Lord AJ
The Quartermaster
Hey Lanzelot, I know this isn't the right place to ask this but what are Lord Emmsworth deals? I know it's the name of a player. I tried a search but didn't find anything related to a strategy for culture wins.
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Unfortunately the screenshots are gone. But even in the writeup you should get the idea... The interesting stuff starts at post #11. In 1100BC he was already receiving more than 4000 gpt from the AI (on Chieftain...!)
In 710BC his income is 20000 gpt, 630BC: 64000 gpt, ... and finally in 170BC he is making 590000 gpt. (In words: more than half a million gold per turn!!)
Unfortunately the screenshots are gone. But even in the writeup you should get the idea... The interesting stuff starts at post #11. In 1100BC he was already receiving more than 4000 gpt from the AI (on Chieftain...!)
In 710BC his income is 20000 gpt, 630BC: 64000 gpt, ... and finally in 170BC he is making 590000 gpt. (In words: more than half a million gold per turn!!)
Lord AJ
The Quartermaster
Whoa!!!
It'll take me a while to digest those numbers. INGENIOUS is the best I can come up with to complement the technique. Although this has been banned (Rightly so) it still is a great trick. Thanks for pointing it out.
It'll take me a while to digest those numbers. INGENIOUS is the best I can come up with to complement the technique. Although this has been banned (Rightly so) it still is a great trick. Thanks for pointing it out.
Arjav Jain
The CIVVER
Even I didn't know it
Great guide! A few bits I'm confused about, though:
1. "Military"
In Republic, are non-military units (whatever they are) counted first towards your 1/3/4 per town/city/metro limit, leaving any excess as military (charging unit support)? Or is the counter "kind" enough to do it the other way?
Example: let's say I have total "free" support of 50 from my settlements. I have 40 military units and 20 workers. That's 10 "too many" in all. These 10 slots could be "occupied" by military units, so I pay 20 GPT. Or they could be "occupied" by Workers, so I pay nothing.
2. Democracy
There's no mention of GPT per unit over the cap, as there is for Republic: so does that mean that the unit support (over the limit, which is 0/0/0 in Demo) in Democracy goes back down (relative to Republic) to 1 GPT?
3. Workers
I think that these always (except, possibly, under Republic, see above) count as units, both towards the support limits (x/y/z), and to be charged at 1-3GPT if they're over the limit: am I right?
And do foreign (slave) workers count as units needing support?
thanks!
1. "Military"
What counts as "Military"? My guess is that it's anything with a non-zero Atttack/Defend (or Bombard) number. So that would mean that transport ships (Galleons, Transports etc) would also count as "military", since they do have a modest A/D number. So that would leave only Workers and Settlers (and possibly Scouts or Explorers, if you have them) as "non-chargeable" units?
In Republic, are non-military units (whatever they are) counted first towards your 1/3/4 per town/city/metro limit, leaving any excess as military (charging unit support)? Or is the counter "kind" enough to do it the other way?
Example: let's say I have total "free" support of 50 from my settlements. I have 40 military units and 20 workers. That's 10 "too many" in all. These 10 slots could be "occupied" by military units, so I pay 20 GPT. Or they could be "occupied" by Workers, so I pay nothing.
2. Democracy
There's no mention of GPT per unit over the cap, as there is for Republic: so does that mean that the unit support (over the limit, which is 0/0/0 in Demo) in Democracy goes back down (relative to Republic) to 1 GPT?
3. Workers
I think that these always (except, possibly, under Republic, see above) count as units, both towards the support limits (x/y/z), and to be charged at 1-3GPT if they're over the limit: am I right?
And do foreign (slave) workers count as units needing support?
thanks!
All normal units including workers and settler must pay 1 gtp in a democracy because there is no free unit support. As far as unit support is concerned there is no distinction no between military units or otherwise. This does not depend on government.
Most governments have some free unit support, but especially as a republic it is easy for workers to more than exhaust free unit sopport.
Foreign unit are free of unit support. This is mostly true of slave workers, but also for artillery, explorers and settlers.
Most governments have some free unit support, but especially as a republic it is easy for workers to more than exhaust free unit sopport.
Foreign unit are free of unit support. This is mostly true of slave workers, but also for artillery, explorers and settlers.
Actually 2 to 9 turns.
Yes, this article seems to be a bit "imprecise". (Perhaps based on Vanilla Civ3 or an earlier patch level?!)
There is no distinction between "military" and "non-military" units. But there is a distinction between native and foreign units (slaves obtained from another nation, settlers/workers built in a captured town of 100% foreign nationality, which then also have foreign nationality, and artillery units captured from a foreign nation).
Unit support has to be paid for every unit except for foreign units. So the algorithm is actually pretty simple:
There is no distinction between "military" and "non-military" units. But there is a distinction between native and foreign units (slaves obtained from another nation, settlers/workers built in a captured town of 100% foreign nationality, which then also have foreign nationality, and artillery units captured from a foreign nation).
Unit support has to be paid for every unit except for foreign units. So the algorithm is actually pretty simple:
- Count all your units, except for foreign units
- Calculate the total free units provided by your towns, cities and metropolis according to your government
- Calculate the difference, and if it is positive, multiply by the cost per unit according to your government (i.e. 0 for Anarchy, 2 for Republic, 3 for Feudalism, 1 for pretty much any other government).
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Thank you!
It does look like this article was started about vanilla, and has been updated (possibly incompletely) for later versions. In fact, from what you say, it's much simpler than described, and the Republic millitary/non-military distinction must be wrong (or outdated, only true in vanilla, perhaps).
That's an interesting fine point about "foreign" settlers, built out of 100% foreign captured towns. I noticed a (not quite related) oddity in my latest war. Captured towns are often unhappy. That's not odd. But sometimes it's a newly-born, non-foreign citizen who ends up as one of the Unhappy Ones. And I click on him and he says "Stop the aggression against our mother country". Clearly a traitor, influenced by all those (e.g.) Incas around him at school
. No worries, I'll make him into part of a Settler unit, destined to found that horrible, cold town on the one remaining unclaimed Furs square in the Antarctic...That was always wrong. The duration of anarchy may very well have been changed. Also the variables of unit support changed. In vanilla and also the Napoleon scenario republic has no free unit support, but only 1 gtp per unit.
true, it's all units - except the ones that don't require upkeep
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