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Great Works Bonus Combinations

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by Phoenix1595, Jul 7, 2013.

  1. Phoenix1595

    Phoenix1595 Lord of the Two Lands

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    According to the BNW info page, there are apparently tourism bonuses if certain combinations of Great Works are matched together or with certain slotted wonders and buildings. Certainly it makes the GW swapping in diplomacy even more relevant. However, I haven't seen much (if any) info on the exact combinations-- does anyone know?

    Presumably, certain Great Works match with wonders that directly relate to them (i.e. The Globe and Macbeth/William Shakespeare, Broadway and Gershwin, etc.). Is there any definitive info on these bonus combos? I doubt all of these combinations will be known until enough people play through BNW and discover them. Should be fun though!
     
  2. TheMarshmallowBear

    TheMarshmallowBear Benelovent Chieftain of the BearKingdom

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    This is what they are referring to, Themeing Bonuse.
     
  3. Mercade

    Mercade the Counsellor

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  4. moysturfurmer

    moysturfurmer Emperor

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    i was hoping they'd be more interesting. Like, having to stick an artillery shell artifact in the same building as The Red Badge of Courage and and that Dixieland.

    o well i won't cry 4 2 long

    Also, does anyone have the list of Artifacts? I lost em.
     
  5. TheMarshmallowBear

    TheMarshmallowBear Benelovent Chieftain of the BearKingdom

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    It's smart on devs part to not include what you suggested, as we don't get to pick what great people we get NOR are they tied to any civs (which would often mean that some could be completely unrepresented and other overrepresnted).
     
  6. AlpsStranger

    AlpsStranger Jump jump on the tiger!

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    Exactly because, no offense, it would really suck to be the Shoshone vs the Greeks if it was the way moysturfurmer suggested.

    Civilization is a game first and foremost. Paradox Interactive is that way ----->

    They make great historical rail shooters, but this here is more of a sandbox.
     
  7. Phoenix1595

    Phoenix1595 Lord of the Two Lands

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    Thank you for cross-posting, King. I think it is a fun way to integrate Great Works into the game, albeit as flavor.
     
  8. moysturfurmer

    moysturfurmer Emperor

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    Ah my bad I totally forgot that each civ can only pop Great Works that were made by their irl counterparts that's a good point.

    edit: found the list of artifacts, lemme get detailed 4 a bit

    Spoiler :

    Beads
    Pottery Sherd
    Axe Head
    Shield
    Arrowheads
    Mask
    Amulet
    Coin
    Spear Tips
    Greaves
    Javelin Tips
    Necklace
    Pendant
    Longship
    Short Sword
    Breastplate
    Crossbow Bolts
    Chalice
    Statue
    Doubloon
    Two-Handed Sword
    Plate Armor
    Cannonball
    Crown
    Figurine
    Belt Buckle
    Bullets
    Saber
    Artillery Shell
    Earrings


    Okay, so what I mean was, if each great work/artifact was given certain inherent tags, then you'd be able to match tags for an extra bonus. For instance, a Crown artifact and Death of King Arthur can have the inherent tag of "Royalty", in addition to the era/civ tags that are generated when a GP pops the Great Work. Matching the two would thus give an extra bonus. The Three Musketeers/Red Badge of Courage could be tagged with "War", so matching them up with Saber's or Short Swords (also tagged "War") would be able to confer a bonus. Water Lillies and Statues and Mbube and the like could get a "Culture" tag, Great Gatsby and Coins and things could get a "Gold" tag etc.

    They could get really specific too, like Holst's Saturn, Durer's St Jerome in His Study, and Petrarch's Il Canzoniere could all get a "Neo Platonist" tag, and confer a bonus that way.

    I mean, sure, it's probably needlessly complicated, but only if you're one of those nerds who NEEDS to min/max in every game they play.

    idk idc fi
     
  9. AlpsStranger

    AlpsStranger Jump jump on the tiger!

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    Sorry, I thought that's what you were implying moysturfurmer.
     
  10. Ogrelord

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    I think it complicates thing too much. Just try to get the Louvre theming bonus is quite a task in itself.

     
  11. AlpsStranger

    AlpsStranger Jump jump on the tiger!

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    Yeah, but it is a big bonus.
     
  12. Ogrelord

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    Especially if you are France.

    Just to be clear, I meant that having different subcategory for artifacts is the complicating part. It wouldn't add much to gameplay.
     
  13. EEE_BOY

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    Is there any rule of thumb to remember the theme bonus? at least some translation. The code is great, but very hard to remember :crazyeye:
     
  14. oddtail

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    Can you get the same theming bonus multiple times from, say, Museums?

    I honestly hope not, because trying to get a different bonus in various Museums would be a lot of fun...
     
  15. EEE_BOY

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    Why not? so long as you have enough great works.
     
  16. oddtail

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    I just think it would be more flavourful if every theming bonus HAD to be different.

    Besides, with so many different Museum bonuses, it seems it'll hardly be possible NOT to get one of those or another. Which makes them much, much less meaningful. Making each of them available only once would help preserve the challenge of actually getting them.
     
  17. TheMarshmallowBear

    TheMarshmallowBear Benelovent Chieftain of the BearKingdom

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    You have to understand that while I'm not opposed to your idea, themeing bonuses would be impossible to get, because you don't pick which artist you get, it's all random, hell, you might not even get Da Vinci in a single game and say if you had him and say they had great inventions then yoou could never have a themeing bonus.

    They need to draw a line in some cases somewhere, people seem to ignore the fact that Civ 5 series has never been a simulation, it's been a strategy game...
     
  18. stealth_nsk

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    Am I understand correctly that this info is not shown in Civilopedia?

    I'm hoping that by worldwide release, there will be a mod with ingame help on theming bonuses. This will be the first mod I'll install in the game.
     
  19. MadDjinn

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    The tooltip tells you exactly what you need for a theming bonus, so there's no need to go find a civpedia mod for it ;)
     
  20. EEE_BOY

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    No, the bonus is supposed to be hidden, but knowing how it works helps planning and trading artifacts.
     

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