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Guantanamo Bay detainee commits suicide

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by nonconformist, May 31, 2007.

  1. Mr. Dictator

    Mr. Dictator A Chain-Smoking Fox

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    i take it you've been? or independant sources?

    i find it hard to believe a prison get's a reputation for no reason...of course, like i said before...i haven't been.
     
  2. Sparta

    Sparta Emperor

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    Sympathy is now reserved for only those on your side, huh? Everyone is either "with you or against you", and every issue is simply black and white? How very Christian of you ...

    Didn't your boy say something about what you do unto the least of these?

    Here's a hint: it's Matthew 25. Oddly enough, it does not seem to make an exception for people you are currently prejudiced against.

    This one?
     
  3. warpus

    warpus In pork I trust

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    Let's see.. do prisoners in high security prisons in your country have their lights turned on in their cells 24/7? Are they forbidden to talk in groups of more than 3? Are they pumped full of truth drugs, deprived of sleep, beat, and forced to maintain uncomfortable postures?

    Are any of them held without being charged?
     
  4. Neonanocyborgasm

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  5. nonconformist

    nonconformist Miserable

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    Again, can you give me:

    a)A definition of "terorrist"
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    b)evidence this guy was?
     
  6. Sparta

    Sparta Emperor

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    I don't know - I haven't seen anywhere in this thread where it was reported that a terrorist died.

    Considering that we apparently find it appropriate to hold people for over five years with no charges, I'd be interested to know just how long the administration's apologists think that it should take to level a case against someone. If the countless people involved in this can't manage to prove a single thing in five years, the default assumption is still to be "terrorist"??

    If we held a random person in Gitmo for fifty years without leveling a single charge against them, would you still assume they were guilty simply because we abducted them in the first place?
     
  7. classical_hero

    classical_hero In whom I trust

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    Shock horror, that someone killed them self just before going to trial. If this happened anywhere else, it would have been a dead story. Move along, nothing to see here.
     
  8. nonconformist

    nonconformist Miserable

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    Before going to prison?
    Dude, he's been held in a cocnentration camp for five years, I think he can handle the whole "going to prison" bit.

    As for "going to prison", where do you infer that? The guy hasn't even been tried yet, let alone under an impartial jury in a real court of law.
     
  9. CartesianFart

    CartesianFart Deity

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    How about if I reply a question of my own that is strikingly similar to your own.;)

    a)A definition of "detainee"
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    b)evidence of what cause the guy to take his own life and the reason of supporting it to be so?
     
  10. Sparta

    Sparta Emperor

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    A

    B

    Care to attempt to answer noncon's now?
     
  11. skadistic

    skadistic Caomhanach

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    Been there through the wonder that is TV and other jurnalistic sources they are all out there for to you consume. And I talked face to face with some who served there. My buddy was living in a tent eating slop and using an out house while these "poor farmers" were eating special meals in air conditioned cells out fitted with plumbing and had all their little religious dogmas abided by.

    And gitmo did get a rep for no reason. Its all the negative press about the place. Did you know that cooperative inmates get icecream and play soccer. Have any idea how many "poor farmers" were let go only to be picked up again? Do you know how many are there because their home countries don't want them back? All the complaints from these "poor farmers" came right out of the AQ hand book.
     
  12. Sparta

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    :lol:

    And you honestly think that all these complaints from your military buddies, selectively televised locations, and talk of soccer and ice cream doesn't come right out of the CIA handbook?
     
  13. CartesianFart

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    I was going to but instead i just want to let you know that not providing Habeus Corpus to unorthodox enemy combatants is the right deterrence against individuals that are involved in activities of guerilla or terrorist warfare.
     
  14. Sparta

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    Wow - misdirection (again), ducking the question (again), and an ad hominem all in one sentence. Careful you don't overexert your debating integrity there.
     
  15. nonconformist

    nonconformist Miserable

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    There's absolutely no evidence any of these people were involved in any of the activities you describe.
    In fact, there's pretty strong evidence a lot of them were turned over by local warlords and such because of the huge bounties the US paid to anyone who delivered alleged terrorists.
     
  16. CartesianFart

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    Stating that i am committing an fallacy without giving me a reason of your conclusion, is a fallacious thing on your part.:rolleyes:
     
  17. classical_hero

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    Well I meant going to trial, that was a miss thought of mine.

    All of the people at the Gitmo right now were caugh in Iraq, so they would need to have a good reason why they were ther in the first place.
     
  18. nonconformist

    nonconformist Miserable

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    WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP! ERROR! ERROR!

    Not a single one of them was captured in Iraq.
     
  19. CartesianFart

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    Of course the evidence is not transparent for the public to have access to them since it is not something like our civilian courts.That is the reason why Gitmo exist near Cuba for to not be subjected to US courts.

    Tell me,have any been released based on inside inquiries conducted by the intelligence officials that say that we have detained the wrong person due to some manipulation of our intelligence gatherings of our sources(warlords or people seeking to fraud us for money)?
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  20. nonconformist

    nonconformist Miserable

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    Sounds like a dangerous precedent to me, especially sicne it means "We can detain you indefinitely, but not show you the evidence ebcause we don't need to"

    I beleive a couple have, yes.
     

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