GOTM79 , Spoiler

[URUWASHI]

4000- 3500- Madrid built at 45.13....Wariors Scouting
Techs - Bronze Works and Ceremonial Burial

2950=Seville Built at 48.18, Huts gave Alphabet and Currency

2500= Expanding - Scout Wariors also Going NE, Code of laws, 2 Cities and 2 Settlers


2250 - Cordoba( 50.14 ) and Toledo ( 42.22 ) .Populatiom 60.000


2200- Warriors find expected Huts at NE -None Horseman- Monarchy -4 Cities ,all buidling settlers

1950- No changes, huts visible at 70.20

1900- Huts = None Chariot , Encounter Celts at 65.21, Polytheism and Pottery

1400 - Taking a diffferent Path.....will stop growing my Civ...It obvious Purple is missing , how to bring it back ?? Horse Back , Polytheism , Warrior Code, have to take a different approach ......

1000- Build Valencia at 66.16 to be near the Celts , plan is simple ....move units near Kells ( 63.17) ,Celts will ask for units to be relocated , to the closest city ..then units will be then ask to ask to move .. Valencia . , since they are on Celt teritory...Valencia will Pile up several Elephants without moving any units thru Mountains
Mantain an enthusiatic approach with Celts .....but do not give them any WAR techs
Goal is for Celts to have more Cities . Population and Rank higher than me...
I will Build Settlers and inflate cities between ,Celts and my territory.....then , In time I will go to war and let them take my cities...

500-Valencia 66.16 is Built across from Cardiff.
( thanks to a Hut nearby )..so far I have 6 Elephant units, Im ranked 1rst in all departments...will shrink my population , by building more settlers.
Salamanca Build as a BAIT at 54.24, Currency , Iron works and Mysticism discovered , sharing all Techs , with Celts ...( except any techs that involve War technology ...)

400 - Scouting trireme locates an Island 68.6,Perfect location for a Science City, 3 tiles away fom many places on main land, 4 cities can be build in the mainland suppling Caravans , now PURPLE is imperative, Building Marco is a MUST, balancing growth , checking on demographics , have to give Celts the edge on Population, Rating and GMP, Game plan is defined....
To do this , I have to make sure that they have a higher ranking than me....
French are Catching up....they show even with me .....this may mess allup...

275- Starved one if my cities , so my popuation and Celts are even..., so are French ....Inflated Salamanca to " 5 ", I have 5 cities Madrid. ( 4) ,Seville ( 3 ) , Toledo ( 4 ), Valencia ( 3 ) and Salamanca( 5 ) = 18
Celts have 4 cities , total population= 10
Valencia has 8 Elephants and 3 Triremes , ready to attack Cardiff when the time comes....
Celts conquer the English ...could this be an issue ??, is another city on their Favor...french are head ro head ....population wise...
Marco Polo Build- Demanded Tribute from all Civs =600+

1 AD - Build Barcelona and inflated it to size 5 with Settlers, my Population is 17, Celts 12 ,will let them take Salamanca and Barcelona ...then their population will exceed mine

20 AD - Celts take Salamanca , my Population = 17, their is 14........hope they take Barcelona , size 5 ,thats the JOKER in the game , will leave the city without defenders.... that will change the numbers IF they yake Barcelona ( 53.19) then ..and MY game will start ...., I still rank 1rst...in the top 3 ...

180 AD - Finnaly!! Celts take Barcelona, now they rank first all over!!! YES....next turn ..have no time to waist ....a turn may be critical , is the first time that Celts , lead all cathegories on Demographics ....one turn later and I would be doom.......
3 Triremes sail from Valencia across the lake ....HERE we come CELTS!!
Celts are ranked 1rst on approval , ranking and GNP ....this is MY Chance ......

200 AD- Elephants Destroy Celt Capital....and.AFTER THE DUST SETTLES !!!!!! YES !! YES!!
Welcome PURPLE !!
Sioux are in the game with 3 cities, Barcelona , Salamanca , and York
Celts 4 cities
French 4 cities
Americans 4 Cities
Babylonians 3 cities
Where is Orange ??
20 Techs......will start exchanging Techs with other Civs
My settlers , that have been Idle , will build a City on 68.6 ( Science City )

Time to take a break

 

[URUWASHI]

The strangest part is that Orange did not reappears , was this a Re-start game ??
Unfortunatly , I dont save every turn , and my logs are based on saves.
I would like to know at what point the Celts take London...but Im not certain.
I will look at my saves and try to figure why was not re-starts
Missing Orange will have any effect on the research of techs later ??
After my Science City is fully functional and Techs are coming every other turn ,does not seem to be an Issue.
My point was about re-starts, dont want to destroy any civs.......
Could it be that Celts take London on the previous turn ?? , then they surpass me on every cathegory , THEN after I conquer them , shuld be only 6 civs ??
The only difference this has made was that I send units to protect London ( PURPLE ) , since Celts destroy the other two....from Barbarian attacks...and attacks from Celts, just in case was no re-strats.
Anyhow its a fun game , I should be starting my SS soon .

16??- Democracy-Discoveries 2 turns

Mongols 2 cities , French 2 , Babilonians 3 ( just conquered Babylon ), Americans 4 , Celts 1.

Destroyers approaching USA-

 

[grigor]

Bravo Uruwashi! The joy of Civ2 is the ability to create an objective and then make it happen - Peaster will probably land in 450AD for the green star, but for the pleasure of the game you are the king!

 

[URUWASHI]

Thanks Grigor....But I feel more like a peon than a King.
Civ II is probably one of the most fascinating games ever created.
The beauty is that none of us will ever master it on a whole.
To do it we have to do it on our own and also as a team.
Wonder if the real world could ever be like that.....
After the creation of CIV II over a decade ago , we still find new ways to accomplish the end goal.
I will never be on the same level as Peaster, Elephant , Lafayette, Oedo and many other players all over the world....If I have to rank myself , I will say that I can play on the NBA as the back up guy , but I will be just another player, that makes the game better.... but IF I can to add a grain of input to the game and make it better, its is great.
I remember the night that Michael Jordan scored 69 points and a rookie scored 1 point , after the game he said ...." YES it was nice to score 70 points between Michael and me "...
Thats the way I feel ...

 

[Merlin_Pilgrim]

I played it just for fun and ended in 1361.

After about 800 AD I had 1 to 2 adv. per turn (even without purple ). I just figured out that playing Civ 2.42 is so much easier than the Gold Edition - so I learned something in the end

 

[Magic_gorter]

Nice game Merlin Pilgrim,

I find this an hard one because the terrain is difficult (lots of hills and plains).
I'm close to 1000AD and the techs are still not coming very quick. Don't know if it will change to the end of the game. But landing before 1400 is probably to difficult this time. The biggest problem I had in the beginnen till know was finding the right citysites.

 

[URUWASHI]

1361 is awesome Merlin Congratulations.
I am just a bit older and very stagnant ...
I have 4 rules..
A) Do not lose any miltary units..or as little as I can ...In fact hate losing any units...
B) Have all 28 wonders regardless of the paramters of the game
c) PLay the game in Democracy ...its is tough...but Ilike the challange..
D) Land a massive 40,000 SS
I know you dont get any extra points by achiving A , or C... but thats the way I allways play the game
I dont know if its any easy on Gold edition or Civ 2.42..In fact I have no idea what I have been playing on the last 10 years.!!!!..
I do play the game because I love it just like you....
I dont care about green stars, or blue stars....I am happy to play CIV II!
Im happy to be part of a fascinating Game and enjoy it and see guys like you and Peaster..and Elephant.. etc ...going for the Medals.
Like I post it before ...........Iam glad to be part of the NBA

 

[Merlin_Pilgrim]

Uuups - thanks, Uruwashi.
As I said, I just played for fun and didn't think it to be a very good result.
Anyhow. It looks like, we are playing in a similar way.
1.) I hate loosing units as well
2.) Of course I had all the wonders.
3.) I didn't play demo all the way through. I find it easier to go for demo asap, rb SoL and change to Fundy for 20 turns or so until I got 2 or 3 trade routes and market places in the most important cities. After that I change to Demo as well.
4.) I landed a massive one.
The score was a bit poor anyway. My civ hasn't been that big - about 68 Mio and 57 cities. But also only 45 military units

What I did was building SSC on (34,4)3 and delivered any caravan to that city. That gave a much better bonus than delivering on demand on the continent.

Most of the time I rushbuilded Caravans apart form some dips here and there and some infrastructure in rich cities. Twice I lost a city to barbs which I took back the next turn. The second time it gave me 8 NON-Partisans

It was a lot of fun and I enjoyed it once again. Thanks a lot to the GOTM-Team!!!

 

[Shadondriel]

I haven't played Civ2 almost for 5 years. Really went down on this one.
Barbarians attacked my coastal cities every 3 turns, all AIs sneak attacked me and in the end I only got techs every 15 turns...
I then decided to turn on cheat mode and destroy the world rather than to play on

 

[Magic_gorter]

turn 1: 4000BC 1
turn 2: 3950BC ->Alphabet
turn 3: 3900BC -
turn 4: 3850BC -
turn 5: 3800BC -
turn 6: 3750BC Alphabet->Writing
turn 7: 3700BC -
turn 8: 3650BC -
turn 9: 3600BC -
turn 10:3550BC -
turn 11:3500BC -
turn 12:3450BC -
turn 13:3400BC -
turn 14:3350BC first settler
turn 15:3300BC Writing->Map Making
turn 16:3250BC 2
turn 17:3200BC -
turn 18:3150BC -
turn 19:3100BC -
turn 20:3050BC -
turn 21:3000BC -
turn 22:2950BC -
turn 23:2900BC -
turn 24:2850BC Map Making->Code of Laws
turn 25:2800BC -
turn 26:2750BC -
turn 27:2700BC 3
turn 28:2650BC -
turn 29:2600BC -
turn 30:2550BC -
turn 31:2500BC Code of Laws->Literacy
turn 32:2450BC 4
turn 33:2400BC -
turn 34:2350BC -
turn 35:2300BC -
turn 36:2250BC -
turn 37:2200BC -
turn 38:2150BC Literacy->Republic
turn 39:2100BC -
turn 40:2050BC -
turn 41:2000BC 5

Status at -2000
Population: 0,05M; Cities: 5; Trade routes: 0D0F; Government: Depotism
Money: 11 gold; Cost per turn: 0; Total advances: 6; Production: 10MT; 0 polluted tiles
Wonders: -
Units: 1 settlers

turn 42:1950BC -
turn 43:1900BC -
turn 44:1850BC Republic->Currency / REPUBLIC
turn 45:1800BC 6
turn 46:1750BC -
turn 47:1700BC -
turn 48:1650BC Currency->Trade
turn 49:1600BC -
turn 50:1550BC 7
turn 51:1500BC Trade->Banking
turn 52:1450BC >0,1M
turn 53:1400BC -
turn 54:1350BC hut->50g / 8
turn 55:1300BC Banking->Pottery
turn 56:1250BC -
turn 57:1200Bc -
turn 58:1150BC 9
turn 59:1100BC Pottery->Seafaring / hut->nomads
turn 60:1050BC 10+11
turn 61:1000BC 12

Status at -1000
Population: 0,14M; Cities: 12; Trade routes: 0D0F; Government: Republic
Money: 8 gold; Cost per turn: 0; Total advances: 11 Production: 29MT; 0 polluted tiles
Wonders: -
Units: 2 settlers

 

[Magic_gorter]

Above the first part of my log. The rest will follow as soon as I have finished my log. This game was harder to play then usual. Finding good city spots cost me lots of turns to get to space. I also choose the SSC-site wrong. I should have placed it on an other island instead at the big island. However the game learned me a lot for future games.

 

[Magic_gorter]

turn 62: 975BC Seafaring->Masonry
turn 63: 950BC >0,2M
turn 64: 925BC -
turn 65: 900BC -
turn 66: 875BC Masonry->Construction
turn 67: 850BC -
turn 68: 825BC 13
turn 69: 800BC -
turn 70: 775BC Construction->Mathematics
turn 71: 750BC -
turn 72: 725BC -
turn 73: 700BC -
turn 74: 675BC Mathematics->Ceremonial Burial
turn 75: 650BC -
turn 76: 625BC met Celts->Ceremonial Burial, Warrior Code, Polytheism and Mysticism->Philosophy / Marco Polo build / hut->horseback Riding
turn 77: 600BC >0,3M
turn 78: 575BC 14
turn 79: 550BC >0,4M / 15
turn 80: 525BC 16
turn 81: 500BC 17
turn 82: 475BC Philosophy->Monotheism->Medicine / >0,5M / 18
turn 83: 450BC -
turn 84: 425BC -
turn 85: 400BC >0,6M / 19
turn 86: 375BC -
turn 87: 350BC >0,7M
turn 88: 325BC -
turn 89: 300BC >0,8M / 20
turn 90: 275BC -
turn 91: 250BC -
turn 92: 225BC >0,9M
turn 93: 200BC Medicine->Astronomy
turn 94: 175BC -
turn 95: 150BC -
turn 96: 125BC >1M / 21
turn 97: 100BC -
turn 98: 75BC 22+23
turn 99: 50BC Michelangelo's Chapel build

Status at -0050
Population: 1,21M; Cities: 23; Trade routes: ?; Government: Republic
Money: 40 gold; Cost per turn: 0; Total advances: 23 Production: 63MT; 0 polluted tiles
Wonders: Marco Polo, Michelangelo's Chapel
Units: 6 settlers, 1 archer, 1 trireme
Celts, Cordial, Peace, 331 gold, 3 cities
Babylonians, Enthusiastic, Peace, 334 gold, 3 cities
French, Cordial, Peace, 226 gold, 3 cities
Americans, Enthusiastic, Peace, 365 gold, 5 cities
English, Cordial, Peace, 236 gold, 2 cities

 

[Magic_gorter]

turn 100: 25BC -
turn 101: 1AD -
turn 102: 20AD 24
turn 103: 40AD Astronomy->University
turn 104: 60AD -
turn 105: 80AD The Wheel(trade)
turn 106: 100AD -
turn 107: 120AD -
turn 108: 140AD 25
turn 109: 160AD -
turn 110: 180AD -
turn 111: 200AD 26
turn 112: 220AD University->Engineering
turn 113: 240AD -
turn 114: 260AD -
turn 115: 280AD 27
turn 116: 300AD Colossus build in 1 / 28
turn 117: 320AD 29
turn 118: 340AD -
turn 119: 360AD Engineering->Sanitation
turn 120: 380AD 30
turn 121: 400AD >2M / 31
turn 122: 420AD 32 / Iron Working (trade)
turn 123: 440AD Copernicus build
turn 124: 460AD 33
turn 125: 480AD Sanitation->Bridge Building / 34+35
turn 126: 500AD 36
turn 127: 520AD 37
turn 128: 540AD 38
turn 129: 560AD Bridge Building->Theory of Gravity
turn 130: 580AD -
turn 131: 600AD 39
turn 132: 620AD Shakespeare build
turn 133: 640AD Theory of Gravity->Invention
turn 134: 660AD -
turn 135: 680AD -
turn 136: 700AD >3M / 40
turn 137: 720AD -
turn 138: 740AD Invention->Democracy
turn 139: 760AD 41
turn 140: 780AD >4M /42
turn 141: 800AD Isaac Newton build / Democracy->Economics / Navigation(trade)
turn 142: 820AD 43
turn 143: 840AD Pyramids build / Economics->Chemistry
turn 144: 860AD DEMOCRACY
turn 145: 880AD 44+45+46
turn 146: 900AD >5M
turn 147: 920AD Chemistry->Physics
turn 148: 940AD bribed 47 (Monarchy)
turn 149: 960AD 48+49 / alliance with celts
turn 150: 980AD Physics->Steam Engine / 50
turn 151:1000AD bribed 51

Status at +1000
Population: 5,95M; Cities: 50; Trade routes: ?; Government: Democracy
Money: 742 gold; Cost per turn: 32; Total advances: 38 Production: 154MT; 0 polluted tiles
Wonders: Pyramids, Colossus, Marco Polo, Michelangelo's Chapel, Copernicus Observatory,Shakespeare Theatre and Isaac Newton's College
Units: 13 settlers, 2 warriors, 1 chariot, 1 crusader, 1 trireme, 2 diplomat, 6 caravan
Celts, Worshipful, Allied, 493 gold, 3 cities
Babylonians, Enthusiastic, Peace, 268 gold, 3 cities
French, Enthusiastic, Peace, 232 gold, 4 cities
Americans, Receptive, Peace, 407 gold, 4 cities
English, Enraged, War, 193 gold, 2 cities

 

[Magic_gorter]

turn 152:1010AD Steam Engine->Gunpowder / >6M
turn 153:1020AD -
turn 154:1030AD Leonardo's build
turn 155:1040AD Gunpowder->Magnetism
turn 156:1050AD 52+53
turn 157:1060AD -
turn 158:1070AD Magnetism->Explosives / >7M
turn 159:1080AD -
turn 160:1090AD 54+55
turn 161:1100AD Explosives->Railroad / 56
turn 162:1110AD 57+58
turn 163:1120AD Railroad->Metallurgy / 59
turn 164:1130AD Adam Smith's Trading Co. build / >8M / 60+61
turn 165:1140AD 62+63+64
turn 166:1150AD Metallurgy->Industrialization / 65+66
turn 167:1160AD 67
turn 168:1170AD Industrialization->The Corporation / 68
turn 169:1180AD Corporation->Electricity / >9M / 69
turn 170:1190AD -
turn 171:1200AD 70
turn 172:1210AD -
turn 173:1220AD Electricity->Refrigeration / >10M / bribed 71 (Sun Tzu+Feudalism) / 72
turn 174:1230AD Darwin's Voyage build / Refrigeration->Refining->Electronics / 73+74
turn 175:1240AD -
turn 176:1250AD Electronics->Chivalry
turn 177:1260AD bribed 25 (Great Library)
turn 178:1270AD >11M
turn 179:1280AD Chivalry->Leadership / 75+76
turn 180:1290AD >12M / 77
turn 181:1300AD Leadership->Steel / captured 78 / 79
turn 182:1310AD >13M / 80 / bribed 81 / 82
turn 183:1320AD Steel->Conscription
turn 184:1330AD >14M / 83+84 / bribed 85 / 86
turn 185:1340AD Conscription->Combustion / 87
turn 186:1350AD -
turn 187:1360AD 88+89+90
turn 188:1370AD Combustion->Tactics / >15M / 91
turn 189:1380AD 92
turn 190:1390AD Tactics->Automobile
turn 191:1400AD >16M / 93
turn 192:1410AD Automobile->Mass Production / 94
turn 193:1420AD Hooverdam build
turn 194:1430AD Mass Production->Atomic Theory / >17M
turn 195:1440AD 95
turn 196:1450AD Atomic Theory->Machine Tools / >18M
turn 197:1460AD >19M
turn 198:1470AD Machine Tools->Flight
turn 199:1480AD Flight->Miniaturization / 96
turn 200:1490AD >20M
turn 201:1500AD Miniaturization->Computers / 97+98
turn 202:1505AD >21M / bribed 99 (Statue of Liberty) / 100+101+102
turn 203:1510AD Computers->Radio / >22M / 103
turn 204:1515AD SETI Program build / 104 / captured 105
turn 205:1520AD Radio->Nuclear Fission

Status at +1520
Population: 22,6M; Cities: 104; Trade routes: ?; Government: Democracy
Money: 830 gold; Cost per turn: 152; Total advances: 65 Production: 437MT; 0 polluted tiles
Wonders: Pyramids, Colossus, Great Library, Sun Tzu, Marco Polo, Michelangelo's Chapel, Copernicus Observatory,Shakespeare Theatre, Leonardo's, Isaac Newton's College, Adam Smith's, Darwin Voyage, Statue of Liberty, Hoover Dam, SETI Program
Units: 10 settlers, 5 riflemen, 1 crusader, 2 cavalry, 1 transport, 9 diplomat, 21 freight
Celts, Neutral, Allied, 658 gold, 3 cities
Babylonians, Receptive, Peace, 963 gold, 3 cities
Persians, Enthusiastic, Peace, 0 gold, 0 cities

 

[Magic_gorter]

turn 206:1525AD Nuclear Fission->Nuclear Power / >23M
turn 207:1530AD 106
turn 208:1535AD Nuclear Power->The Laser
turn 209:1540AD >24M
turn 210:1545AD The Laser->Advanced Flight
turn 211:1550AD Advanced Flight->Rocketry
turn 212:1555AD Rocketry->Recycling / >25M
turn 213:1560AD Capture Nineveh
turn 214:1565AD Recycling->Space Flight / >26M /107
turn 215:1570AD Space Flight->Plastics
turn 216:1575AD >27M / 108
turn 217:1580AD Plastics->Superconductor
turn 218:1585AD York bribed
turn 219:1590AD Superconductor->Theology / >28M
turn 220:1595AD Theology->Fusion Power
turn 221:1600AD Fusion Power->FT1 / >29M / 109
turn 222:1605AD >30M
turn 223:1610AD FT1->Genetic Engineering
turn 224:1615AD J.S. Bach's Cathedral build / Genetic Engineering->FT2 / >31M
turn 225:1620AD -
turn 226:1625AD FT2->FT3 / >32M
turn 227:1630AD -
turn 228:1635AD FT3->Amphibious Warfare / >33M
turn 229:1640AD Amphibious Warfare->FT4 / bribed Ur
turn 230:1645AD >34M / bribed Kells
turn 231:1650AD >35M
turn 232:1655AD FT4->FT5
turn 233:1660AD FT5->Communism
turn 234:1665AD >36M
turn 235:1670AD Communism->FT6
turn 236:1675AD >37M
turn 237:1680AD FT6->FT7
turn 238:1685AD Apollo Program build
turn 239:1690AD FT7->Guerrilla Warfare / >38M
turn 240:1995AD -
turn 241:1700AD Guerrilla Warfare->FT8 / >39M
turn 242:1705AD Valladolid
turn 243:1710AD -
turn 244:1715AD >40M
turn 245:1720AD -
turn 246:1725AD captured Babylon (Woman's Suffrage/Hanging Gardens)
turn 247:1730AD >41M / bribed Ashur
turn 248:1735AD LAUNCH
turn 249:1736AD Cure for Cancer build / FT8->FT9 / >43M
turn 250:1737AD >44M
turn 251:1738AD Magellan's Expedition build / >45M
turn 252:1739AD United Nations build / >47M
turn 253:1740AD Lighthouse and Eiffel Tower build / >48M
turn 254:1741AD King Richard's Crusade build
turn 255:1742AD Great Wall build / >50M
turn 256:1743AD FT9->Espionage / >53M
turn 257:1744AD >56M
turn 258:1745AD >59M
LANDED IN 1746

Status at +1746
Population: 59,41M; Cities: 113; Trade routes: ?; Government: Democracy
Money: 7999 gold; Cost per turn: 897; Total advances: 80+45 ft Production: 681MT; 0 polluted tiles
Wonders: Pyramids, Hanging Gardens, Colossus, Light House, Great Library, Oracle, Great Wall, Sun Tzu, King Richard, Marco Polo, Michelangelo's Chapel, Copernicus Observatory,Magellan's Expedition, Shakespeare Theatre, Leonardo's, J.S. Bach, Isaac Newton's College, Adam Smith's, Darwin Voyage, Statue of Liberty, Eiffel Tower, Women's Suffrage, Hoover Dam, United Nations, Apollo Program, SETI Program and Cure for Cancer
Units: 1 settlers, 12 engineers, 2 phalanx, 2 musketeers, 4 riflemen, 1 horsemen, 1 crusader, 4 dragoons, 3 cavalry, 1 fighter, 2 transport, 6 diplomat, 23 freight
Celts, Receptive, Peace, 734 gold, 1 city
Persians, Enthusiastic, Peace, 277 gold, 1 city