Red_Galiray
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Hello! I'm new in this forum. I've recently discovered a mod for Victoria 2, called Concern of Europe. It extends the timeline back to 1821, so now the game starts differently. The most glaring change in South America is that Gran Colombia exists and she's in a war against Spain, not just for her independence but for Ecuador's too. Spain is in a war against Peru and Bolivia too. I'm Ecuadorian, and I've always wondered what would have happened had Gran Colombia survived. So I downloaded another mod focused in Gran Colombia. It adds tons of new deccisions and events for her, and an skilled player can make Bolivar's dream come true. I'll go with a little alternate history here, in order to explain some things that greatly differ from what was the world in the real 1821.
PROLOGUE.
Spanish Empire New Vision.
Felipe III
By 1615 the king Felipe III of Spain was in a serious problem. He had several daughters, but not even one male heir. Though his daughters married many of the most powerful man of the age (aside from himself, of course), he needed a male heir. And by that moment he couldn't have any more children. His wife was death, and there was nothing he could do. He loved her with all his hearth, and if it was for just one more moment with her he would have gladly give his Empire to anybody, even those French... Hmm... No, that will not happen! But, there's no more option...
With all the hate acumulating in his hearth, he sended a message to the king James of England, asking for one of his many male sons. Felipe would give one of his daughters' hand, all in order to have a male heir.
James would receive the card. He was very happy about. Perhaps the time to grow closer to the Spanish was there. Anyway, he wanted to do something about these French, and that was a very good oportunity. However, he couldn't see a United Kingdom of Great Britain and Spain, nor even in his worst nightmares. Neither Felipe could. So they agree something, Jame's son would become king of Spain, but he wouldn't have any relationship with Britain aside from family.
Felipe would die in 1621, and Jame's son would become king of Spain with the title Jacobo II of Spain. Influencied by his family, his father and how the British management of the Thirteen Colonies seemed to be working (some of then even believed themselves to be English gentlemen) he started a series of reforms in The Spanish colonies in America, named the "Reforma Educativa", "El Plan de Crecimiento Colonial" y la "Reforma de la Nobleza y Pureza de los Caballeros Españoles". Even though Jacobo thought that would make the natives happier, it actually made them angrier. However, it was working. The new plan was just a misguided try to assimilate and convert the colonies' population into "Caballeros Españoles", and a very racist one, not that anybody cared.
However, it worked... On some level. Tough no Colonie inhabitant was given rights or recognized as Spanish, Jacobo gave them health and education, and the population started to become more literate and to grow faster. Also, the Spanish colonies' better condition made them a good destinity to inmigrate, and thousans or even hundreds of thousans of people from all over the world started to migrate to them, especially the Virreynato de Nueva Granada, although they chose that place not because it was better, but because her Virrey was the only one open to migration for certain place. But, as I said, it made them angry, because while before they were able to keep some of their traditions, now the crown's plan was going to erase them all! Obviusly, it didn't. It could be considered that Jacobo's plan was one of the most disastrous plans of all time, because it didn't do anything in order to prevent or alent the independence, except that when the colonies did fight for their independence, their efforts were even easier, since the population was more and better educated. ((Politically, and for the sake of history aside from Gran Colombia's history, you should think that he did exactly the same deccisions Felipe IV did))
Hundreds of Teachers from Spain and England were moved to the colonies, in order to educate and teach how to read and write to the populations of South America.
The Scramble for India.
Map of India during the war. The French tricked the still free Indian minors into becoming their allies, with the promise of independence. It was obviusly a lie.
During the Seventeen century various European Empires tried to colonize India. This produced the Scramble for India, and event in which Netherlands, France and Great Britian went against each other, without declaring a formal war in Europe. Even though Europe was in peace, however, there was a real and terrible war at India. Millions of Indians migrated to the colonies, especially the Spanish ones that were considered to be the ones with the better condition in that age, aside from the British, However, many Indians believed that going to their colonies was foolish, after all they were going to win anyway, and they were the ones who did the most horrible acts in those wars. Also, it was the only Great Power at "peace", even though it coperated with Britain thanks to her king, Jacobo. The war would be won by Great Britain, who would take control of India.
The place most beneficied from the migration was New Granada Virreynato, since her virrey was the only one open to migration from India, in order to have a better workforce and more soldiers. Though he hated them, he considered them to be equal to the "Indians" from the Americas, that's the ones who were already living there. So, according to this, and to avoid some investigations, he wrote the enmigrants were North Andeans in the census.
Map of Nueva Granada. Her inhabitants suffered a suden and great bost. Not just the health and safety reforms make the birth rate implosive, but the migrations of Indians was especially huge in that area,
Ironically, this wouldn't be so far from reality, and when the 1800's rolled in almost all of their descendants would be integrated into their society, both the people believing them to be North Andeans and they believing themselves to be North Andeans. The cultural mixture worked wonders on them, and the millions of Indians had millions of children with the millions of North Andeans that were gave birth, thanks to the king's health reforms. Other Virreynatos suffered similar proccess, with the Nueva España Virreynato being the only exception because the Virrey didn't wanted to have Indian in his territory.
Comparision between the Indian people and the Indios from Nueva Granada. They wasn't that different in apparence, or at least that was what the Spanish though. They would be quikly obligated into forgeting their traditions and even their language. Even with those efforts, the North Andean culture, and the South Andean, Platinean and even Brazilians cultures as well would become a mixture of Spanish, Indegenas and Indians.
Sorry if I made any mistake, English is not my native language and I'm still learning it. In the next chapter, how the independence fight began, and the new states formation
I'm going to add images to this later, too...
PROLOGUE.
Spanish Empire New Vision.
Felipe III
By 1615 the king Felipe III of Spain was in a serious problem. He had several daughters, but not even one male heir. Though his daughters married many of the most powerful man of the age (aside from himself, of course), he needed a male heir. And by that moment he couldn't have any more children. His wife was death, and there was nothing he could do. He loved her with all his hearth, and if it was for just one more moment with her he would have gladly give his Empire to anybody, even those French... Hmm... No, that will not happen! But, there's no more option...
With all the hate acumulating in his hearth, he sended a message to the king James of England, asking for one of his many male sons. Felipe would give one of his daughters' hand, all in order to have a male heir.
James would receive the card. He was very happy about. Perhaps the time to grow closer to the Spanish was there. Anyway, he wanted to do something about these French, and that was a very good oportunity. However, he couldn't see a United Kingdom of Great Britain and Spain, nor even in his worst nightmares. Neither Felipe could. So they agree something, Jame's son would become king of Spain, but he wouldn't have any relationship with Britain aside from family.
Felipe would die in 1621, and Jame's son would become king of Spain with the title Jacobo II of Spain. Influencied by his family, his father and how the British management of the Thirteen Colonies seemed to be working (some of then even believed themselves to be English gentlemen) he started a series of reforms in The Spanish colonies in America, named the "Reforma Educativa", "El Plan de Crecimiento Colonial" y la "Reforma de la Nobleza y Pureza de los Caballeros Españoles". Even though Jacobo thought that would make the natives happier, it actually made them angrier. However, it was working. The new plan was just a misguided try to assimilate and convert the colonies' population into "Caballeros Españoles", and a very racist one, not that anybody cared.
However, it worked... On some level. Tough no Colonie inhabitant was given rights or recognized as Spanish, Jacobo gave them health and education, and the population started to become more literate and to grow faster. Also, the Spanish colonies' better condition made them a good destinity to inmigrate, and thousans or even hundreds of thousans of people from all over the world started to migrate to them, especially the Virreynato de Nueva Granada, although they chose that place not because it was better, but because her Virrey was the only one open to migration for certain place. But, as I said, it made them angry, because while before they were able to keep some of their traditions, now the crown's plan was going to erase them all! Obviusly, it didn't. It could be considered that Jacobo's plan was one of the most disastrous plans of all time, because it didn't do anything in order to prevent or alent the independence, except that when the colonies did fight for their independence, their efforts were even easier, since the population was more and better educated. ((Politically, and for the sake of history aside from Gran Colombia's history, you should think that he did exactly the same deccisions Felipe IV did))
Hundreds of Teachers from Spain and England were moved to the colonies, in order to educate and teach how to read and write to the populations of South America.
The Scramble for India.
Map of India during the war. The French tricked the still free Indian minors into becoming their allies, with the promise of independence. It was obviusly a lie.
During the Seventeen century various European Empires tried to colonize India. This produced the Scramble for India, and event in which Netherlands, France and Great Britian went against each other, without declaring a formal war in Europe. Even though Europe was in peace, however, there was a real and terrible war at India. Millions of Indians migrated to the colonies, especially the Spanish ones that were considered to be the ones with the better condition in that age, aside from the British, However, many Indians believed that going to their colonies was foolish, after all they were going to win anyway, and they were the ones who did the most horrible acts in those wars. Also, it was the only Great Power at "peace", even though it coperated with Britain thanks to her king, Jacobo. The war would be won by Great Britain, who would take control of India.
The place most beneficied from the migration was New Granada Virreynato, since her virrey was the only one open to migration from India, in order to have a better workforce and more soldiers. Though he hated them, he considered them to be equal to the "Indians" from the Americas, that's the ones who were already living there. So, according to this, and to avoid some investigations, he wrote the enmigrants were North Andeans in the census.
Map of Nueva Granada. Her inhabitants suffered a suden and great bost. Not just the health and safety reforms make the birth rate implosive, but the migrations of Indians was especially huge in that area,
Ironically, this wouldn't be so far from reality, and when the 1800's rolled in almost all of their descendants would be integrated into their society, both the people believing them to be North Andeans and they believing themselves to be North Andeans. The cultural mixture worked wonders on them, and the millions of Indians had millions of children with the millions of North Andeans that were gave birth, thanks to the king's health reforms. Other Virreynatos suffered similar proccess, with the Nueva España Virreynato being the only exception because the Virrey didn't wanted to have Indian in his territory.
Comparision between the Indian people and the Indios from Nueva Granada. They wasn't that different in apparence, or at least that was what the Spanish though. They would be quikly obligated into forgeting their traditions and even their language. Even with those efforts, the North Andean culture, and the South Andean, Platinean and even Brazilians cultures as well would become a mixture of Spanish, Indegenas and Indians.
Sorry if I made any mistake, English is not my native language and I'm still learning it. In the next chapter, how the independence fight began, and the new states formation
I'm going to add images to this later, too...
