Governments and Politics

swimandciv said:
Letter to the High Priest and King

I do not wish to overstep my bounds your holiness and your majesty, but I desire to submit an idea to your attentions. We have recently seen the dangers of Liberalism. Perhaps it is now time for the church to hold an Inquisition to eliminate the widespread heresy that Liberalism has brought about. It would not attempt to eliminate the positive aspects of Liberalism, but instead try to eliminate the violent subversion and heresy which has become so characteristic of that philosophy. We must purify Persia before we can hope to expand our religion to the world.
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OOC: if it is a private letter to the King and High Priest it should have been made as a PM. I would now consider it public knowledge for all to respond to. I would respond to it but I have quite a bit of information to work through before I respond to anything. I go to work and the world blows up.
 
An inquisition is quite simply unnecesary. Although liberal tendencies exists, only a minute portion of the Persian populations holds to the fullness of the heresy. Such an inquisition would be an unnecessary burden on the population when the Church could best focus on purification through less judicial means.

Although of course it will be up to High Priest to determine such a thing and request the Kings assistance in such a case. On the matter of a High Priest.

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ANNOUNCEMENT FROM THE CONCLAVE

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People of Persia, I announce to you tidings of great joy: We have a High Priest!
The most emminent and reverend lord, Lord Saro II Artaparsi-Sayeh, Hierarch of the Holy Mazdaean Church.

Do you accept this position which the conclave of the Holy Mazdaean Church, by the inspiration of Mazda has been given unto you?
 
I would like to point out in regards to Tambien and Defoesrigthboots assertions that I got messages from Tambien warning me of a planned assasination attempt against my family. This was very recent and is hardly discountable as the folly of youth (although of course there is no provision for youth in law save for any discretion the judge may hold)

I think that this evidence, the dialogue tambien gave to me in addition to the evidence the King brought forward indicates that not only something was going on, but also that Tambien was a part of it and attempting to misdirect my attention elsewhere while he (or rather his assasins) had designs against myself and my family. The words of these conspirators as such, in lieu of all this evidence is hardly trustworthy in this consideration, and indeed it is not beyond the imagination that if the organisation became defunct, discussions for subversive acts cold of continued in a more confidential setting, both amongst each other but also including a larger group of conspirators.

As such I would suggest that the sum total of the evidence is considered by the prosecution in this case. Especially in consideration that they clearly involve the same persons who are currently accused.
 
OOC: thing is, due caution means I have to assume the worst, especially since I have no way of knowing if you are telling the truth. If you are guilty you would say you were not anyways... Now of course if the GaP courts determine your innocence all is good, but until then... well... lets just say precedent encourages a somewhat paranoid perspective on this case.

oh and SmugKitteh, you need to establish a jury. (at least two people) to investigate the case and make a judgement. (if they both disagree then you get final judgement). Preferably said people will be as neutral as possible with as little personal stake in the case as possible (so not me).
 
ooc: If you are indeed innocent it would indeed be amusing, but life itself is amusing ;),

Either way, one assumes the worst in such cases and so IC I will be doing that unless I get some evidence corroborating your version of events OR until you are found innocent. If that happens then I will happily resume co-operation with you as per normal (including ratifying a currently stalled deal with your publishing thing)
 
As the owner of the Persepolis Periodical it is my duty do get to the bottom of this accusation of assassination by the Crimson Order or The Collective whichever it is. I have pulled most of my investigators and put them on the case. Any information that they dig up will be forwarded to the King and Ministry of Law for review.

They will be requesting interviews with Darius Tambien Chgrogers, Ledley Defoesrightboot, Vahid, Jehandir Artaparsi, and Cirrus Tambien Chgrogers as they all have connections to the accusations.

They will also be investigating the deaths as they were considered natural causes initially and no physical evidence has presented about the deaths.
 
Assasination AND treason I believe it is.

Either way it is good for you to investigate the case. I will happily conduct an interview with the periodical to express my views excluding the possibility that the ministry of law, or the King of Kings calls for a media blackout on the case.
 
The families who would be most neutral in this dispute are the House Knight and the House Radaki, all others seem to be friends and/or allies with the victims or the accused (or bboth in the case of house Doteiti).
 
I don't wish to revel the jury in till more proof from my investigation or from other sources surfaces, so their is no chance for bribery and promises to occur in till right before the trial.
 
SmugKitteh said:
I don't wish to revel the jury in till more proof from my investigation or from other sources surfaces, so their is no chance for bribery and promises to occur in till right before the trial.
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I would hope that our government is stable enough that there are no Promises or Bribery occurs. I will provide the information from my investigation as soon as possible.
 
swimandciv said:
I may have found a piece of evidence that interests the case.

Quote:
Sep 02, 2011 06:38 PMTambien
Could you delete this group, please?
http://forums.civfanatics.com/group.php?groupid=594

Oct 09, 2011 11:34 AMTambien
Please delete this group:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/group.php?groupid=629

These messages were found sent to a specialist in the elimination of signs of a group (ooc: a moderator's visitor messages). It appears that Tambien may have been trying to hide evidence of the case.
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OOC: I don't if link are allowed as evidence and if there was any evidence from those links they are gone now as they have been removed from the site.
 
swimandciv said:
I may have found a piece of evidence that interests the case.

Quote:
Sep 02, 2011 06:38 PMTambien
Could you delete this group, please?
http://forums.civfanatics.com/group.php?groupid=594

Oct 09, 2011 11:34 AMTambien
Please delete this group:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/group.php?groupid=629

These messages were found sent to a specialist in the elimination of signs of a group (ooc: a moderator's visitor messages). It appears that Tambien may have been trying to hide evidence of the case.
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OOC: Oh contraire, senor. Those messages were edited out after I invited people to look at the group. When no one accepted my invitation I re-sent the messages.

chgrogers said:
OOC: I don't if link are allowed as evidence and if there was any evidence from those links they are gone now as they have been removed from the site.
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OOC: :agree: Furthermore, OOC messages (and ones outside this thread and its environs at that) can't be used as evidence in an IC court case. I could reveal my whole plan OOC, but it couldn't be used as evidence. It would give the authorities clues on what to investigate, and those results could be used. In other words, OOC comments cannot be used in trials.
 
OOC - Indeed, as Jehoshua has ably demonstrated previously in this game!

I'm not sure what those messages would prove anyway, other than that Tambien has clearly decided that whatever that group once stood for, it was no longer wanted or appropriate.
 
swimandciv said:
I may have found a piece of evidence that interests the case.

Quote:
Sep 02, 2011 06:38 PMTambien
Could you delete this group, please?
http://forums.civfanatics.com/group.php?groupid=594

Oct 09, 2011 11:34 AMTambien
Please delete this group:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/group.php?groupid=629

These messages were found sent to a specialist in the elimination of signs of a group (ooc: a moderator's visitor messages). It appears that Tambien may have been trying to hide evidence of the case.
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After some careful analysis of the groups that you claim that Darius Tambien he was a part of and left.

OOC: Sept 2 was during Session 10.

My brother was 2 years old and our mother died from just 1 year earlier. As such he would have been incapable to even attempting to develop plans of a subversive group or assassinate anyone.

As to the other group, I glanced at the evidence provided and it seems to already to be destroyed or never to have existed. Other evidence of this groups existence needs to be produced.
 
It turns out that I had a little too much wine last night. I felt like I was in another world called out of character which seemed to have some subtle clues. Please ignore any crazy things I may have said in my stupor.
 
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