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Discussion in 'Team Epsilon' started by peter grimes, Mar 8, 2007.

  1. peter grimes

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    Ok - I've compiled a list of all the great people from the cvi4unitinfo.xml file. It was my first foray into 'the guts' of civ4, and I found it pretty interesting. I post it here as a reference for us :)

    * bonus points of you can spot Firaxis' typo!!

    Great Prophets:

    Spoiler :
    MOSES
    MAHAVIRA
    ZOROASTER
    ANANDA
    CHUANG_TZU
    MENCIUS
    MO_TZU
    ST_JOHN
    ST_PETER
    ST_PAUL
    RABBI_AKIVA
    MANI
    ST_AUGUSTINE
    ST_PATRICK
    ABU_BAKR
    SHANKARA
    KOBO_DAISHI
    ATISHA
    ST_THOMAS_AQUINAS
    MOHAMMED_SHAH
    TSONGKHAPA
    JEANNE_ARC
    NARAK
    TIPU_SULTAN
    RAMAKRISHNA
    NARAYANA_GURU
    SOJOURNER_TRUTH


    Great Artists:

    Spoiler :
    HOMER
    THESPIS
    LING_LUN
    WANG_XIZHI
    VALMIKI
    VIRGIL
    KALIDAS
    LI_PO
    DU_FU
    JALAL_ALDIN_RUMI
    DANTE_ALIGHIERI
    YUNUS_EMRE
    AMIR_KHUSRO
    IBN_MUQLAH
    MICHAELANGELO
    RAPHAEL
    WILLIAM_SHAKESPEARE
    MIGUEL_DE_CERVANTES
    REMBRANDT
    JOHANNES_VERMEER
    JS_BACH
    WOLFGANG_MOZART
    JOHANN_GOETHE
    LUDWIG_VAN_BEETHOVEN
    VICTOR_HUGO
    VINCENT_VAN_GOGH
    JOHANNES_BRAHMS
    DVORAK
    MARK_TWAIN
    CLAUDE_MONET
    JOSEPH_CONRAD
    FRANK_KAFKA
    LOUIS_ARMSTRONG
    DUKE_ELLINGTON
    PABLO_PICASSO
    MILES_DAVIS


    Great Scientists:

    Spoiler :
    MERIT_PTAH
    XI_LING_SHI
    NABU_RIMANNI
    SOCRATES
    PLATO
    ARISTOTLE
    EUCLID
    PTOLEMY
    HYPATIA
    ZU_CHONGZHI
    ARYABHATA
    AL_KINDI
    AL_KHWARIZMI
    AL_RAZI
    ALHAZEN
    NICOLAUS_COPERNICUS
    FRANCIS_BACON
    TYCHO_BRAHE
    JOHANNES_KEPLER
    ISAAC_NEWTON
    GALILEO_GALILEI
    RENE_DESCARTES
    ANTONY_VAN_LEEUWENHOEK
    GOTTFRIED_LEIBNIZ
    MIKHAIL_LOMONOSOV
    ANTOINE_LAURENT_lAVOISIER
    CARL_FRIEDRICH_GAUSS
    JOHN_DALTON
    MICHAEL_FARADAY
    JAMES_CLERK_MAXWELL
    LOUIS_PASTEUR
    CHARLES_DARWIN
    ERNEST_RUTHERFORD
    MARIE_CURIE
    ALBERT_EINSTEIN
    NIELS_BOHR
    WERNER_HEISENBERG
    ENRICO_FERMI
    ROSALIND_FRANKLIN
    ANDREI_SAKHAROV


    Great Merchants:

    Spoiler :
    HARKUF
    HANNO
    PYTHEAS
    ZHANG_QIAN
    ARETAS_III
    LEIF_ERICKSON
    WANG_ANSHI
    ENRICO_DANDOLO
    MARCO_POLO
    IBN_BATTUTA
    RRICHARD_WHITTINGTON sic
    GIOVANNI_DE_MEDICI
    ZHENG_HE
    VASCO_DA_GAMA
    CHRISTOPHER_COLUMBUS
    FERDINAND_MAGELLAN
    JACQUES_CARTIER
    RAJA_TODAR_MAL
    ANTONY_VAN_DIEMEN
    SIR_THOMAS_ROE
    SHAH_JAHAN
    ADAM_SMITH
    JAMES_COOK
    CORNELIUS_VANDERBILT
    SIR_ALEXANDER_MACKENZIE
    JOHN_STUART_MILL
    ANDREW_CARNEGIE
    JOHN_D_ROCKEFELLER
    JOHN_MAYNARD_KEYNES
    COCO_CHANEL


    Great Engineers

    Spoiler :
    IMHOTEP
    ARCHIMEDES
    HERON
    CAI_LUN
    ZHANG_HENG
    BI_SHENG
    LEONARDO_DA_VINCI
    SINAN
    WILHELM_SCHICKARD
    BLAISE_PASCAL
    BENJAMIN_FRANKLIN
    CHARLES_AUGUSTIN_DE_COULOMB
    JAMES_WATT
    JOSEPH_MARIE_JACQUARD
    ISAMBARD_KINGDOM_BRUNEL
    WILLIAN_MORTON
    LOUIS_DAGUERRE
    FERDINAND_DE_LESSEPS
    JOHN_ROEBLING
    NOBERT_RILLIEUX
    HENRY_BESSEMER
    NAIN_SINGH
    ALEXANDER_GRAHM_BELL
    NIKOLAUS_AUGUST_OTTO
    NICHOLA_TESLA
    THOMAS_EDISON
    GUGLIELMO_MARCONI
    ALEXANDRE_GUSTAVE_EIFFEL
    GEORGE_WASHINGTON_GOETHALS
    HENRY_FORD
    WILBUR_WRIGHT
    ORVILLE_WRIGHT
     
  2. gbno1fan

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    They included Keynes but not Friedman? :nono: What a shame.

    Great work on the list, Pete.
     
  3. DaveMcW

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    So does anyone have a list of which great people have been generated ingame? :)
     
  4. General_W

    General_W Councilor & Merlot Noble

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    Yeah - thanks for that Peter! Very helpful.

    I can post a list of Great People later when I get to sit down with the save.

    Typo guesses:
    Prophet - JEANNE_ARC - shouldn't that be Joan of Arc? Or is this some fancy real french name I'm missing?

    Artist - DU_FU - shouldn't this be "DA-FU" ... as in Mr. T's "I pitty Da Fu!" ;)
     
  5. peter grimes

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    I've compiled a list, along with their dates of birth. I've also compiled a list of when Wonders have been produced, and by which team. But that list is on paper at home, so it'll be some hours before I get a chance to post it.

    Typo Guesses
    Well, I'm not sure about DU_FU ;)
    Jeanne_Arc is not the one I was thinking of, but could indeed be a typo. The one that I found was pretty flagrant.
     
  6. twistlok

    twistlok Chieftain

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    So what happens if we use all the great prophet names? Once they are used are there no more to get?
     
  7. RegentMan

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    Jeanne d'Arc is French for "Joan of Arc." ;)

    The great people are merely named their title then. You'll see "Great Merchant was born in..." instead of an actual name.
     
  8. peter grimes

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    Yeah, it's pretty clear that Jeanne_Arc is supposed to be the person English people know as Jean d'Arc, but what's not clear is what transliterative model the publishers are using. In this case, the idiom seems to alternate between the Francophone and the Anglicized. Whatever - the important thing is that she hasn't been born yet ;)
     
  9. peter grimes

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    Okay - here's the long and short of it:

    Spoiler :
    1120 BC StoneHenge, +2 GP Loco

    900 Great LightHouse, +2 GM Piffle

    650 Moses (GP)

    625 Kashivishi... ,+1 GP Innovia

    425 Colossus, +2 GM Aloha

    400 Mahariva

    300 Harkuf (GM)

    275 Zoroaster (GP)

    200 Mahobodhi, + 1GP Loco

    50 BC Piffle revolt to Caste System

    100 AD Merit Ptah (GE)

    200 Homer, Aloha

    250 Xi Ling Shi (GS)

    300 Nabu-Rimanni (GS)

    425 Hangin' Gardinz ;), +2 GE Aloha

    500 Parthenon +2 GA +50% GP Points all around!!

    500? Chuang-Tzu (GP)

    ??? Ling-Lun (GA)


    Now, if anyone has any ideas about how to improve the presentation of this, PLEASE let me know. At the same time, I'm a little unclear about some of my notes: 500 AD is a little sketchy for some reason, so I happened not to note who popped Ling or the Parthenon. Also, I have yet to start an analysis of this data to correlate Great Prophets with Shrines. Also, we need to look into Lightbulbing, using DaveMcW's Startegy article.
     
  10. peter grimes

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    I've played around with the spacing, so that there is a more intuitive sense of the chronology. I don't know if that helps any.
    Spoiler new format :
    Turn 73 1120 BC StoneHenge, +2 GP Loco






    t79 900 Great LightHouse, +2 GM Piffle










    t89 650 Moses (GP) innovia?
    t90 625 Kashivishi... ,+1 GP Innovia








    t98 425 Colossus, +2 GM Aloha
    t99 400 Mahariva (GP)




    t103 300 Harkuf (GM) Piffle from Lighthouse? Doesn't seem to be enough time.
    t104 275 Zoroaster (GP) Loco?



    t107 200 Mahobodhi, + 1GP Loco






    t113 50 BC Piffle revolt to Caste System






    t119 100 AD Merit Ptah (GE) I'm guessing he lightbulbed




    t123 200 Homer (GA), Aloha

    t125 250 Xi Ling Shi (GS) not a GA, as GW surmised, so not from Music

    t127 300 Nabu-Rimanni (GS)





    t132 425 Hangin' Gardinz , +2 GE Aloha


    t135 500 Parthenon +2 GA +50% GP Points all around!!
    t135 500? Chuang-Tzu (GP)

    ??? Ling-Lun (GA)


    So there are some things in there I really can't explain - like how on earth did Harkuf generate? There wasn't enough time to do it from the Great Lighthouse, unless I'm missing something.
     
  11. DaveMcW

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    Piffle (philosophical) gets double GP generation, so the Lighthouse is cranks out 4:gp: per turn. Harkuf was born exactly 25 turns later.
     
  12. peter grimes

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    D'oh! That makes perfect sense now. Thanks Dave!
     
  13. DaveMcW

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    Code:
    Date    Name          Type        Team      Used For
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    650BC   Moses         Prophet     Innovia   Shrine
    400BC   Mahavira      Prophet     Aloha     Divine Right
    300BC   Harkuff       Merchant    Piffle    Paper
    275BC   Zoroaster     Prophet     Loco      Shrine
    125BC   Ananda        Prophet     Epsilon   Shrine
    100AD   Merit Ptah    Scientist   Piffle    Philosophy
    200AD   Homer         Artist      Aloha     ????
    250AD   Xi Ling Shi   Scientist   Innovia   ????
    300AD   Nabu-rimanni  Scientist   ????      ????
    400AD   Socrates      Scientist   Epsilon   Academy
    500AD   Chang-Tzu     Prophet     ????      ????
    
     
  14. Memphus

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    I believe the above post exemplefies why we need Dave As the Domestic Minister....His Level of Skill is in anotehr league... ;)
     
  15. peter grimes

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    Paper and Philosophy lightbulbed?.. I didn't think to check that :blush:

    Thanks again, Dave :)
     
  16. classical_hero

    classical_hero In whom I trust

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    How can you find this info? The way how each GP is used.
     
  17. peter grimes

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    You must infer it from other in-game events. When Great Prophet is born, then two turns later, a Shrine is established, you can be pretty certain the Prophet founded the shrine.

    Likewise, when a GM is born, and then someone discovers Paper, it's likely that the GM Lightbulbed Paper.
     
  18. General_W

    General_W Councilor & Merlot Noble

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    Dave (Or Peter?) – maybe you want to keep updating your list of Great People here?
    It's really helpful!

    780 AD saw the birth of Great Merchant Hanno in Aloha, 820 AD Great Prophet Mo Tzo born in (Innovia? Loco?), and 840 AD saw the birth of Great Scientist Plato in (Piffle?).

    Hopefully we can confirm more of this as we go along.
     
  19. peter grimes

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    Date    Name          Type        Team      Used For
    ----    ----          ----        ----      --------
    650BC   Moses         Prophet     Innovia   Shrine
    400BC   Mahavira      Prophet     Aloha     Divine Right
    300BC   Harkuff       Merchant    Piffle    Paper
    275BC   Zoroaster     Prophet     Loco      Shrine
    125BC   Ananda        Prophet     Epsilon   Shrine
    100AD   Merit Ptah    Scientist   Piffle    Philosophy
    200AD   Homer         Artist      Aloha     ????
    250AD   Xi Ling Shi   Scientist   Innovia   ????
    300AD   Nabu-rimanni  Scientist   ????      ????
    400AD   Socrates      Scientist   Epsilon   Academy
    500AD   Chang-Tzu     Prophet     ????      ????
    780AD   Hanno         Merchant    Aloha     ????
    820AD   Mo Tzu        Prophet     I?? L??   ????
    840AD   Plato         Scientist   P???      ????
     
  20. General_W

    General_W Councilor & Merlot Noble

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    Awesome! Thanks Peter!
    :salute:

    Only thing missing (that I see) is that we know Hanno was used to get Guilds.
     

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