I just finished a game with Cree on Immortal where I captured the Oracle early in the game, and I was using Pingala with Grants in another city, and I was using policy cards to generate additional GPPs, yet with all of this most Great People I got (Engineers, Merchants, Scientists) were too late to really be useful.
By the mid game I was generating over 100 Science GPPs, and was way ahead in Engineering and Merchant GPPs as well.
Ones that stand out are:
James Watt: by the time I got him I had already built Ruhr Valley and had factories everywhere they were wanted. Ended up just using him somewhere that I hadn't planned to build a factory just to get the bonus.
Robert Goddard: By the time I got him I had already built 2 Spaceports.
Sergei Korolev: Was irrelevant. By the time I got him I was already on later projects and they were only taking a few turns to complete anyway, given that I had over 200 production in my Spaceport cities and I was really being held back by research (i.e. was waiting on next tech to advance the race, not on completing projects). (But I had over 500 Science per turn).
Wernher von Braun: When I got him I had already launched everything and was just waiting for the Exoplanet Expedition to complete. The helper projects only took 1 turn to complete anyway.
Giovanni de' Medici: Already had Banks in every city.
As for the science GPs, the ones that grant Eureka's mostly came after I already had all of the Eureka's or even all of the techs for the Era. The ones that build stuff came after everything was built out. The Space Race ones were irrelevant as they came too late to matter.
I compare this to Vanilla where this never happened and the GPs were key to the strategy. It seemed very odd. I think I won the Space Race around turn 260, or at least I launched the Exoplanet Expedition by then and no one else was even close.
In Vanilla James Watt was often useful in setting up for Ruhr Valley and I would sometimes get him before researching Industrialization. Same with Isaac Newton, who I often got prior to the ability to build my own Universities.
So what is going on? Why were all the GPs coming so late? How was the ratio between my advancement and GPP generation so off? Given that I was trying to earn and many GPPs as I could, and was using policy cards to advance generation of Science and Engineering GPPs, plus I had the Oracle and Grants, and was generating it seemed like at least 5x more Engineering, Merchant and Science GPPs than any of the AIs, more in some cases, how were they always so far behind? I didn't purchase any GPs except Isaac Newton, as I had just gotten the last GP and someone else was coming up on getting him. I already had Universities when I purchased him, but had a place to use him in a recently acquired city.
I did conquer my neighbor, but left all of the other civs untouched. I had 5 starting cities and then dominated to 10 cities and stayed at that until the late game, when I founded 2 more to get strategic resources in the polar regions.
In Vanilla getting the Space Race GPs was often critical to timely launch, but it seems that in GS they are far, far less relevant and production is higher and research takes longer, plus with the ability to buy the Spaceport...
Is this other people's experience as well?
By the mid game I was generating over 100 Science GPPs, and was way ahead in Engineering and Merchant GPPs as well.
Ones that stand out are:
James Watt: by the time I got him I had already built Ruhr Valley and had factories everywhere they were wanted. Ended up just using him somewhere that I hadn't planned to build a factory just to get the bonus.
Robert Goddard: By the time I got him I had already built 2 Spaceports.
Sergei Korolev: Was irrelevant. By the time I got him I was already on later projects and they were only taking a few turns to complete anyway, given that I had over 200 production in my Spaceport cities and I was really being held back by research (i.e. was waiting on next tech to advance the race, not on completing projects). (But I had over 500 Science per turn).
Wernher von Braun: When I got him I had already launched everything and was just waiting for the Exoplanet Expedition to complete. The helper projects only took 1 turn to complete anyway.
Giovanni de' Medici: Already had Banks in every city.
As for the science GPs, the ones that grant Eureka's mostly came after I already had all of the Eureka's or even all of the techs for the Era. The ones that build stuff came after everything was built out. The Space Race ones were irrelevant as they came too late to matter.
I compare this to Vanilla where this never happened and the GPs were key to the strategy. It seemed very odd. I think I won the Space Race around turn 260, or at least I launched the Exoplanet Expedition by then and no one else was even close.
In Vanilla James Watt was often useful in setting up for Ruhr Valley and I would sometimes get him before researching Industrialization. Same with Isaac Newton, who I often got prior to the ability to build my own Universities.
So what is going on? Why were all the GPs coming so late? How was the ratio between my advancement and GPP generation so off? Given that I was trying to earn and many GPPs as I could, and was using policy cards to advance generation of Science and Engineering GPPs, plus I had the Oracle and Grants, and was generating it seemed like at least 5x more Engineering, Merchant and Science GPPs than any of the AIs, more in some cases, how were they always so far behind? I didn't purchase any GPs except Isaac Newton, as I had just gotten the last GP and someone else was coming up on getting him. I already had Universities when I purchased him, but had a place to use him in a recently acquired city.
I did conquer my neighbor, but left all of the other civs untouched. I had 5 starting cities and then dominated to 10 cities and stayed at that until the late game, when I founded 2 more to get strategic resources in the polar regions.
In Vanilla getting the Space Race GPs was often critical to timely launch, but it seems that in GS they are far, far less relevant and production is higher and research takes longer, plus with the ability to buy the Spaceport...
Is this other people's experience as well?