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Discussion in 'Civ4 - Road to War' started by Dale, Aug 6, 2007.

  1. Dale

    Dale Chieftain

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    Here is the Great Person lists that will appear in the next beta of the add-on.

    If you have suggestions, please make them. Also, I need people to fill out the Merchants category. I'm looking for famous businesspeople of the time (like Rockefellar). :)

    Artists: (My silent tribute to the men/women/children of the camps is to use the songs written in the camps)
    Gideon Klein Piano Sonata: Allegro con fuoco
    Adagio
    Allegro vivace
    Viktor Ullmann Piano Sonata n. 5 op.45: Allegro con brio – Meno mosso
    Andante
    Toccatina. Vivace
    Serenade. Comodo-Meno mosso
    Finale fugato. Allegro molto
    Piano Sonata n.6 op.49: Allegro molto-Andante poco adagio
    Allegretto grazioso
    Presto ma non troppo-Tempo primo
    Piano Sonata n.7: Allegro. Gemachliche Halb
    Alla marcia, ben misuraato
    Adagio. Ma con moto
    Scherzo. Allegretto grazioso-Trio-Scherzo
    Variationen und Fugue uber ein hebraisches Volkslied
    The Soldiers of the Moor
    Dachau Song
    Stand Fast
    Our Town is Burning
    A Child of Our Time
    Over Yonder in the Sunshine
    At the Edge of a Forest
    Never Say That You Have Reached the Final Road
    By the Ghetto Gate
    The Lonely Child
    Yisrolik
    There Lies Treblinka
    Auschwitz
    We Long for a Home
    Verdict

    Scientists:
    Howard Florey
    Edwin McMillan
    Phillip Abelson
    Georgii Flerov
    Konstantin Petrzhak
    Igor Sikorsky
    Arthur Wahl
    Enrico Fermi
    Warren McCulloch
    Walter Pitts
    Peter Medawar
    Leo Szilard
    Edward Teller
    Stanislaw Ulam
    Albert Einstein
    Hendrick van de Hulst
    Jan Oort
    Howard Aiken
    Ray Owen
    Willard Libby
    James Hey
    Fred Hoyle
    John Atanasoff
    Clifford Berry
    Samuel Williams
    Vannevar Bush
    Robert Oppenheimer
    Isadore Rabi
    Otto Hahn
    Fritz Strassman
    Hans Spemann
    George Stibitz
    Claude Shannon
    Alan Turing

    Merchants:
    Please make suggestions

    Engineers:
    Othmar Herrmann Ammann
    John Blume
    Felix Candela
    Edgar Cardoso
    Arthur Casagrande
    Eladio Dieste
    Elsie Eaves
    Eugene Freyssinet
    Ben Gerwick Jr.
    Fritz Leonhardt
    Tung-Yen Lin
    Robert Maillart
    Ralph Modjeski
    Pier Luigi Nervi
    Ralph Peck
    Egor Popov
    Ian Hindmarsh Ring
    John Savage
    A. Skempton
    David Steinman
    John Stevens
    Karl von Terzaghi

    Generals:
    Wladyslaw Anders
    Harold Alexander
    Claude Auchinleck
    Lin Biao
    Thomas Blamey
    Simon Buckner Jr.
    Omar Bradley
    Lord Alan Brooke
    Vasily Chuikov
    Mark Clark
    Michael Creagh
    Adrian De Wiart
    Henry Crerar
    Alan Cunningham
    Andrew Cunningham
    Miles Dempsey
    Petre Dumitrescu
    Zhu De
    Dwight Eisenhower
    Simon Fraser
    Bernard Freyberg
    Hermann Goering
    William Gott
    Rodolfo Graziani
    Heinz Guderian
    Brian Horrocks
    Albert Kesselring
    Marie Pierre Koenig
    Ivan Konev
    Walter Krueger
    Jean de Lattre de Tassigny
    Philippe Leclerc
    Oliver Leese
    Douglas MacArthur
    Stanislaw Maczek
    Carl Mannerheim
    Mitsuru Ushijima
    Walther Model
    Bernard Montgomery
    Leslie Morshead
    Louis Mountbatten
    Omar Mukhtar
    Prince Higashikuni Naruhiko
    Chester Nimitz
    Richard O'Connor
    George Patten
    Friedrich Paulus
    Matthew Ridgway
    Neil Ritchie
    Konstantin Rokossovsky
    Gerd von Rundstedt
    Erich von Manstein
    Franc Stane
    William Slim
    Alfred Schlemm
    Raymond Spruance
    Kurt Student
    Dragoljub Mihailovic
    Josip Tito
    Aleksandr Vasilevsky
    Archibald Wavell
    Nikolai Vatutin
    Kliment Voroshilov
    Chen Yi
    Georgy Zhukov
     
  2. PinkPallin

    PinkPallin Chieftain Supporter

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    Some Italian Generals in WW2 (more appropriate than Graziani...):
    gen. Adolfo Infante - "Enemy tanks rush behind Ariete. Thus Ariete surrounded. Ariete tanks fighting."
    gen. Enrico Frattini - Folgore!
    gen. Gabriele Nasci - 100.000 ice mess tins

    Being Italian generals in WW2, we're not talking of winners, of course.
    But I think that a little explanation on why I chose these three is due.

    Gen. Infante, commander of armoured division Ariete at El Alamein; what I quoted is the last message from his HQ, before the total annihilation of the division.

    Gen. Frattini, commander of the paratroopers division Folgore. His 5.900 men resisted for a week on the southern edge of the El Alamein front the attack by four infantry and two armoured divisions, until they were ordered to retreat. During the retreat the survivors went out of ammunition and water, and finally all the 294 of them were captured.

    Gen. Nasci, commander of the Alpine Corps in Russia. In January 1943 his three divisions were still holding their positions on river Don, whilst the rest of the front had been smashed by the Russian Operation Saturn. On the 17th, surrounded, they were finally ordered to retreat to the new front line; they put their 75mm WW1 howitzers (the only heavy armament they had, being mountain troops) on the sledges and left their trenches. After two weeks marching by feet in the Russian winter, opening their way through some 25 battles, nearly 11.000 of the originally 51.000 Alpini reached the friend lines.
     
  3. Virulent

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    Are the GP going to be country/culture specific?

    I've seen Germany get Patton as a GG twice which I thought was pretty funny.
     
  4. MrBurns

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    Dale, first thank you for making these cool scenarios. Im havin a lot of fun playing them. Regarding your merchants: check here:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/industrialist

    Some of them maybe too recent but most will do i think.

    I also have some other names.

    John D. Rockefeller

    John Maynard Keynes

    Milton Friedman

    Arthur Cecil Pigou

    Irving Fisher

    Lionel Charles Robbins


    Hope its enough. Good luck with the scenario, im looking forward to it.

    BTW: dont forget to add Montgomery Burns (Should be a smiley here but i still dont know how to)
     
  5. Evie

    Evie Pronounced like Eevee

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    I have not played the mod yet, so I don't know if they're in already or something, but both Howard Hughes and Henry Ford could have a case made for them.
     
  6. manningscolts18

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    Did you have Erwin Rommel up in Generals.
    Probably the most famous Nazi General.
     
  7. Paasky

    Paasky Good News Everyone!

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    Who's George Patten?
     
  8. Dale

    Dale Chieftain

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    Patton. Spelling mistake. ;)
     
  9. PinkPallin

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    Probably the most famous German General....
     
  10. Dale

    Dale Chieftain

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    Rommel's in, so's those three Italians.
     
  11. Fuyutski

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    Engineer

    Ferdinand Porsche - He could also be put as a Merchant. He founded the companies Porsche, and later Volkswagen at the following of Hitler. He also helped design and manufacture several tanks used by the Wehrmacht.

    Merchant

    Ernst Hanfstaengl - He was a wealthy patron of Hitler, who helped Hitler get to the spot of Fuhrer. He later deserted the Germans, and fled. He later served Franklin Roosevelt by giving information on the Nazi Regime.

    General

    Tomoyuki Yama****a - Known as the Tiger of Malay. A Brilliant Strategist and General who captured both Malaysia and the heavily defended Singapore, which was the largest surrender of British-led personnel in history, he also played a hand a conquering the Philippines. Unjustly sentenced to death in 1946.
     
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  13. Dale

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    I've checked out Gaius Octavius's civ-specific GP's, and quite frankly it would be a nightmare for this mod. Each civ requires a separate UU to initiate for each GP type. That's 30-odd civs each with UU's for each GP type. :eek:

    Until a better solution is made, that's not gunna happen sorry.
     
  14. Bart133

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    I'm not sure if any of these have been used yet, but how about:
    • Werner von Braun - Engineer or Scientist
    • Werner Heisenberg - Scientist
    • Hjalmar Siilasvuo (sort of obscure, but not only did he decisively win every major battle he participated in, but he also, near the end of the war, decisively defeated Germany) - General?
     
  15. Paasky

    Paasky Good News Everyone!

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    How about the unitname modcomp I remember somewhere here. Just tweak it to check the civ, and then select the next free name?
     
  16. nemt

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    Could you please use real artists instead?

    It's a nice tribute, but this is supposed to be a historic simulation...
     
  17. 208

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    A historical simulation is quite a different beast from a game based on history. A historical simulation places the emphasis on the historical aspect, as opposed to gameplay, where the two conflict. My personal feeling is that Dale is attempting to make a game, not a historical simulation (and IMO, Civ4 is a poor choice of a base for a historical simulation - it simply doesn't have the fine-grained control that would be required).
     
  18. nemt

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    How about great spies? There are plenty of well know spies and special operatives from the era.
     
  19. nemt

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    Some Italian suggestions from a forgotten theater:

    generals-

    Luigi Frusci: Defended Italian position in Sudan despite being cut off from supply line and ordered to withdraw to Eritrea. Last Italian regular army officer to mount defense in AOI.

    Amedeo Guillet: Famous horseman and cavalry commander, led relatively successful cavalry (ie: horses and sabers) charge against British forces, second last in history. He's also the only living person to have commanded cavalry forces in any war today.

    spies-

    Rosa Dainelli: Italian doctor, infiltrated British ammunition stores and destroyed entire supply of prototype weaponry (some sort of heavy machinegun, forget model number) and ammo. Somehow survived the blast.

    Francesco De Martini: Became guerilla leader after fall of AOI, actively recruited natives to resist British forces and sabotage British positions.
     
  20. c0d5579

    c0d5579 General Know-It-All

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    Apologies for organization on this; it's more or less organized as I thought of it.

    Engineers:
    Robert Moses - Era-correct, though not really active during war for funding reasons, major highway builder in New York City.
    Leslie Groves - Coordinator for the atomic-bomb project.
    Walther Gropius - Inventor of the Bauhaus architectural school.
    Werner von Braun.
    Andrei Nikolayevich Tupolev
    Artem Mikoyan
    Mikhail Koshkin - Lead engineer on the T-34. Posthumously awarded Stalin Prize for his work.

    Merchants:
    Alfried Krupp - The man who actually ran Krupp during the war.
    Gustav Krupp von Boehlen und Halbach - The titular head of the Krupp armaments dynasty during the '30s and '40s. Thoroughly senile by the '40s, but very influential in the '30s.
    Hjalmar H. G. Schacht - Hitler's finance minister, the man responsible for the first German economic miracle and the tie between Hitler and the bankers.
    David Rockefeller - The man behind Chase Manhattan.

    Generals:
    Claire Chennault - Commanded American volunteer pilots in China pre-war, re-commissioned Dec '41.
    William O. Darby - Only US general promoted posthumously in the war. Built, trained, and led Ranger organization in Europe until Cisterna in 1943. Certainly appropriate to give massive experience boost to a unit.
    James Gavin - Commander of the US 82nd Airborne, later XVIII Airborne Corps.
    Joseph Stilwell - US commander in Burma, analogous to William Slim, with many of the same qualities, minus humility and diplomacy.
    Maxwell Taylor - Commander of the US 101st Airborne, stayed in well into Vietnam.
    Lucian C. Truscott - US infantry divisional commander in Italy, moved up to Corps level. Like Bradley, a solid all-around commander.
    Orde Wingate - Arguably qualified British special-operations brain in Burma
    Willhelm Bittrich - Commander, 2e SS Panzerkorps during Market-Garden.
    Karl Doenitz - Commander, U-Boat Force.
    Adolf Galland - Commander, JG51 and eventually General der Jagdflieger. If you're including Goering...
    Gunther von Kluge - Von Rundstedt's replacement on the Western Front in '44.
    Hasso von Manteuffel - German armored commander and postwar politician. Overall commander of penetration that reached Meuse and encircled Bastogne in Dec '44.
    Erich Raeder - Commander, Kriegsmarine.
    Kurita Takeo - Commanded Japan's last remaining naval combat forces at Leyte Gulf.
    Nagumo Chuichi - Commanded Japan's carrier forces early in the war, led fleet at Midway.
    Yamamoto Isoroku - Surprised he isn't already listed.


    Spies:
    Wilhelm Canaris - Arguable on whether "great" or not, but head of the Abwehr.
    Reinhardt Heydrich - Head of the SS counterintelligence division, arguably Hitler's greatest overachiever.
    Otto Skorzeny - Most of the missions Skorzeny carried out were nowhere near militarily significant, but served some intelligence function. He was hardly a spymaster, though.
    William Donovan - Head of the OSS. Already in Civ4 personality list.
    J. Edgar Hoover - Head of the FBI. Already in personality list.

    Prophets and Propagandists:
    Joseph Goebbels
    Norman Rockwell
    Vyacheslav Molotov

    Scientists:
    Niels Bohr
    Werner Heisenberg
     

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