Great Work Themes

[SnuggilyD]

Can anyone provide some additional insight themeing great works in art museums etc...?

Is it correct that to get a theme in say an art museum, all 3 works need to be the same type (religious, sculpture, etc...) but have to be by different artists?

Is there anyway to theme a wonder that has a mixture of great work types, such as writing and music?

I managed to theme an archaeological museum, but I'm not 100% certain how it happened. All 3 pieces were from city state-barbarian battles, but the pieces I choose were from two different city states and one from the barbs. Not sure what the game cared about in this instance.

Any help is appreciated as the theme appears to be very powerful.

 

[MadDjinn]

yes, the theming works off of the type of art as well as always needing to be different artists.

so 3 sculptures from 3 different artists would be a themed art museum.

Wonders don't do theming, so toss anything that can't fit a theme into them.

archaeological museums theme based upon the era first, then each artifact has to be from different civs/etc.

So -- ancient era (all): Your civ, Barbarians, city state

you also may not move artifacts unless it is to another archaeological museum that is also full.

the tooltip on the first slot of either museum type will tell you want it's looking for wrt the theme. The first slot sets the theme wrt both type/era and artists/artifact.

 

[DonPato]

It really stinks that wonders don't theme... I mean, part of of the purpose of investing the time into a wonder is to maximize benefits from it, right? If anything they should theme even more, or provide a theming bonus regardless of whether there is any particular theme in them or something.

 

[MadDjinn]

it would be nice to see themes for wonders, yes. Though many wonders are split type slots (writing + music) so some of the theming could end up weird.

 

[DonPato]

it would be nice to see themes for wonders, yes. Though many wonders are split type slots (writing + music) so some of the theming could end up weird.

What if the benefit to having a wonder with GWs was that they themed regardless of what you placed in the slots? This could still allow you to use wonders as a depository for GWs that don't fit in other places, but it would also make them much more enticing and worth the investment of going for them.

 

[MadDjinn]

really at this point, the art holding wonders are more enticing if you're going full culture because you don't always have the slots to put art in anyways.

 

[Feyd Rautha]

FYI you can "move" art pieces and artifacts which are currently "locked" by taking a piece of art or an artifact you can move and placing it in that piece's slot. I imagine this will go on the fix list along with the sell exploit and xp from 0 HP bombarding.

 

[mice]

It's hardly worth trying to theme works of art when there are other so powerful ways to get tourism, like seaside resorts and archeology

 

[SnuggilyD]

It seems like archaeological musuems are much simpler to theme, i built 2 and themed them both without much work. but hoarding artists over long periods of time to try to line up all the types just doesn't seem worth it

Also, I could have sworn that my artifacts were from different eras...

 

[CaiusDrewart]

I've won at least 5 Cultural Victories and I have never managed to theme an Art Museum. The game makes that incredibly hard.

Archaeology Museums, on the other hand, practically theme themselves. (They literally theme themselves if you play England!)

I agree that it's a total bummer that Wonders don't theme. Right now stuff like Broadway/Hermitage/Sydney Opera House are seriously underwhelming, especially when you consider how absurdly expensive they all are.

 

[Ulthwithian]

I've themed a couple of Art Museums.

There should be an achievement for Theming an Art Museum with Sculpture, though. Does anyone besides Donatello even give you Sculpture?

Art Museums may be harder to theme, but they don't require production to do so. Unlike Archaeology Museums.

 

[stormtrooper412]

I've themed a couple of Art Museums.

There should be an achievement for Theming an Art Museum with Sculpture, though. Does anyone besides Donatello even give you Sculpture?

Art Museums may be harder to theme, but they don't require production to do so. Unlike Archaeology Museums.

a fair few of those. But I had like 4 artists all having different kind of stuff, so it was impossible to theme anything. Maybe you can trade with AI

 

[Paramecium]

I have to say, wonders giving additional theming boni would be quite much imo. Wonders already are very potent imo. Only the Great Libary is not that good imo, so it would be nice if it would have one. Oxford on the other side is one of the most powerfull wonders and one big help if you want to rush the science victory. Making it even more powerfull for the culture victory would be quite too much imo.

But yeah, theming art museums is really pedestrian. In most cases, you want get many great artists in a row and getting 3 GA who all are making one type of art piece seems very luck luster to me. So you have to deal or steal. Until now, I couldnt really get sth stolen, so I dont know how viable that strategy is. On the other hand, you can make deals with the AI about Great Works, but in the diplomacy trade screen, you just have the names of the GW, sure you can see if it is a writing or a painting, but you have no information about the details. The only way to get those information is, that you have to look at the Great People tab, go to recruted ones and look there for someone needed and then you can hope, that the AI will trade with you.
A simple mouseover information popup in the diplomacy trade screen would hugely help in that matter ...

So yeah, I have to agree, archaeology museums are better, sure you have to invest hammers in the archaeologist, but archaeology sites can spawn inside your empire on unimproved tiles and will block it for any improvement (not sure if it even blocks districts and wonders), so sooner or later you want to get rid of them anyways, because they have no other use. Another downside, you have to wait for the civic longer then the GA, to get your archaeology museum started with works.

And until now, im playing just on emperor, but after I finished my current game, I will move on to immortal, but until now, on King and Emperor at least, it doesnt seem to be that the AI is hunting artifacts like it did in BNW. But on the other hand, the AI can go crazy with the GP. I already have the feeling, that GP are the new wonders in Civ 6. Wonders will be hunted by the AI too, but I just got beaten once by it for an important one (Ruhr Valley), so I was really disappointed. But the AI beat me several times to GM and GE even with Japan having in all my cities CH and IZ and using projects, so I missed James Watt (one of the MOST important ones imo) and those with the unique luxuries.
Same goes for Great Artist/Musician/Writers, if you are unlucky to have Russia ingame, it will need a big investment to get some Great culture people.

So long terms short, yeah, archaeology is better then Art, the Museum even gives the same GPP, only downsides are needed production and it takes longer to get to the point to get your archaeologist working, because of the civic needed for it.

 

[Cyde042]

yes, the theming works off of the type of art as well as always needing to be different artists.

so 3 sculptures from 3 different artists would be a themed art museum.

Wonders don't do theming, so toss anything that can't fit a theme into them.

archaeological museums theme based upon the era first, then each artifact has to be from different civs/etc.

So -- ancient era (all): Your civ, Barbarians, city state

you also may not move artifacts unless it is to another archaeological museum that is also full.

the tooltip on the first slot of either museum type will tell you want it's looking for wrt the theme. The first slot sets the theme wrt both type/era and artists/artifact.

When I put 2 relics inside Mont. St. Michel, it doubled the outputs. Since I had Reliquaries belief (triples faiths from relics), I got 48 faith from 2 relics.

 

[Feyd Rautha]

I have themed some Art Museums, but you have to basically rush the first few artists to get enough religious pieces. I think the other big thing of it is that it becomes very difficult unless the AI is also burning through great artists. If I'm the only one getting artists there aren't enough periods (and therefore types) of art out there to theme when you get that ONE statue from an artist (or three of the same from an artist).