Pellaken
The one and only.
Pellaken's government reform package:
Section A-the economey
There are a number of economic improving buildings. I will first talk about the ones that increase $$$
we should build these buildings only when they are needed and useful for example, say our rate is at 550 (T5-S5-L0) then lets say our city in quesion makes 2 trade a turn. if we build a marketplace, at a cost of 1 {mainanance} then we will have +0 increase in money, for the cost of 1$ meaning, we are now loosing money. a bank costs $3. lets say we are again at 550, and out city has a marketplace and has 4 trade. if we build the bank we will have a total of $5, a $2 increase from the original with just the markeplace. so again, we are loosing money. therefore suggest that we do not build any $$$ improving buildings unless we have equal or more money comeing in. that means that after we build a bank, maretplace, or anyhting that will make us get more money, that we ensure we will make money off of it, not loose money.
I also suggest we use the same calcuations when it comes to luxeries. lets assume our rate is currentley 550. lets also assume we are spending $50 on "happy buildings" to keep the masses content. now, if we set luzeries to 20, we will then have 352. IF this will make us loose $51 in taxes, then this is a bad thing. if, however, this will only cause a loss of $49, then we should do it. I take this same approach on WLPD's. if they will get in more money than we are using to pay the luzeries level, then it should be done. Same goes for cities with 21 pop or more. taxmen and entertainers should be interchanged in the same way, in general. so hencem, Tax and Lux rates are one in the same. as for the Lux/Tax and Science balance, that will have to be decided on our current plans and techonolgical level
Section B-the democracy
This one you may not like, but I will say it anyways. The current state of our democracy is too democratic. we need LESS democracy. MUCH less. We should have an elected council. A Senate, if you will. Any member who wants in should be allowed in. Anyone in the senate can post polls, threads, etc. all non-senators, cannot. senators dont do much else, but only senators can run for office. this will help seperate the "regulars" from non "regulars" I'd also suggest that each minister can do whaytever they think is best. currentley, all they do is post polls. why elect someone, other then for the fact that they can post polls? I mean what is there to run on in elections, other then who you like or dont like. its just a popularity contest, and Thunderfall said himself, he dosent like popularity contests. unless government members get real powers, theier role is a nothing but a joke. It has also become apperant that govoners will be needed. more and more powerful ones. the city planner's job should then therefore be to resulve govoner conflicts, and make new provinces, appoint gov's untill election time, etc. as for Science and Trade, both just reqire some thought. trade for instance can be solved by a sheet of paper and a pencil write dwn each city, what it makes, what it needs, and then connect the dots.
Section C-elections reform
Right now, we have few members, as that number grows, we will run into problems. there was a suggestion to have primaries, but these are, IMHO, stupid. will we place all candaties in one large pot then pits off a few? when things get like this we should have political parties. CMaster claims that this will make things confusing, but I dont see how in the name of the devil he can think that. it will make things easier, sicne only one party member can run for any one office at any one time. this would make things rather easy infact. as for now, before then, we need more members to run. we should have deputies for each department, if need be, by begging. we should post threads in this foum and ask other members to rise to the challenge, and fill open positions.
Sections D-Information reform
We need newer and better ways of getting info to those that need it. I suggest sending the saved game to those that need to make city polls, gov's etc... and sending screenshots to those that need them of areas, and ONLY POSTING A EMPIRE MAP in the game info thread.
Additions:
I say that we should all propose new forms of governments in the event that we start a new game. here is my idea: The Canadian System
We create a game, and create 3 parties to start. People will join at random, or perhaps we will dole out numbers, etc.. the party names will be
Party A
Party 2
Party III
the party names WILL be changed at the party convention, which is held 1 week before the general elections. As the game advances, certain parties will come to stand certain things. for example, lets say that each party has 10 people in it. lets say that 6 people from party A dont like the idea of making many small cities, while 4 do. but in party 2, 6 like small cities, and 4 dont. these 8 members that dont agree with thier party, should then switch parties, so that they ocupy the party that agrees with them. New parties can be created at any time, and "alliances" can be formed between parties. why alliances instead of parties joining togethor? heres why:
at election time, people will not vote for a person, but for a party. at the last party convention, a leader will be chosen. how, is up to the parties constitution. some parties may require 50%+1 and run-off votes. others, may just have 1 vote with the person with the most votes winning. when you go to vote in the election, you then vote for the party. after its over, a house of 10000 members in convened {all invisible, BTW} then the % {eg, 34.62 will = 3462 seats} of the votes recuived will equal seats in this house. The party leader will then vote with those ammount of seats behind him. 50%+1 is all that is needed in order to get anything done. this means that the leader of a party which got 50.01% of the vote or more, is virtual dictator of the nation for a while. there are no term limits. A party's constitution may also prohibit leadership votes if the current leader is the national leader, the Prime Minister. In the event that there are many opposition parties, and the governing party keeps getting elected, your nation can have an effectual one-party state. this will ensure that the opposition parties must work togethor in order to achive anything. Alliances are formed so that the party will run as a single party at election time, but when certain key issues are up, that party will abstain from voting, or vote this or that way. as the real power, that resides in the cabinet. the same cabinet we have today, only without the vice president. Each minister is responsible for thier departement, totally. they need not post any polls, but some are certainley suggested. each opposition party also scelects a "shadow cabinet" that member then shadows the elected minster and ctirizes his actions. the main job of the opposition party is to make the people want to vote for them. only party members can become cabniet members. A member of this game, need not be a party member. they can just go and vote for whoever will do what they want done. At any time, a motion of non-confadince can be called. if 50%+1 of the house votes against the government, then elections are called within 48 hours, enough time to have a quick party convention. all members of all parties will be pubically knowen. If members of a party votes differentley than his leader, his vote will be counted as so. if more then half party members fote agains thier leader, the party is then recoded as voted the way they did, not the way the leader did. All of this is calculated by the Speaker. the Speaker is a non-partisan person who recives these votes, and does not reveal who voted for what. the Speaker is chosen by the Prime Minister and the Leader of the Oppisition {leader of the 2nd most power party in the house} only when the 2 agree is a speaker selected. if they dont agree, the current speaker remains untill they do.
so in short, you go to vote for the leader of the party, who appoints the ministers, who run the nation. Any ministeral decision, however, can be countered by an opposition party which can call for a house vote. simpaly, all party leadrs will PM the speaker with thier vote. if its defeated, the minister then must act as the house wants. he can always not, in which event his decision is made, and done, and carried out. once revealed, however, the government collapses, and an election is called. chances are, the people wont be too happy, and wont vote the party back in.
These are just the basics of my gov. if you are interested, question it, and I'll respond. its just an idea, I am not trying to force it on anyone.
also, Moderators, I know thre may be parts of this message you dont like, but please dont delete or close all of it. these are all suggesitons on how "I" think we can make the system better. no one has to accept them, and I wil not be mad if no one wants to accpet them. they are all part of the package, so please, I beg of you, just leave this thread the way it is. Its full of opinions, not what we need to do. and just a side note, I specifically said, political parties should be made later, not now.
Section A-the economey
There are a number of economic improving buildings. I will first talk about the ones that increase $$$
we should build these buildings only when they are needed and useful for example, say our rate is at 550 (T5-S5-L0) then lets say our city in quesion makes 2 trade a turn. if we build a marketplace, at a cost of 1 {mainanance} then we will have +0 increase in money, for the cost of 1$ meaning, we are now loosing money. a bank costs $3. lets say we are again at 550, and out city has a marketplace and has 4 trade. if we build the bank we will have a total of $5, a $2 increase from the original with just the markeplace. so again, we are loosing money. therefore suggest that we do not build any $$$ improving buildings unless we have equal or more money comeing in. that means that after we build a bank, maretplace, or anyhting that will make us get more money, that we ensure we will make money off of it, not loose money.
I also suggest we use the same calcuations when it comes to luxeries. lets assume our rate is currentley 550. lets also assume we are spending $50 on "happy buildings" to keep the masses content. now, if we set luzeries to 20, we will then have 352. IF this will make us loose $51 in taxes, then this is a bad thing. if, however, this will only cause a loss of $49, then we should do it. I take this same approach on WLPD's. if they will get in more money than we are using to pay the luzeries level, then it should be done. Same goes for cities with 21 pop or more. taxmen and entertainers should be interchanged in the same way, in general. so hencem, Tax and Lux rates are one in the same. as for the Lux/Tax and Science balance, that will have to be decided on our current plans and techonolgical level
Section B-the democracy
This one you may not like, but I will say it anyways. The current state of our democracy is too democratic. we need LESS democracy. MUCH less. We should have an elected council. A Senate, if you will. Any member who wants in should be allowed in. Anyone in the senate can post polls, threads, etc. all non-senators, cannot. senators dont do much else, but only senators can run for office. this will help seperate the "regulars" from non "regulars" I'd also suggest that each minister can do whaytever they think is best. currentley, all they do is post polls. why elect someone, other then for the fact that they can post polls? I mean what is there to run on in elections, other then who you like or dont like. its just a popularity contest, and Thunderfall said himself, he dosent like popularity contests. unless government members get real powers, theier role is a nothing but a joke. It has also become apperant that govoners will be needed. more and more powerful ones. the city planner's job should then therefore be to resulve govoner conflicts, and make new provinces, appoint gov's untill election time, etc. as for Science and Trade, both just reqire some thought. trade for instance can be solved by a sheet of paper and a pencil write dwn each city, what it makes, what it needs, and then connect the dots.
Section C-elections reform
Right now, we have few members, as that number grows, we will run into problems. there was a suggestion to have primaries, but these are, IMHO, stupid. will we place all candaties in one large pot then pits off a few? when things get like this we should have political parties. CMaster claims that this will make things confusing, but I dont see how in the name of the devil he can think that. it will make things easier, sicne only one party member can run for any one office at any one time. this would make things rather easy infact. as for now, before then, we need more members to run. we should have deputies for each department, if need be, by begging. we should post threads in this foum and ask other members to rise to the challenge, and fill open positions.
Sections D-Information reform
We need newer and better ways of getting info to those that need it. I suggest sending the saved game to those that need to make city polls, gov's etc... and sending screenshots to those that need them of areas, and ONLY POSTING A EMPIRE MAP in the game info thread.
Additions:
I say that we should all propose new forms of governments in the event that we start a new game. here is my idea: The Canadian System
We create a game, and create 3 parties to start. People will join at random, or perhaps we will dole out numbers, etc.. the party names will be
Party A
Party 2
Party III
the party names WILL be changed at the party convention, which is held 1 week before the general elections. As the game advances, certain parties will come to stand certain things. for example, lets say that each party has 10 people in it. lets say that 6 people from party A dont like the idea of making many small cities, while 4 do. but in party 2, 6 like small cities, and 4 dont. these 8 members that dont agree with thier party, should then switch parties, so that they ocupy the party that agrees with them. New parties can be created at any time, and "alliances" can be formed between parties. why alliances instead of parties joining togethor? heres why:
at election time, people will not vote for a person, but for a party. at the last party convention, a leader will be chosen. how, is up to the parties constitution. some parties may require 50%+1 and run-off votes. others, may just have 1 vote with the person with the most votes winning. when you go to vote in the election, you then vote for the party. after its over, a house of 10000 members in convened {all invisible, BTW} then the % {eg, 34.62 will = 3462 seats} of the votes recuived will equal seats in this house. The party leader will then vote with those ammount of seats behind him. 50%+1 is all that is needed in order to get anything done. this means that the leader of a party which got 50.01% of the vote or more, is virtual dictator of the nation for a while. there are no term limits. A party's constitution may also prohibit leadership votes if the current leader is the national leader, the Prime Minister. In the event that there are many opposition parties, and the governing party keeps getting elected, your nation can have an effectual one-party state. this will ensure that the opposition parties must work togethor in order to achive anything. Alliances are formed so that the party will run as a single party at election time, but when certain key issues are up, that party will abstain from voting, or vote this or that way. as the real power, that resides in the cabinet. the same cabinet we have today, only without the vice president. Each minister is responsible for thier departement, totally. they need not post any polls, but some are certainley suggested. each opposition party also scelects a "shadow cabinet" that member then shadows the elected minster and ctirizes his actions. the main job of the opposition party is to make the people want to vote for them. only party members can become cabniet members. A member of this game, need not be a party member. they can just go and vote for whoever will do what they want done. At any time, a motion of non-confadince can be called. if 50%+1 of the house votes against the government, then elections are called within 48 hours, enough time to have a quick party convention. all members of all parties will be pubically knowen. If members of a party votes differentley than his leader, his vote will be counted as so. if more then half party members fote agains thier leader, the party is then recoded as voted the way they did, not the way the leader did. All of this is calculated by the Speaker. the Speaker is a non-partisan person who recives these votes, and does not reveal who voted for what. the Speaker is chosen by the Prime Minister and the Leader of the Oppisition {leader of the 2nd most power party in the house} only when the 2 agree is a speaker selected. if they dont agree, the current speaker remains untill they do.
so in short, you go to vote for the leader of the party, who appoints the ministers, who run the nation. Any ministeral decision, however, can be countered by an opposition party which can call for a house vote. simpaly, all party leadrs will PM the speaker with thier vote. if its defeated, the minister then must act as the house wants. he can always not, in which event his decision is made, and done, and carried out. once revealed, however, the government collapses, and an election is called. chances are, the people wont be too happy, and wont vote the party back in.
These are just the basics of my gov. if you are interested, question it, and I'll respond. its just an idea, I am not trying to force it on anyone.
also, Moderators, I know thre may be parts of this message you dont like, but please dont delete or close all of it. these are all suggesitons on how "I" think we can make the system better. no one has to accept them, and I wil not be mad if no one wants to accpet them. they are all part of the package, so please, I beg of you, just leave this thread the way it is. Its full of opinions, not what we need to do. and just a side note, I specifically said, political parties should be made later, not now.
