Guantanamo Bay detainee commits suicide

[Mr. Dictator]

Most prisoners don't have it as good as the ones in gitmo either. They eat better you do and better then the service men around them. They had AC and nice padded cots while the service men hat tents and hard cots. Gitmo isn't the Hilton but its far from the hell hole people make it out to be.

i take it you've been? or independant sources?

i find it hard to believe a prison get's a reputation for no reason...of course, like i said before...i haven't been.

 

[Sparta]

If it isn't obvious by now, I don't think you'll ever get it. Noncon supports the terrorists. He thinks that they are justified in killing Americans and American soldiers, so he couldn't care less when they die. You may want to start reading some of Noncon's posts. Hell, you should count yourself as lucky that he nor any other leftist has yet come in to say that the detainee was probably murdered and that the suicide was a cover story. I promise you that it will eventually happen.

Sympathy is now reserved for only those on your side, huh? Everyone is either "with you or against you", and every issue is simply black and white? How very Christian of you ...

Didn't your boy say something about what you do unto the least of these?

Here's a hint: it's Matthew 25. Oddly enough, it does not seem to make an exception for people you are currently prejudiced against.

We also have a peer written journel for Military Justice specialists which has run more than a few stories on the installation.

This one?

 

[warpus]

Gitmo isnt really any different than any other high security prison in the USA.

Let's see.. do prisoners in high security prisons in your country have their lights turned on in their cells 24/7? Are they forbidden to talk in groups of more than 3? Are they pumped full of truth drugs, deprived of sleep, beat, and forced to maintain uncomfortable postures?

Are any of them held without being charged?

 

[Neonanocyborgasm]

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6706635.stm

Am I supposed to be upset a terrorist died?

 

[nonconformist]

Am I supposed to be upset a terrorist died?

Again, can you give me:

a)A definition of "terorrist"
and
b)evidence this guy was?

 

[Sparta]

Am I supposed to be upset a terrorist died?

I don't know - I haven't seen anywhere in this thread where it was reported that a terrorist died.

Considering that we apparently find it appropriate to hold people for over five years with no charges, I'd be interested to know just how long the administration's apologists think that it should take to level a case against someone. If the countless people involved in this can't manage to prove a single thing in five years, the default assumption is still to be "terrorist"??

If we held a random person in Gitmo for fifty years without leveling a single charge against them, would you still assume they were guilty simply because we abducted them in the first place?

 

[classical_hero]

Shock horror, that someone killed them self just before going to trial. If this happened anywhere else, it would have been a dead story. Move along, nothing to see here.

 

[nonconformist]

Shock horror, that someone killed them self just before going to prison. If this happened anywhere else, it would have been a dead story. Move along, nothing to see here.

Before going to prison?
Dude, he's been held in a cocnentration camp for five years, I think he can handle the whole "going to prison" bit.

As for "going to prison", where do you infer that? The guy hasn't even been tried yet, let alone under an impartial jury in a real court of law.

 

[CartesianFart]

Again, can you give me:

a)A definition of "terorrist"
and
b)evidence this guy was?

How about if I reply a question of my own that is strikingly similar to your own.

a)A definition of "detainee"
and
b)evidence of what cause the guy to take his own life and the reason of supporting it to be so?

 

[Sparta]

How about if I reply a question of my own that is strikingly similar to your own.

a)A definition of "detainee"
and
b)evidence of what cause the guy to take his own life and the reason of supporting it to be so?

A

B

Care to attempt to answer noncon's now?

 

[skadistic]

i take it you've been? or independant sources?

i find it hard to believe a prison get's a reputation for no reason...of course, like i said before...i haven't been.

Been there through the wonder that is TV and other jurnalistic sources they are all out there for to you consume. And I talked face to face with some who served there. My buddy was living in a tent eating slop and using an out house while these "poor farmers" were eating special meals in air conditioned cells out fitted with plumbing and had all their little religious dogmas abided by.

And gitmo did get a rep for no reason. Its all the negative press about the place. Did you know that cooperative inmates get icecream and play soccer. Have any idea how many "poor farmers" were let go only to be picked up again? Do you know how many are there because their home countries don't want them back? All the complaints from these "poor farmers" came right out of the AQ hand book.

 

[Sparta]

Been there through the wonder that is TV and other jurnalistic sources they are all out there for to you consume. And I talked face to face with some who served there. My buddy was living in a tent eating slop and using an out house while these "poor farmers" were eating special meals in air conditioned cells out fitted with plumbing and had all their little religious dogmas abided by.

And gitmo did get a rep for no reason. Its all the negative press about the place. Did you know that cooperative inmates get icecream and play soccer. Have any idea how many "poor farmers" were let go only to be picked up again? Do you know how many are there because their home countries don't want them back? All the complaints from these "poor farmers" came right out of the AQ hand book.

And you honestly think that all these complaints from your military buddies, selectively televised locations, and talk of soccer and ice cream doesn't come right out of the CIA handbook?

 

[CartesianFart]

A

B

Care to attempt to answer noncon's now?

I was going to but instead i just want to let you know that not providing Habeus Corpus to unorthodox enemy combatants is the right deterrence against individuals that are involved in activities of guerilla or terrorist warfare.

 

[Sparta]

I was going to but instead i just want to let you know that not providing Habeus Corpus to unorthodox enemy combatants is the right deterrence against individuals that are involved in activities of guerilla or terrorist warfare.

Wow - misdirection (again), ducking the question (again), and an ad hominem all in one sentence. Careful you don't overexert your debating integrity there.

 

[nonconformist]

I was going to but instead i just want to let you know that not providing Habeus Corpus to unorthodox enemy combatants is the right deterrence against individuals that are involved in activities of guerilla or terrorist warfare.

There's absolutely no evidence any of these people were involved in any of the activities you describe.
In fact, there's pretty strong evidence a lot of them were turned over by local warlords and such because of the huge bounties the US paid to anyone who delivered alleged terrorists.

 

[CartesianFart]

Wow - misdirection (again), ducking the question (again), and a tu quoque ad hominem all in one sentence. Careful you don't overexert your debating integrity there.

Stating that i am committing an fallacy without giving me a reason of your conclusion, is a fallacious thing on your part.

 

[classical_hero]

Before going to prison?
Dude, he's been held in a cocnentration camp for five years, I think he can handle the whole "going to prison" bit.

As for "going to prison", where do you infer that? The guy hasn't even been tried yet, let alone under an impartial jury in a real court of law.

Well I meant going to trial, that was a miss thought of mine.

All of the people at the Gitmo right now were caugh in Iraq, so they would need to have a good reason why they were ther in the first place.

 

[nonconformist]

Well I meant going to trial, that was a miss thought of mine.

All of the people at the Gitmo right now were caugh in Iraq, so they would need to have a good reason why they were ther in the first place.

WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP! ERROR! ERROR!

Not a single one of them was captured in Iraq.

 

[CartesianFart]

There's absolutely no evidence any of these people were involved in any of the activities you describe.

Of course the evidence is not transparent for the public to have access to them since it is not something like our civilian courts.That is the reason why Gitmo exist near Cuba for to not be subjected to US courts.

In fact, there's pretty strong evidence a lot of them were turned over by local warlords and such because of the huge bounties the US paid to anyone who delivered alleged terrorists.

Tell me,have any been released based on inside inquiries conducted by the intelligence officials that say that we have detained the wrong person due to some manipulation of our intelligence gatherings of our sources(warlords or people seeking to fraud us for money)?
.

 

[nonconformist]

Of course the evidence is not transparent for the public to have access to them since it is not something like our civilian courts.That is the reason why Gitmo exist near Cuba for to not be subjected to US courts.

Sounds like a dangerous precedent to me, especially sicne it means "We can detain you indefinitely, but not show you the evidence ebcause we don't need to"

Tell me,have any been released based on inside inquiries conducted by the intelligence officials?
.

I beleive a couple have, yes.