Grigori and the Altar victory

[Meister Maggi]

Hi,

I have problems building the altar. I know that I can use Luonotars for that (since Prophets are rather difficult to obtain) but for some strange reason I cannot sacrifice one of my Luonotars in my capital. The symbol for building an altar (in the way I know it from other civs) is not even there. Did I miss anything?

 

[smjjames]

Well either you don't have the tech to build that stage yet or there is something else going on.

I haven't played the Grigori, so I'm not entirely sure.

 

[Popcornlord]

The Grigori are very anti-religion (I think), so it would make sense if they couldn't build the Alter. Or you could just not have the right technology.

 

[Meister Maggi]

Then I opt for something else.

I am about to discover the tech for the altar VII but I cannot build the first one...

 

[Mewtarthio]

The Luonnatar can no longer build the Altar of the Luonnatar. That's somewhat annoying, since it's a little unthematic.

 

[smjjames]

I agree with you there.

Maggi, maybe you could use the worldbuilder to give yourself a great prophet if you have used the Grigiori worldspell and it's at the point where it takes a long time to generate a great person. If you haven't used thier worldspell yet, you can use it and make a whole bunch of priest specialists in one city to get a few GPs quickly.

 

[Ur_Vile_Wedge]

It be hard to make priests with the Grigori, given that you can never build a temple......

 

[smjjames]

It be hard to make priests with the Grigori, given that you can never build a temple......

doh, you're right. There are a few wonders that do give GP points for the great prophet that might work. Having never played the Grigiori though, that might not work.

Also what is with these damn ad popups that keep coming up on the bottom or top of the forum screen??? it started happening a few days ago.

 

[Mewtarthio]

A suggestion I had earlier was to tie the Altar-building spells to promotions, rather than units (eg Altar I, Altar II, etc). You'd need the correct "level" of the promotion to build a certain level of the Altar. Great Prophets get all the promotions for free (possibly only if they pop in non-Evil civs, to prevent the Veil from hoarding up Prophets), while the Luonnatar only get Altar I for free, but can purchase the rest normally on level-ups. Nobody else gets these promotions.
This way, the Grigori can spend Luonnatar on early levels fairly easily, but they eventually need to use dedicated adventurers to get to the higher levels.

doh, you're right. There are a few wonders that do give GP points for the great prophet that might work. Having never played the Grigiori though, that might not work.

It works in theory. In practice, however, you're passing up on the opportunity to get your civ's main draw (Adventurers) while focusing on something that doesn't help you very much (religious wonders, techs, etc) in order to do something you can't even do very well (generate Prophets... slowly) that gives out a benefit that's completely irrelevant to you (better disciples), all in the hopes that you might eventually win, albeit at a much slower pace than just about every other civ in the game except maybe the Illians.

 

[mtagge]

You could always go with the civic that allows unlimited priests, pop the world spell after your next GP and then get the number of prophets in a few turns.

 

[Meister Maggi]

Thanks for all the answers; what a stupid change - in particular since the pedia still says that I could use the luonotar like that (I never played the Grigori before either); the unlimited priests option seems fine though my already advanced and I win much faster now by simply conquering my enemies