Growing Poverty in the Worlds Last Superpower

I really haven't read anything much more than the first post. Here's my take: if true, it's because so many people have gotten so use to sucking off the government nipple (and/or the idea that everyone has a right to), they don't know any other way.
 
You have a point, you know, Colonel Kraken.

Destroy all the homeless shelters, and pretty soon there WON'T be any poor people left. An excellent solution, don't you think? :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by Pontiuth Pilate
You have a point, you know, Colonel Kraken.

Destroy all the homeless shelters, and pretty soon there WON'T be any poor people left. An excellent solution, don't you think? :rolleyes:

Why tear them down and wait when you can nail the doors shut, set fire to them and be done with the lot in an evening?
 
set fire to them and be done with the lot in an evening?

"Done" is probably a bad word choice there :cringe: After all, we all know the homeless are best when they're rare! :ack:
 
rare is ok, but nonexistent is better.......
 
here's a good end to poverty, how about all of the stupid people of this generation stop dropping out of high school and actually try and make something of their lives.
 
Hmmm.... you failed to get the import of the words [well] "done" and "rare"... ;) It was a tasteless joke anyway... :cringe: I did it again didn't I?

Chosen One, all poor people are highschool dropouts? Kind of a hasty generalization there. If everyone stayed in school, there'd be no poor people? We'd all be CEOs?
 
I got it, and redirected........


Listen to Pilate Chosen one, there is no data to support a correlation between education and economic success............better to drop out and get your money for free from the government........it's a safe bet.
 
All developed nations have roughly the same amount of poverty. It's just a question of how willing a government is to bend over and take it from society's less-competant.
 
Or to put it another way it is just a question of how willing a populace is to care for its most disadvantaged. As you say the amount of poverty is about the same, so what do you do for/about them? Ignoring or berating them will not make them go away.
 
Originally posted by Gothmog
Or to put it another way it is just a question of how willing a populace is to care for its most disadvantaged. As you say the amount of poverty is about the same, so what do you do for/about them? Ignoring or berating them will not make them go away.

What can I do for them? Giving them unearned wealth will not help (in any situation). Perhaps poverty is simply one of those inevitable societal conditions, considering every nation in the history of man has had some impoverished citizens.

And I reject that "disadvantaged" stuff. So long as a human isn't being held back by a tyrand (or some other threat of violence), he is capable of achieving virtually anything.
 
I agree that poverty is simply one of those inevitable societal conditions, it's the nature of the beast. I am not suggesting giving them unearned wealth, but do you let them starve in the street with their children? The question becomes do you provide them with food? with shelter? with education? This is where politics and power come into play, and there is no 'right' decision. There is a balance between what an economy can afford to give, what helps preserve social stability, and what compassion dictates.

I believe that you are capable of achieving virtually anything at the moment, but this is not the general state of humanity. What about a person with an IQ of 70, i.e. borderline ********? Or a quadriplegic? Or someone with Downs? Or someone who works two jobs at minimum wage to support his crippled parents and still can't make ends meet? Or the children of a single parent with an IQ of 70 who is an alcoholic?

Many of us have a web of family that has helped us in ways we don’t always appreciate. Helps us with car insurance when we need it, gives us gifts for holidays, provides us with a safety net that allows us to take risks we might not be able to take otherwise. If you are trying to escape real poverty you do not have those advantages, in fact you may be asked to give some of the money you need for school to help feed your infant cousin.

There are some truly disadvantaged people in the world, in America, all you have to do is get involved in public assistance to find that out for yourself. They are as a rule not trying to make society ‘bend over and take it’ from them. Some of these people do drag themselves out of their untenable situations, but it is a long path. Typically it takes some assistance and one little slip (say getting in a car accident, or a serious illness) causes them to have to start all over again.
 
Originally posted by Hayek

According to most methods of measuring poverty, you are poor if you earn less than half of your country's medium wage. This means a whole lot of poor Americans still own a car, an apartment or a house and a computer.

I think it's the minimun salary, not the average.
 
Originally posted by Jorge


I think it's the minimun salary, not the average.
Earn less than half of the minimum wage? Is that possible? According to the UN's development programme (the UNDP), you're poor if you earn less than half of your country's medium wage. I'm quite sure on that.
 
By that standard, I am probably poor!

I have a new car, a very posh apartment, and a sizzling computer.

America's impoverished are India's wealthy tycoons.
 
Originally posted by FearlessLeader2
By that standard, I am probably poor!

I have a new car, a very posh apartment, and a sizzling computer.

America's impoverished are India's wealthy tycoons.
Its true. In America, poor people tend to be fatter than wealthy people.
 
In general poverty is an average number generated by the government looking at how much money is needed by a family unit to have the basic necessities covered. The original computation done in the mid 60's by the U.S. Department of Agriculture used information on food budgets designed for families under economic stress and data about what portion of their income families spent on food.

For an individual in america it is roughly 9200 dollars, for a family of four it is 18400. This is roughly one third of the median (most common) income.

http://www.census.gov/hhes/poverty/povdef.html
 
Considering the city i grew up in is poor as hell. My 10th grade class started with 600 students, when i graduated i only had 150 people in my graduating class. Generalization? i think not.
 
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