Great People

[peter grimes]

Ok - I've compiled a list of all the great people from the cvi4unitinfo.xml file. It was my first foray into 'the guts' of civ4, and I found it pretty interesting. I post it here as a reference for us

* bonus points of you can spot Firaxis' typo!!

Great Prophets:

Spoiler :

MOSES
MAHAVIRA
ZOROASTER
ANANDA
CHUANG_TZU
MENCIUS
MO_TZU
ST_JOHN
ST_PETER
ST_PAUL
RABBI_AKIVA
MANI
ST_AUGUSTINE
ST_PATRICK
ABU_BAKR
SHANKARA
KOBO_DAISHI
ATISHA
ST_THOMAS_AQUINAS
MOHAMMED_SHAH
TSONGKHAPA
JEANNE_ARC
NARAK
TIPU_SULTAN
RAMAKRISHNA
NARAYANA_GURU
SOJOURNER_TRUTH

Great Artists:

Spoiler :

HOMER
THESPIS
LING_LUN
WANG_XIZHI
VALMIKI
VIRGIL
KALIDAS
LI_PO
DU_FU
JALAL_ALDIN_RUMI
DANTE_ALIGHIERI
YUNUS_EMRE
AMIR_KHUSRO
IBN_MUQLAH
MICHAELANGELO
RAPHAEL
WILLIAM_SHAKESPEARE
MIGUEL_DE_CERVANTES
REMBRANDT
JOHANNES_VERMEER
JS_BACH
WOLFGANG_MOZART
JOHANN_GOETHE
LUDWIG_VAN_BEETHOVEN
VICTOR_HUGO
VINCENT_VAN_GOGH
JOHANNES_BRAHMS
DVORAK
MARK_TWAIN
CLAUDE_MONET
JOSEPH_CONRAD
FRANK_KAFKA
LOUIS_ARMSTRONG
DUKE_ELLINGTON
PABLO_PICASSO
MILES_DAVIS

Great Scientists:

Spoiler :

MERIT_PTAH
XI_LING_SHI
NABU_RIMANNI
SOCRATES
PLATO
ARISTOTLE
EUCLID
PTOLEMY
HYPATIA
ZU_CHONGZHI
ARYABHATA
AL_KINDI
AL_KHWARIZMI
AL_RAZI
ALHAZEN
NICOLAUS_COPERNICUS
FRANCIS_BACON
TYCHO_BRAHE
JOHANNES_KEPLER
ISAAC_NEWTON
GALILEO_GALILEI
RENE_DESCARTES
ANTONY_VAN_LEEUWENHOEK
GOTTFRIED_LEIBNIZ
MIKHAIL_LOMONOSOV
ANTOINE_LAURENT_lAVOISIER
CARL_FRIEDRICH_GAUSS
JOHN_DALTON
MICHAEL_FARADAY
JAMES_CLERK_MAXWELL
LOUIS_PASTEUR
CHARLES_DARWIN
ERNEST_RUTHERFORD
MARIE_CURIE
ALBERT_EINSTEIN
NIELS_BOHR
WERNER_HEISENBERG
ENRICO_FERMI
ROSALIND_FRANKLIN
ANDREI_SAKHAROV

Great Merchants:

Spoiler :

HARKUF
HANNO
PYTHEAS
ZHANG_QIAN
ARETAS_III
LEIF_ERICKSON
WANG_ANSHI
ENRICO_DANDOLO
MARCO_POLO
IBN_BATTUTA
RRICHARD_WHITTINGTON sic
GIOVANNI_DE_MEDICI
ZHENG_HE
VASCO_DA_GAMA
CHRISTOPHER_COLUMBUS
FERDINAND_MAGELLAN
JACQUES_CARTIER
RAJA_TODAR_MAL
ANTONY_VAN_DIEMEN
SIR_THOMAS_ROE
SHAH_JAHAN
ADAM_SMITH
JAMES_COOK
CORNELIUS_VANDERBILT
SIR_ALEXANDER_MACKENZIE
JOHN_STUART_MILL
ANDREW_CARNEGIE
JOHN_D_ROCKEFELLER
JOHN_MAYNARD_KEYNES
COCO_CHANEL

Great Engineers

Spoiler :

IMHOTEP
ARCHIMEDES
HERON
CAI_LUN
ZHANG_HENG
BI_SHENG
LEONARDO_DA_VINCI
SINAN
WILHELM_SCHICKARD
BLAISE_PASCAL
BENJAMIN_FRANKLIN
CHARLES_AUGUSTIN_DE_COULOMB
JAMES_WATT
JOSEPH_MARIE_JACQUARD
ISAMBARD_KINGDOM_BRUNEL
WILLIAN_MORTON
LOUIS_DAGUERRE
FERDINAND_DE_LESSEPS
JOHN_ROEBLING
NOBERT_RILLIEUX
HENRY_BESSEMER
NAIN_SINGH
ALEXANDER_GRAHM_BELL
NIKOLAUS_AUGUST_OTTO
NICHOLA_TESLA
THOMAS_EDISON
GUGLIELMO_MARCONI
ALEXANDRE_GUSTAVE_EIFFEL
GEORGE_WASHINGTON_GOETHALS
HENRY_FORD
WILBUR_WRIGHT
ORVILLE_WRIGHT

 

[gbno1fan]

They included Keynes but not Friedman? What a shame.

Great work on the list, Pete.

 

[DaveMcW]

So does anyone have a list of which great people have been generated ingame?

 

[General_W]

Yeah - thanks for that Peter! Very helpful.

I can post a list of Great People later when I get to sit down with the save.

Typo guesses:
Prophet - JEANNE_ARC - shouldn't that be Joan of Arc? Or is this some fancy real french name I'm missing?

Artist - DU_FU - shouldn't this be "DA-FU" ... as in Mr. T's "I pitty Da Fu!"

 

[peter grimes]

I've compiled a list, along with their dates of birth. I've also compiled a list of when Wonders have been produced, and by which team. But that list is on paper at home, so it'll be some hours before I get a chance to post it.

Typo Guesses
Well, I'm not sure about DU_FU
Jeanne_Arc is not the one I was thinking of, but could indeed be a typo. The one that I found was pretty flagrant.

 

[twistlok]

So what happens if we use all the great prophet names? Once they are used are there no more to get?

 

[RegentMan]

Jeanne d'Arc is French for "Joan of Arc."

So what happens if we use all the great prophet names? Once they are used are there no more to get?

The great people are merely named their title then. You'll see "Great Merchant was born in..." instead of an actual name.

 

[peter grimes]

Yeah, it's pretty clear that Jeanne_Arc is supposed to be the person English people know as Jean d'Arc, but what's not clear is what transliterative model the publishers are using. In this case, the idiom seems to alternate between the Francophone and the Anglicized. Whatever - the important thing is that she hasn't been born yet

 

[peter grimes]

Okay - here's the long and short of it:

Spoiler :

1120 BC StoneHenge, +2 GP Loco

900 Great LightHouse, +2 GM Piffle

650 Moses (GP)

625 Kashivishi... ,+1 GP Innovia

425 Colossus, +2 GM Aloha

400 Mahariva

300 Harkuf (GM)

275 Zoroaster (GP)

200 Mahobodhi, + 1GP Loco

50 BC Piffle revolt to Caste System

100 AD Merit Ptah (GE)

200 Homer, Aloha

250 Xi Ling Shi (GS)

300 Nabu-Rimanni (GS)

425 Hangin' Gardinz , +2 GE Aloha

500 Parthenon +2 GA +50% GP Points all around!!

500? Chuang-Tzu (GP)

??? Ling-Lun (GA)

Now, if anyone has any ideas about how to improve the presentation of this, PLEASE let me know. At the same time, I'm a little unclear about some of my notes: 500 AD is a little sketchy for some reason, so I happened not to note who popped Ling or the Parthenon. Also, I have yet to start an analysis of this data to correlate Great Prophets with Shrines. Also, we need to look into Lightbulbing, using DaveMcW's Startegy article.

 

[peter grimes]

I've played around with the spacing, so that there is a more intuitive sense of the chronology. I don't know if that helps any.

Spoiler new format :

Turn 73 1120 BC StoneHenge, +2 GP Loco






t79 900 Great LightHouse, +2 GM Piffle










t89 650 Moses (GP) innovia?
t90 625 Kashivishi... ,+1 GP Innovia








t98 425 Colossus, +2 GM Aloha
t99 400 Mahariva (GP)




t103 300 Harkuf (GM) Piffle from Lighthouse? Doesn't seem to be enough time.
t104 275 Zoroaster (GP) Loco?



t107 200 Mahobodhi, + 1GP Loco






t113 50 BC Piffle revolt to Caste System






t119 100 AD Merit Ptah (GE) I'm guessing he lightbulbed




t123 200 Homer (GA), Aloha

t125 250 Xi Ling Shi (GS) not a GA, as GW surmised, so not from Music

t127 300 Nabu-Rimanni (GS)





t132 425 Hangin' Gardinz , +2 GE Aloha


t135 500 Parthenon +2 GA +50% GP Points all around!!
t135 500? Chuang-Tzu (GP)

??? Ling-Lun (GA)

So there are some things in there I really can't explain - like how on earth did Harkuf generate? There wasn't enough time to do it from the Great Lighthouse, unless I'm missing something.

 

[DaveMcW]

Piffle (philosophical) gets double GP generation, so the Lighthouse is cranks out 4 per turn. Harkuf was born exactly 25 turns later.

 

[peter grimes]

D'oh! That makes perfect sense now. Thanks Dave!

 

[DaveMcW]

Date    Name          Type        Team      Used For
----    ----          ----        ----      --------
650BC   Moses         Prophet     Innovia   Shrine
400BC   Mahavira      Prophet     Aloha     Divine Right
300BC   Harkuff       Merchant    Piffle    Paper
275BC   Zoroaster     Prophet     Loco      Shrine
125BC   Ananda        Prophet     Epsilon   Shrine
100AD   Merit Ptah    Scientist   Piffle    Philosophy
200AD   Homer         Artist      Aloha     ????
250AD   Xi Ling Shi   Scientist   Innovia   ????
300AD   Nabu-rimanni  Scientist   ????      ????
400AD   Socrates      Scientist   Epsilon   Academy
500AD   Chang-Tzu     Prophet     ????      ????

 

[Memphus]

I believe the above post exemplefies why we need Dave As the Domestic Minister....His Level of Skill is in anotehr league...

 

[peter grimes]

Paper and Philosophy lightbulbed?.. I didn't think to check that

Thanks again, Dave

 

[classical_hero]

How can you find this info? The way how each GP is used.

 

[peter grimes]

You must infer it from other in-game events. When Great Prophet is born, then two turns later, a Shrine is established, you can be pretty certain the Prophet founded the shrine.

Likewise, when a GM is born, and then someone discovers Paper, it's likely that the GM Lightbulbed Paper.

 

[General_W]

Dave (Or Peter?) – maybe you want to keep updating your list of Great People here?
It's really helpful!

780 AD saw the birth of Great Merchant Hanno in Aloha, 820 AD Great Prophet Mo Tzo born in (Innovia? Loco?), and 840 AD saw the birth of Great Scientist Plato in (Piffle?).

Hopefully we can confirm more of this as we go along.

 

[peter grimes]

Date    Name          Type        Team      Used For
----    ----          ----        ----      --------
650BC   Moses         Prophet     Innovia   Shrine
400BC   Mahavira      Prophet     Aloha     Divine Right
300BC   Harkuff       Merchant    Piffle    Paper
275BC   Zoroaster     Prophet     Loco      Shrine
125BC   Ananda        Prophet     Epsilon   Shrine
100AD   Merit Ptah    Scientist   Piffle    Philosophy
200AD   Homer         Artist      Aloha     ????
250AD   Xi Ling Shi   Scientist   Innovia   ????
300AD   Nabu-rimanni  Scientist   ????      ????
400AD   Socrates      Scientist   Epsilon   Academy
500AD   Chang-Tzu     Prophet     ????      ????
780AD   Hanno         Merchant    Aloha     ????
820AD   Mo Tzu        Prophet     I?? L??   ????
840AD   Plato         Scientist   P???      ????

 

[General_W]

Awesome! Thanks Peter!


Only thing missing (that I see) is that we know Hanno was used to get Guilds.