Ondolindë
Emperor
I would say it's cocaine
Not amused.
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I would say it's cocaine
Agreed, based on the live streams. They're not SP meta gamers either.
well that’s not a given, it’s really based on where they’re conquering, as any civ isThey will conquer fast but they may have loyalty issues.
They will conquer fast but they may have loyalty issues.
well that’s not a given, it’s really based on where they’re conquering, as any civ is
Oh, he's going to hate peacemongers.
They will conquer fast but they may have loyalty issues.
Everyone in this thread that's freaking out about Gran Colombia completely power creeping out Mongolia need to take a second to breathe and think critically here. Yeah, Gran Colombia have a better movement speed bonus than Mongolia, that's true. But you're also forgetting that Mongolia basically have a free +6 Combat Strength over their opponents at all times, thanks to Örtöö, and another +3 CS to Cavalry units. On top of that, they can capture other Cavalry units, bolstering their army even more.
Now, do I think Gran Colombia are a better Civ than Mongolia? I would say yes, but that's more because I think Gran Colombia is an overall more well-rounded Civ. But Mongolia is still just fine, guys. That movement speed from the Ordu isn't everything they have going for them. If it were better, Mongolia would be hilariously OP.
They will conquer so fast, those issues just won't be able to keep up.They will conquer fast but they may have loyalty issues.
The main drawback for this civ is that the Llanero and Hacienda come very late, probably at the tail end of your conquest spree, if not later.
I mean culture from Llaneros or Haciendas would have been nice maybe too, but I agree.LO HICIMOS VENEZUELA!!!!
Bolivar looks amazing. And for the people complaining about it being "only good for domination" guess what? That was gran colombia's thing. Bolivar was another Alexander/Napoleon, he just happened to have good PR because he was "liberating" people.
At least it will be like what really happened.They will conquer fast but they may have loyalty issues.
They don’t have a loyalty bonus to go in hand with the movement either so if they don’t maintain a winning streak there could be problems.Why would they have loyalty issues? They don't have any loyalty manus and if anything, the movement bonus helps a lot with fast conquest which solves all loyalty issues.
Also, I don't really understand how people can say that they are a late-booming civ. They get a free General at the start of the Classical Era and have a movement bonus that will be presumably further boosted by the GG, so if they manage to build up a decent-ish army in the Ancient Era, they can just walk through their neighbors.
I have explained what I don't like and what I do like (both in Maya and Gran Colombia topics) in a constructive way (I hope so). Sorry, but if you call all negative opinions complaining where is the ground for discussion?Agree totally. This thread just seems like people woke up on the wrong side of the bed and are itching for reasons to complain.
Oh, I'm not saying I necessarily WANT a nerf - I just anticipate there will be one.looks like I better get a Gran Columbia game in quickly seeing how much desire there is for a nerf already...
Does anyone else think fighting this guy as an AI might be pretty fun? Hes prediposed to dislike you if you dont fight lots and he gets extra movement that will help with the AI's poor tactics.
Exactly. It's the right of people to express their feelings on a topic within a given thread, whether those feelings are reasonable or not.I have explained what I don't like and what I do like (both in Maya and Gran Colombia topics) in a constructive way (I hope so). Sorry, but if you call all negative opinions complaining where is the ground for discussion?
I wouldn't say that I am worried about the power creep as much as I don't love that it just kinda takes away from Mongolia's thing. I think there are ways to modify it, where it is still strong but doesn't step on toes as much, like having it on their home continent which is also a bit for fitting for the GC itself.Everyone in this thread that's freaking out about Gran Colombia completely power creeping out Mongolia need to take a second to breathe and think critically here. Yeah, Gran Colombia have a better movement speed bonus than Mongolia, that's true. But you're also forgetting that Mongolia basically have a free +6 Combat Strength over their opponents at all times, thanks to Örtöö, and another +3 CS to Cavalry units. On top of that, they can capture other Cavalry units, bolstering their army even more.
Now, do I think Gran Colombia are a better Civ than Mongolia? I would say yes, but that's more because I think Gran Colombia is an overall more well-rounded Civ. But Mongolia is still just fine, guys. That movement speed from the Ordu isn't everything they have going for them. If it were better, Mongolia would be hilariously OP.