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Government: Liberal Democracy

Discussion in 'Civ3 - Completed Modpacks' started by Black Flag, Sep 8, 2005.

  1. Black Flag

    Black Flag Rise Above

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    With sheer boredom and humor, I created a new government: Liberal Democracy. This government is based on today's American Liberal elite, the far left spectrum of government. I tried to be as politically accurate as possible; and most of the stuff (if you notice) is similar to regular Democracy, with a few settings changed here and there. Below's some of the statistics of this new form of government.

    Government: Liberal Democracy
    -Worker Efficiency: 150%
    -Assimilation Rate: 5%
    -Draft Limit: 0
    -Military Police Limit: 0
    -Corruption/Waste: Problematic* (see below)
    -Hurrying Production: Paid labor
    -War Weariness: None* (see below)
    -Unit support costs: Same as regular Democracy
    -Espionage Statistics:
    -Diplomats are: Veteran* (see below)
    -Spies are: Regular
    -Immune to: Initiate propaganda

    Corruption/Waste Reason: Seeing as today's liberals have some crooked side to them, be it lying like former US President Clinton... or just having some crooked edge to them, I decided to fix Liberal Democracy's corruption as Problematic.

    War Weariness: None. I put it as none because Liberal Democracy should NOT be used as a tool of war, even if the war weariness isn't a factor. I put it as this because Liberals are highly opposed to war in almost all cases, so it would only make sense (to me anyways, I'm sure I'll put it as high in a later version.) to have it as none.

    Diplomats: Veteran because Liberals have always had a way of diplomatically discussing issues and solving them this way. Spies are regular because I'm sure the liberals oppose spying on other countries. ("Violating their rights as an independent nation".) They are also immune to propaganda because they have one part of the regular Democracy.

    Oh yeah, I forgot. The tech needed to access Liberalism/Liberal Democracy is Nationalism. I didn't want to put it in the Middle Ages after Democracy because I didn't think it would suit it.


    INSTRUCTIONS: Of course, first download the file. Unzip it to your conquest's scenario folder, under its separate folder 'Liberalism'. In order to use it, you can either modify the current scenario or import the file. Then, after that enjoy! :D

    Anyways, I'd like to hear your opinion. :goodjob:
     

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  2. strhopper

    strhopper Okie

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    If they oppose all war, war weariness would be high as possible.........maybe I'm wrong...........If you enter a war the liberal population would riot in protest to the war, right? Not sure, how you would define war wearniss makes the difference
     
  3. Black Flag

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    Yeah, i'll fix that here soon enough..
     
  4. Inspector Javert

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    Gotta love insulting liberals don't you :).
     
  5. Spacer One

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    Im a liberal, just not that far left...

    War weariness should only be an issue if you start the war, as even Liberals believe in standing up for yourself when attacked...but Im not sure you can translate that into Civ mechanics...
     
  6. LMR

    LMR Back In Green!

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    Actually, that does happen:

    "The more time you spend at war, the more likely your citizens eventually get tired of it. The most iportant factors in causing war weariness are stationing your troops in a rival's territory, enemies having troops in your territory, declaring war, and engaging in battle. Having a rival declare war on you actually decreases war weariness, perhaps because it relieves the prewar uncertainty and tension."

    That is a passage from the Civ3 Instruction Manual. hope it helps :)
     
  7. elfangor801

    elfangor801 So cold....

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    This is the wrong section for this....
     
  8. EuropeanFury

    EuropeanFury Tired Grumpy Warrior

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    No its not, it doesnt have a map(I think?) and it just MODifies the game a little bit.
     
  9. WildWeazel

    WildWeazel -- Turns to Completion

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    That depends on how far left you go... :rolleyes:

    Anyway, this is really more of a mod than a scenario. But it's a fuzzy line, so it should be ok here.
     
  10. Spacer One

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    :lol: point taken
     
  11. KrikkitTwo

    KrikkitTwo Immortal

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    Well to make it a somewhat balanced Government, I'd make the Diplomats Elite (since if WW is High basically you have normal Democracy +Diplomat skill, -Corruption, so the corruption should be high...and you can explain that as extensive poorly managed social spending, since Actual corruption is equally common in all elites. (and common men as well, but the elites have larger amounts involved)
     
  12. Plotinus

    Plotinus Philosopher Administrator

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    Exactly, so it should be in the Mods forum, not the Scenarios one.

    I like the fact that he accuses liberals of being "crooked", cites Clinton, and then runs out of examples! Also, no way are US liberals on the "far left" of the spectrum of government by any normal standards. They are only moderately left-wing if at all.
     
  13. strhopper

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    I think he made this just to start a political debate..............got a feelin this is going to get bad eventually..............there is no war wearniss when you are attacked
     
  14. Padma

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    Moderator Action: Moved to Modpacks. It's a tough call, but it strikes me as more of a "mod" than a "scenario".

    Edit: And if this turns into a political debate, it will be closed and deleted.
     
  15. Fictionles

    Fictionles Chieftain

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    Wouldn't a "liberal democracy" be called a socialist democracy?

    This sounds like a political debate to me.
     
  16. bmcgough

    bmcgough Chieftain

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    Great idea: here are some thoughts...

    War weariness needs to be very high indeed. Corruption should be quite high as well. Diplomats should be quite good since Libs love to 'give away the farm', since other nations are more important than their own.

    You could add some interesting things for this government type:

    City Imp:
    ACLU: upkeep 5 (for wasting public taxpayer money in court costs)
    culture -2 (for influencing the society in a negative way)

    Liberal Education: upkeep 5
    Since libs love to solve problems with money (but more money hasn't shown an improvement in education). However this does not increase science ouput, nor makes anyone happy.

    Welfare State: upkeep 10
    Again, solve everything with money and higher taxes. Welfare is no longer a benefit, or a privilege, but is a _right_ under this type of gov't. Lowers city production since more people can now live off of welfare instead of working for a living.

    UU:
    ACLU Lawyers: 2/2/1 cause -2 morale when stationed in cities.
    Not only are these guys expensive to build and maintain, but they cause morale and economic problems for your society and industry. They beat up your own military, they work hard to make your industry and education less efficient and they love to help illegal aliens infiltrate your nation.

    Ted Kennedy: 0/0/0 - This guy does nothing useful, but does have upkeep - someone has to pay his liquor bill, why not the taxpayers?

    I'm sure there are lots of other possibilities with this...
     
  17. WildWeazel

    WildWeazel -- Turns to Completion

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    That's not possible AFAIK. And I think even the AI would be smart enough not to build those improvements.

    I like the idea of good diplomats. It helps counter the upkeep costs for a military. Maybe spies should be good too, just to help balance things out.
     
  18. Black Flag

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    Thanks for all the comments, guys. No, this wasn't intended for making a political debate either. (I'm Anarcho-Syndicalist, so none of the two-class system debates here.) I'll make the second version here soon, I would today but I have exams tomorrow morning...

    Once again, thanks for your constructive criticisms!
     
  19. WildWeazel

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    Exams on Saturday? :vomit:

    You need some pedia icons to go with the new gov. Any ideas?
     
  20. Inspector Javert

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    Thank God someone else agrees with me, but you'd need to add some positive things IE Kenedy decreses unhappniess (because the woman are afraid he might take them to Chapaiqudick) Although I get the feeling you were making more of a statement than a sugestiong :goodjob:.
     

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