Greece - Antiquity Age Civilization Discussion

[moysturfurmer]

Plato. "Activated on an Acropolis"? Guys, he FOUNDED the original Akademia outside Athens. Why isn't he activated on an Academy if anybody is?

Well the argument could be made, not that I’m making it, that if Plato founded the original Academy then requiring him to be used on an academy would imply that it existed before him

 

[The Fanatical]

I'm sure Alexander will be back.

Also, Greece did get a "writer" in the form of Sappho, so that's a win for me.

Oh, Alexander will definitely return. My only wish is that the Hetairoi will return as a Unique Leader Unit as well.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Oh, Alexander will definitely return. My only wish is that the Hetairoi will return as a Unique Leader Unit as well.

Upon second glance the second "Agoge" civic branch is highly militaristic in nature.

 

[AriochIV]

We have already seen what I presume to be the Hoplite in previous videos.

 

[Lord Lakely]

Upon second glance the second "Agoge" civic branch is highly militaristic in nature.

That makes sense as it was the recruitment system Sparta used.

Ekklesia, the other branch references Athens (all Greek polises had assemblies, I KNOW Boris_Gudenuf), and their invention of democracy.

If they don't pick a political or military leader then Homer, Aeschylus, Sophocles, Euripides, Herodotus, Thucydides or Archimedes are potential choices.

The fact that Archimedes is missing completely from the Greek list of logoi, points towards him potentially being the Greek leader. Greece is one of the best Civs for a non-leader pick.

 

[Zaarin]

The fact that Archimedes is missing completely from the Greek list of logoi, points towards him potentially being the Greek leader. Greece is one of the best Civs for a non-leader pick.

Even if the Assyrians invented the Archimedes screw first.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

The fact that Archimedes is missing completely from the Greek list of logoi, points towards him potentially being the Greek leader. Greece is one of the best Civs for a non-leader pick.

I'll only accept him if he comes with an Archimedes Claw UU.

 

[Zaarin]

Due to ages, I'd be highly surprised to see any unique units or infrastructure attached to leaders in Civ7.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

Oh, Alexander will definitely return. My only wish is that the Hetairoi will return as a Unique Leader Unit as well.

Only the Agema, the 'Spearhead Squadron' - that's where all the senior officers and nobles were when they didn't have a separate command, like Ptolemy at the Battle of Gaugamela (Arrian used his autobiography for his account of the battle, and it is entirely from the viewpoint looking over Alexander's shoulder, who led the Agema as usual)

We have already seen what I presume to be the Hoplite in previous videos.

Sigh. It's such a simple thing to get right. The Lambda (upside down 'V') on the shield was the State symbol of Sparta (Lacaedemon) and it is consistently described in Greek contemporary accounts as being Red ("The Red Lambdas gleaming . . .") not white or green or whatever. I realize that the colors of shields and uniforms and crests are being used to show (presumably) troops from different Civs (or, I believe the black and white scheme may be reserved for City States/minor powers) but in that case NOBODY would be carrying a shield with a Lambda on it: the Spartans would be Not Pleased if you tried that, and they were not people you wanted Not Pleased with you.

 

[Hellenism Salesman]

There was Greece. And the Greece man was happy.

 

[Paisley_Trees]

Would have loved to see Greece into Abbasids instead of Greece into Normans! Maybe we still will? Especially since the Abbasids translated and revived so much Greek intellectual culture. I’m not sure I see the connection between Greece and Normans besides geographical maybe, but definitely not my area of specialty.

 

[AriochIV]

Would have loved to see Greece into Abbasids instead of Greece into Normans! Maybe we still will? Especially since the Abbasids translated and revived so much Greek intellectual culture. I’m not sure I see the connection between Greece and Normans besides geographical maybe, but definitely not my area of specialty.

It looks like you can choose almost any civ you want if you can meet the required criteria.

 

[Paisley_Trees]

It looks like you can choose almost any civ you want if you can meet the required criteria.

Oh for sure, I wonder how easy or hard some of them will be! I’m excited to make historical connections between civs the developers might have not thought of or is more obscure through this option. I just meant they’ve already revealed both, and to me it’s such an interesting bit of history that I would love to be highlighted by the game. Especially since I would argue they’re making didactic claims through the civ switching mechanic, and I would love for it to be more grounded in some historical fact rather than geographic

 

[Krikkit1]

It looks like you can choose almost any civ you want if you can meet the required criteria.

Except most of the required criteria seem to be “Play as X Civ”

So Greeks unlock the Normans, that may just be one of their Regional unlocks and not a Historical unlock.

But they will probably unlock multiple civs (Like Egypt does, and probably like Rome does)

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

It looks like you can choose almost any civ you want if you can meet the required criteria.

From the hints and glimpses, it appears that you have a "historical" progression based on the Civ choice (the much-discussed Egypt to Abbasid, or Rome to Norman), But you also have other choices based on your Civ or Leader or some other criteria.

For instance, the criteria for choosing Mongolia in Exploration Age so far is only given as "Requires 3 Horse Resources". Unless they are hiding something, that means Egypt, Maurya, Greece or Rome could become Mongolia if any of them have 3 Horse resources.

The AI may be programmed to make a First Choice of the 'historical' progression, but Human gamers aren't.

And (and I would be very surprised if they haven't already thought of this) they could open up the choices even more if the 'Historical" progressions also had another Unlock Condition. For instance, if Egypt does not choose Abbasid, someone else who had chosen a certain Religious Pantheon or combination of Religious/Social Policy could choose it.

That, of course, runs the risk of falling into the Humankind Trap where choices are so potentially wide that it becomes confusing, but having limited the system to only two choices (Exploration and Modern Ages) I think that is a risk worth taking.

 

[8housesofelixir]

With the expanded leader pool, I can certainly see Alcibiades becoming the Greek leader.

Dude could become the Civ 6 Alexander of Civ 7.

 

[IdiotStyle]

modern france could have architects as unique units. (le corbusier,gustave eiffel,haussman, viollet le duc and others)
Also think alexandre should be for macedonia as they did with civ 6, greece there is not at all military and would not fit him. I know you can mix leaders but you want your leader to fit your historical nation playstyle a bit.

 

[Josephias]

I would go with Greek Key immediately.

Unfortunately, most cool symbols are already taken by far right movements

Plus

Sigh. It's such a simple thing to get right. The Lambda (upside down 'V') on the shield was the State symbol of Sparta (Lacaedemon) and it is consistently described in Greek contemporary accounts as being Red ("The Red Lambdas gleaming . . .")

I’m afraid we’re going to get a lot of inconsistencies like this, as now the selection of jersey colors will be not directly related to the civ. Glaring-funny combinations could be a white-on-blue soviet star, in example. I’m also looking forward for a blue-on-yellow danish-norman lion (added to the the Ethiopian one we’ve already seen) and you may imagine many others as well. Well, I imagine, on the good side, you can imagine playing Florence by setting france with a red on white or red on lilac jersey

 

[Thormodr]

Greece looks pretty cool. I really like how each Civ is unique. They are really differentiating them.

 

[Bonyduck Campersang]

Unfortunately, most cool symbols are already taken by far right movements

Take 'em back then