD, start the Revolution: turn=134 = 33*4+2.
700 AD, Xerxes proclaimed Consul of new Persian Republic!

Two questions:
In the Excel download, Date-Turn sheet, I read Turn 180 is Emperor 1300 AD. Right? If so, it's a problem because the game is incrementing 20 years per turn, but the spreadsheet column is figuring 10 years/turn. So, perhaps the scoring formula is off, that there are not 470 max turns in an Emperor game... (I have old CIV2.EXE 8 Oct 1996).

And, suppose the last city to be captured has a wonder. Do that wonder's points add to my score, by your standard reckoning?

No hurry, no complaint, just trying to help...

 

[Lucky]

First question:

Nope, you are looking in the wrong column!
Emperor/Deity is 420turns max.
King is 470turns max.
Prince is 520
Warlord/Chieftain is 570.

So for Emperor turn 180 would be 1550AD.

Second:

Your final score used for the calculation will be taken from the final score sheet shown to you AFTER you win the game (either conquest or SS). So when you take the last city (or better Matrix takes the last city for you) you will get those points, unless the city gets destroyed, of course.
The only reason to send BEFORE taking the last city, is that saves from after that are corrupted and cannot be used for score calculation.

 

[GaryNemo]

Thank you, Lucky. You seem to always be around here...

Those columns makes sense, and I've updated my sheet with the column headings.

I know about saving before capturing the final city, but it's a good point to always make. So we do get that score.

Of course, all of those revolutions are destructive to my science, so I'm planning to capture Toledo with a Diplomat. I got the Diplo when I purchased Valencia from the Barbs, and it had 2 Archers and this Diplomat! An amazing find!

For a native German, your English is certainly excellent! I've noticed my European friends love to learn American idioms, and you seem to love them, too.

I sent two of my daughters to Germany for a year when they were 13; they seem to speak it well. Another daughter lived in Austria for a year. They love laughing about each other's dialects. My wife lived a year in Switzerland when she was 13, so my daughters LOVE her SwitzeDeutch accent. My son is foolishly following my example, knowing nothing. Aber, ich spreche kranke Deutsch! And he is learning Spanish.

By the way, what is USC?

 

[Lucky]

Thanks! I spent a year in America when I was in 6th grade, visiting a middle-school in Madison, WI. And I´m also rather gifted for learning different languages, never had much problems in school. And of course I´ve been visiting other parts of America now and then.
Additionally to communicating here on the fora, I almost only read books in English, so my written English stays polished all the way.

Concerning USC, well, something private, an abbreviation. Part of my great imagination and fantasy. Nothing more I want to say .....

Concerning the Diplo ... .
Interesting indeed. Didn´t know that barbs also build diplos, are you sure about that?
Doesn´t really matter though.

 

[Matrix]

Emm... I like Lucky. No need to ever visit this forum anymore. (j/k)

In any case, I always end the game myself; then check the score. So the points of that last city (possible wonders, but also population) will be taken into account as well.

 

[TimTheEnchanter]

Originally posted by Lucky
[BConcerning the Diplo ... .
Interesting indeed. Didn´t know that barbs also build diplos, are you sure about that?
Doesn´t really matter though.
[/B]

The Barbarian Leaders are actually just Dips with Horns on their heads.

 

[Lucky]

I know that, but I wasn´t sure whether the barbs keep their leader when capturing a city!
Thanks anyway.

 

[noughmaster]

I'm intrigued, does the modified score reward early conquest enough to offset milking the standard score? Who fares best, conquerors or landers?

It definitely depends on the map size. On a small map, it's possible to get a GOTM score of > 300 with an early conquest, say b4 500AD.
You can get a GOTM score > 300 if you farm and build a spaceship, however it's a lot of work and hard bec. the number of turns will probably be only 420.
There is a period in the middle of the game (eg. 500AD - 1500AD) when the GOTM often drops a little. You can increase it after this as long as your ordinary civ score grows by at least 2% per turn.
Thus, a GOTM score of 200 at 1500AD can be increased to 300 by, say 1900AD, with lots of engineers intensively farming and luxuries of 30 - 40%.
I'd definitely rather go for the early conquest, but this is very difficult on a large map.
Read Smash's small map strategy in his reply to my comments in the GOTM15 results thread.

 

[willemvanoranje]

Originally posted by GaryNemo

I sent two of my daughters to Germany for a year when they were 13; they seem to speak it well. Another daughter lived in Austria for a year. They love laughing about each other's dialects. My wife lived a year in Switzerland when she was 13, so my daughters LOVE her SwitzeDeutch accent. My son is foolishly following my example, knowing nothing. Aber, ich spreche kranke Deutsch! And he is learning Spanish.

Well, I hope you sent them to southern-Germany. I have both Dutch and German nationality, and you wouldn't hear a difference between a native speaker and me. My German isn't Hochdeutsch though....it's Schwaebisch A southern-German dialect, spoken around the city of Stuttgart and south and east of it. I love it. Austrian sounds great too though.