This loyalty modifier makes some sense, I think... after all, there's probably residual loyalty if you conquer a city but what determines it? In a war with the Zulu now, two cities are -1.8 each, capital is -3.3...
Roman cities which I conquered and then wiped out Trajan are at -10 - is that permanent?
Roman cities which I conquered and then wiped out Trajan are at -10 - is that permanent?