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[PTW] GOTM173 Carthage Regent - Spoilers

Discussion in 'Civ3 - Game of the Month' started by Più Freddo, Jan 17, 2019.

  1. Più Freddo

    Più Freddo From space, earth is blue

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    Industrial Times or Game Submitted

    Spoilers are allowed covering the game up until reaching Industrial Time or having submitted the game. The results of getting and trading bonus technologies at this stage are a permissible topic as well.

    No spoiler information from after fulfilling the spoiler requirement is allowed!
     
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  2. Captain_Jack

    Captain_Jack Chieftain Supporter

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    What follows is Caesar’s account of the war between Carthage and Rome. No Carthaginian sources exist as Hannibal’s destruction was swift and complete.

    Commentāriī dē Bellō Punicorum

    I, Gaius Julius Caesar, give this account of the Punic War for posterity and the benefit of the Roman Senate.

    In 2,900 B.C. Roman warriors escorting a settler were accosted by barbarians on the outskirts of Rome. They defeated the Barbarians, but were severely weakened. This attack was witnessed by Carthaginian warriors. These craven reprobates opportunistically descended upon our wounded warrior, slew him and enslaved our settler. The two warriors then encroached on Rome itself, but were held at bay by our archers. The senate paid 25 gold pieces for peace, but the stage was set for war.

    Word of this outrage agitated the populus and the Roman Senate soon passed a resolution to chastise the Carthaginians and secure vengeance. I, Caesar, was authorized to assemble legions III and IV and engage the enemy.

    The following facts were established:
    1) Carthage was settled by the western river and is led by Hannibal. The Carthaginians are the only other advanced civilization sharing our continent.
    2) The Carthaginians are not scientifically advanced. Just prior to their attack we traded them knowledge of Ceremonial Burial, Bronze working, and 10 gold for their mastery of Masonry. They had little else to offer.
    3) They possess no iron and their Numidian mercenaries are fierce defenders but disinterested attackers.


    By the time our response was readied Rome was well supplied with iron swordsmen. Our expeditionary force set forth; disciplined, hardened, eager to avenge our state. Carthage, on the other hand, had no offensive military units, their forces were imbalanced, and they were compelled to garrison their military.


    950 A.D. we came upon Leptis Magi defended by a Numidian Mercenary. it fell to the first wave of attackers. These Numidians were in no way a match for our Legionary elites. Utica was encountered next and in 800 AD it was sacked. our troops besieged Carthage next and it fell in two seasons:

    the once proud Hannibal sued for peace. His settlers had finally found gold on a northwestern promontory and his people were allowed to live on in this small settlement. We demanded, and got, his entire treasury of 10 gold and his knowledge of Philosophy.


    Carthage existed as a minor kingdom for decades after that, paying tribute and fealty to Rome. By 1,000 A.D. the Carthaginians occupied only two cities, but then it became inconvenient to share our continent with them. Authorized by the Senate to exact final payment I sent in our remaining Legionary forces to eliminate them entirely. The final assault ended in 250 A.D. with the humiliation of Hannibal and the subjugation of his people.


    <And so ended the realm of Hannibal, a dismal failure by any standard. He was greedy, overconfident, and poorly prepared. He earned the defeat he suffered, and the outcome reflects as poorly on Carthage as it does well on Rome.

    In his captivity Hannibal said he learned the following lessons:
    1: Numidian Mercenaries are no match for the iron tipped swords of a legionnaire.
    2: A sneak attack should not be initiated without overwhelming force.
    3: Carthage was hamstrung from the beginning, stuck on a jungle-ridden island with no iron and no horses. The beautiful valleys of Rome were a far superior location to found a civilization.
    4: Hannibal admitted he acted rashly, without planning and strategic sensibility.>
     
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  3. jshelr

    jshelr Chieftain

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    Just wanted to say thanks for setting up the game.

    Carthage moved to a central location, built a ring of cities around the capital at all locations "5", mowed down the Romans who were squeezed into the north end, and then ran away with tech and units on this lower level. Also cleared out Egypt and shortly will overrun China with cavs vs their horsemen. Three techs left before the industrial era. Decided to avoid all the work of completing the game. But enjoyed it while it was interesting.
     
  4. Più Freddo

    Più Freddo From space, earth is blue

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    Middle Ages

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  5. Più Freddo

    Più Freddo From space, earth is blue

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  6. Lanzelot

    Lanzelot Moderator Moderator

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    @Captain Jack: I really loved your humorous write-up... :thumbsup:
    (The only slight flaw being that in the "real world" the Punian Wars were some 200 years before the time of Caesar, weren't they? Who was the guy who kept repeating "Carthago esse delendam"? The older Cato, I think?!)
     
  7. Captain_Jack

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    But sadly the outcome was the same.
     
  8. CKS

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    This was a nice game to relax with after struggling with the Sid game. (I still haven't made progress on the Aztec game.) I played nicely with the Romans for most of the game, but took several cities by culture flips. I took most of China and Arabia when they declared on me, and this gave me enough territory to sustain 4 turn research though the modern age.

    Turn 0 – worker E to BG, settler NE to BG by river, so I can do a ring at 3
    1 – road, settle Carthage, start on pottery since only Arabia has it, building warrior X2
    First warrior explores to east, passes hut by as worker is at risk
    2nd warrior starts north, returns to town as hut pops barbs
    Kill barb, see red borders
    Learn pottery, start writing, switch build to granary
    3250 Meet Rome Trade masonry for a worker and 10 g
    Granary to warriorX2
    2nd hut gives worker
    settler goes 2 E
    2470 settle Utica, everybody building wealth at the moment.
    2070 settle Leptis Magna 2W.
    1950 learn writing, start lit, finish mapping starting island
    1650 Build Theveste 2 S
    1625 Build Hippo to NE, between cow and incense
    1450 Build Leptis Minor NE, next to wines, disperse barb camp
    1425 Learn Lit, change builds to libraries, start MM
    Finish road to Rome, trade luxes for Warrior Code
    900 First galley out.
    875 Meet Egypt, trade Alphabet for BW, world map, some gold
    850 Trade writing for CB, the wheel. Trade cb plus map for IW.
    Lose galley going N from Egypt
    390 Meet China, whose borders I've seen for ages.
    Learn republic – revolt, 6 turn anarchy, I don't reroll
    350 trade MM to China for Myst, HBR, maps and gold
    270 now a republic
    150 Meet Arabia, trade them Col for maps and 159 g
    90 Build town on Egyptian island
    300 AD Meet Greeks, buy all contacts, gift Greece into MA – they get Feudalism.
    530 AD Chinese declare, taking town. Astronomy learned
    Gradually build up military, eventually head to China, start taking cities
    Arabia declares, war goes nowhere
    Celts declare, take far away town.
    Finish off China, go back to war with Arabia
    1450 Make peace with Arabs for 2 of their last 5 towns
    1705 Getting close to the end. Romans, with their 2 cities after numerous culture flips to me, decide to march a bunch of MI into my territory. I tell them to get out and they declare. 2 turns later the Romans are gone.
    1766 Launch

    I realized I'm not sure if the spoiler is through the end of the game if it goes past the industrial age, but there isn't any spoiling information in here, so I'll not worry about it.
     
  9. Captain_Jack

    Captain_Jack Chieftain Supporter

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    Nice work.
    I have often seen people gift another civilization into a later age. Is there a strategic reason to do this?
     
  10. templar_x

    templar_x usually walks his talks

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    yes, there is. so the free tech from a scientific civ is available for trade, now or in a few turns - and you know which one will be there and you will *not* have to research yourself.
    t_x
     
  11. Captain_Jack

    Captain_Jack Chieftain Supporter

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    Thanks. There are so many subtleties to the game.
     
  12. Più Freddo

    Più Freddo From space, earth is blue

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    I need to reformulate that text. Since we're in final spoiler mode, all spoilers are welcome. I think the idea was that reaching the Industrial Age would be enough and that any spoilers at this stage would come too late to influence the game significantly. All is free to read and write.
     

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