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Governments and Politics III

Discussion in 'Civ5 - Stories & Let's Plays' started by Civleader, Aug 16, 2015.

  1. christos200

    christos200 Never tell me the odds

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    Yang Kang (杨康), male.
     
  2. Civleader

    Civleader King

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    Noted. Welcome all to the game! We should be starting tonight, tomorrow if things don't go as planned. Sign Ups are of course still open!
     
  3. ReEmmeline

    ReEmmeline Chieftain

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    Liu Song, male. I sure hope I can keep up with this.
     
  4. Patchy

    Patchy Emperor

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    Well GaP2 is what got me into cfc in the first place so I'd be remiss not to join. Glad to see this is back Civleader.

    Sun Chih (孫智), male.
     
  5. Exhera

    Exhera Unorthodox Unicorn

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    Zheng Wei Yan , Wei Zheng for short. Male. Zheng is the house name, Wei Yan is the personal name.
    Saw another Wei.

    Tao Zheng. Male.
     
  6. DevilHell

    DevilHell Warlord

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    Han Bo, male (韩波)
     
  7. Razonatair

    Razonatair Chieftain

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    Wu Xin (吴信), male.
     
  8. Gurra09

    Gurra09 Guru of Hekkia

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    Here's some more Chinese character versions of names for people who haven't specified any. Feel free to use them or not use them however you want. :)

    Gui Ho - 媯何 (pinyin: Guī Hé)
    Liu Song - 劉宋 (pinyin: Liú Sòng)
    Sun Chih - 孫智 (pinyin: Sūn Zhì)
    Tao Zheng - 濤鄭 (pinyin: Tāo Zhèng)
     
  9. Civleader

    Civleader King

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    Welcome (and welcome back to some of you ;) )

    It took me a long time to play out all the civilizations until the classical era, but it is finally done. We shall most likely begin tomorrow! Once you receive a PM with your player profile link, you will know: the game has begun!
     
  10. filli_noctus

    filli_noctus Hmmn

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    I'd like to wish good luck to everyone and better luck for me.
     
  11. Tambien

    Tambien Theseus, Duke of Athens

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    It's back, hallelujah!


    House Name: Tán
    Personal Name: Qiáng
     
  12. Jehoshua

    Jehoshua Catholic

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    lucky number thirteen. Looks like we have enough players to make this endeavour nice and interesting presuming adequate participation. I look forward as the defending champion of this franchise, to seeing how the new entrants into this, the third iteration of governments and politics, fare.
     
  13. Warriorman

    Warriorman Chieftain

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    Taozhang Guo, Male
     
  14. Tambien

    Tambien Theseus, Duke of Athens

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    I'll just have to write a bunch of pamphlets again. :p
     
  15. Civleader

    Civleader King

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    Chinese Ancient History

    It all started out with a nomadic the tribe, which wondered the lands until finding the crystalline blue sea…

    Or so the old tale goes. China is a land of proud people, brought together under values of family, solidarity, and tradition. We are free to choose our course. We can forge our own destiny and draw our own lands in the southern desert. We have been a people of hills and rivers, forests and grasslands. Most of all, we have been a people of trade and wealth. We have been curious as well, as many have visited us peoples from far away lands.

    There only stories of old times, stories of leaders who consulted his people and listened to the advice of his elders. Tales and legends of explorers who found the city of Jerusalem, the tribe and land of the Iroquois, and who traveled as far south past the great forests of the south to meet the strange jungles and rumors of mysterious people hidden in the vapory shadows. Stories circulate of great, wondrous buildings, of so-called god-kings and of other beings. Stories of chaos, rebellion, and tyranny have also reached our ears, shocking us with tales never before experienced in our calm cites. These people and their far away homes remain a mystery to us, legends beyond the horizon.

    Since time unmemorable we have loved to trade, barter and bargain. This has been the source of power. Tradesmen built their oligarchies, and cemented their power as they confer and debate what must be done to lead China. One cannot remember a time before tradesmen lead our people (the old chiefs who built Beijing with their hands and craftworks have passed down to myths). Though these wealthy people rule as a powerful force, warriors, landowners, craftsmen, and cultural leaders also try their influence in the palace, as they all vie to shape the ruler’s decision. The consensus has almost always been respected. Almost.

    It was not until the crimson wars that politics began to change. Violent brutes attacked Beijing from many fronts, its most successful attack coming from the north. Our people were captured and taken as slaves. Workers who worked the fields and mined the rocks were taken to the north. Settler projects halted, and our warriors returned to Beijing beaten and bloody, with failure to shame them as they came. It would be years before order was reestablished in the countryside, and it was a combined force of warriors and an expeditionary settler force that defeated these fiends. This was the purpose of Shanghai. Originally thought of as a trade outpost, a place to gain more precious resources, modified to save our people. The expedition was a success, and our people were recovered. It was a long awaited victory.

    Yet it was not enough. Wealth was the original objective. Where could it be taken from now? Our clever leaders though of a plan: with funds from the archives of Beijing, settlements were funded north of Shanghai to settle near some hills bordering the Zulu city of Ulundi. The purpose was clear: extracting the silver rocks from these hills, and bringing back the wealth to China. The plan worked, but not without its consequences. Greed always has consequences.

    Our story with the Zulus really begins after these events. For a long time they remained the city at the edge of the unknown. Now they were direct neighbors, and they were unhappy. A Zulu emissary arrived to Beijing, accompanied by warriors. Their distinctive appearance shocked the city as they walked towards the palace. They were met at the gates with our own emissaries. Their discussion was brief; the disgust on the Zulu’s face was evident. They spoke their message, and with disdain left immediately. They had left our emissaries with our offerings for them in their hands, their faces cold. What the Zulus said is not well known, but the actions were clear: it was a threat.

    Now, a new city has appeared north of Beijing, and as our relations deteriorate, so too do the prospects for peace. Indeed our tale with the Zulus has only yet begun.

    Four wealthy families, owners of trade caravans to Jerusalem, have traditionally controlled Beijing politics. These families are the Zhao (lead by Zhao Jiang Yong), the Kwok (lead by Kwok Ah Bo), the Hou (lead by Hou Yu Yi), and the Wong (lead by Wong Ju Jian, the current lord of China). The lords of Beijing have come from one of these families as they pass the seat of power amongst themselves. Yet the lord always invites the heads of each family, in addition to the other notorious personalities of China (it has always been a General, a recognized artist, craftsmen, landowners) and a champion of the people who has gained entrance through popularity and promises. After conferring with the council, the lord makes his decision.

    I must note a special characteristic of landowners. After the Crimson Wars, these families asserted their power in rural areas by creating militias in their lands to fend off barbarians and any other threat. The four merchant families have also developed their own small security forces to assure work and safety in their mines and in their quarters in Beijing.

    The culture of clan and family, along with the necessity to increase the population’s productivity, paved the way for the creation of a new concept. All Chinese, people born in China from Chinese families would enjoy the same status, and have the same opportunities. They all belong to the clan; they are all Chinese “citizens”. This policy, hesitantly signed off by the lord of Beijing, was also the opportunity for other members of the council to gain equal foothold to the lord. In practice, however, the notion is applied to justice, to differentiate us from foreigners, and to create unity among Chinese. Women enjoy an equal status, and though they have never came close to ruling, they have been influential on their husbands and with the people.

    We have never been strongly spiritual. We only hear of stories and of beliefs in great beings. Our only contact with the un-seeable has been through Jerusalem. Long ago Chinese explorers to Jerusalem were received with gifts and were taught stories of spirits ruling over the desert. This area of the world in fact was, to the Jerusalemites, their home, ruled by the sun. The visions, the way the ground changed shapes, became clear and invisible was only proof of the presence of these spirits. Though the stories amaze us, only a few actually believe this to be true.

    As to the rules of the clan, killing, stealing, rape and treason are punishable with death as has been tradition since times forgotten.

    Now China enters a new age, with incredible knowledge that will change our lives for the rest of time. A new generation will soon come of age in a different and wonderful world. Will China and its people survive the tests of time? Only our children, or their children, or their children's children, will ever know.

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  16. Civleader

    Civleader King

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    T60 (1600 BC)

    Gather round Chinese brothers. We bring news from the lands beyond the horizon. There are stories of a giant statue dedicated to a supreme being, what some call a “god”, that is, an all-powerful being.

    Closer to home the Zulu have built a city bordering Beijing. It is a city in the hills behind the mountain north-west. The city has an unpronounceable name. Fortunately for you I speak a little of their language. It is Umgugundlovu.

    Security Forces have been dismantling suspicious groups in the slums of the lower district, while clearing filthy huts and houses cluttered together at the skirts of the hills. Inhabitants should aid Security Forces in helping their homes and neighborhood. In addition, the lord provides distribution of food to these inhabitants at the southern entrance of the Trade Plaza, for all displaced and impoverished to attend.

    The wise have figured out a strange way to count objects and make all sorts of “calculations.” With this new knowledge, many believe they can improve their trades and increase wealth for the entire city! Some intellectuals even said we were entering a new era. They believe this discovery to be revolutionary.

    Workers have arrived to the salt mines, while our warriors await orders in the northern border of Shanghai. Our lord and his council have some important decisions to make. What shall they decide?

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    Session 1
    T60 (1600 BC)

    In-game Issues:
    What shall we research?
    What Social Policy shall we decide?
    What shall we produce in Beijing?
    What shall our warriors do?
    What shall our workers do?

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    Session 1 Turn 1 has begun

    OOC: You will now receive your player profiles. You will start with a background (see next to your name). This is so you have something to start off. You may take advantage of it, or ignore it as you wish. Do not think I have forgotten the Action Details (which will be posted tomorrow I promise!) and the City Map (I found something interesting that may replace simple drawings). Other then that, enjoy :D
     
  17. Jehoshua

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    ooc: could you put up the chart with how much it costs to buy things with gold if time allows?

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    Public Speech

    To illustrate virtue, to renovate and make whole the people, and to abide in the highest state of excellence that their might be harmony amongst all under heaven. That is the goal of the ruler, and of the people, and yet despite knowing the ends we remain far from this blessed state with discord and disharmony abiding deep within the people of the land. How then to proceed unto this point at which we desire to rest?

    I say it is thus... The point at which we desire to rest being known, we may attain a calm unperturbedness from which succeeds tranquillity, in which there may be careful deliberation of the very ends we desire. Things have their root and branches both, their foundation and their finial, affairs have their beginnings and their ends each in their allotted time and place. To know that which is first, and that which is last will lead to that state of excellence we desire, as everything proceeds in its proper order.

    Wishing to regulate their states the sages first regulated their families. Wishing to do this they first cultivated their persons, for which they rectified their hearts, for which they sought to be sincere in their thoughts, for which they extended their knowledge. Such extension of knowledge resides in the investigation of things as they are, not as we may wish them to be. The sages investigations being complete, their knowledge became extended, their thoughts became sincere, their hearts became rectified, their persons cultivated, their families well regulated, and their states well regulated and harmonious. Hence it is the cultivation of the spirit and the person that is at the root of everything, without which harmony amongst ourselves is impossible.

    When the root is neglected therefore, how can we expect what should spring forth from it to flourish and be well ordered? It has never been the case that what is of great importance has been lightly cared for, and, at the same time, that what is of slight importance has been greatly cared for. How much more then should China's people cultivate their virtue, that we may abide in the highest place of excellence, than we should cultivate wealth. What use is wealth if it serves not to make society harmonious and well maintained?

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    I would propose then that it is very necessary for our capital, Beijing to construct a shrine. Here might the investigation of first things, the self, matters and the spirit be facilitated that by this same cultivation and likewise the veneration of the ancestors of the people and those sages who established the foundations of our society be practiced and investigated that the knowledge of the people may be extended towards that desired end of excellence and harmony under heaven. Upon the completion of this shrine, it would then be appropriate for our noble Lord in Beijing to ordain the construction of a paper maker, that the scholars might have materials to preserve their teachings and spread knowledge to the people.

    Additionally in my opinion it would be proper for the well ordering of the state, that the worst vices might be checked our system of laws to at the appropriate time be codified (legalism). Furthermore we would advise the researching of bronze working, prior to studying the stars (calendar) since the defence of nation and country is the foremost of the states duties, as a father protects his family with his whole being in a family that is well regulated according to the constitution of human nature.

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  18. Civleader

    Civleader King

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    @Jehoshua: Ah yes, I will post that tomorrow. In the mean time, is that something you can approximate on a website?

    Final note/clarification: You will notice that there are ??? in your player stats. This is because you may decide to move out of home and buy a house somewhere else. You do not have any money, however, so you may want to get a job and obtain money somehow (tip: use the connections your family may have). You may choose to stay in your parent's house (where you will pay nothing).
     
  19. Razonatair

    Razonatair Chieftain

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    All out of character;

    How exactly are we supposed to use family connections to find a job? After reading the rules it still seems very dense and hard to decipher. Without currency, don't businesses not exist, and therefore jobs do not exist?

    At the same time, why would anyone listen to an illiterate making a public speech, let alone take into consideration their stances?
     
  20. Jehoshua

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    ooc: Afraid not Civleader since it varies per-locale. Also barter exists and it is not established that people are illiterate iirc, not that illiteracy is a bar to influence via public demagoguery as the history of peasant rebellions attests.
     

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