Guantanamo: "Dangerous terrorist"? or "no reason recorded for transfer"?

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  1. bathsheba666

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13184845

    Well we can see why the US is victimising Bradley Manning. In their own words, they have no idea why many of the people were sent there.

    It would be interesting to see what intelligence was obtained by waterboarding individuals with no links to terrorism? Also what kind of carefully structured questions were put to individuals when the interrogator had no idea why they were there.
     
  2. bathsheba666

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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/25/guantanamo-files-lift-lid-prison


    The Guardian links includes links to the files, and a US document prepared for interrogators to enable them to assess and break down their subjects' cover stories. Naturally, the subject of establishing innocence, even by chance, is not mentioned. They must have been very confident, probably still are....
     
  3. Formaldehyde

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    This is just sick, even though most everybody already really knew why this travesty had occurred.

    What possible reason is there to "legitimately classify" any of this information, with the possible exception of the digital watch that has likely stopped working long ago, and a US official absurdly claiming the ISI was a terrorist organization?

    And once again, how was this "classified information" supposedly divulged by a private? Doesn't anybody in the military understand basic security measures, such as compartmentalization and enciphering of supposedly classified information?
     
  4. AL_DA_GREAT

    AL_DA_GREAT amour absinthe révolution

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    I have said it a thousand times. The "security" forces are way more dangerous than any terrorist.
     
  5. Incodcito

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    I'm beginning to think that Guantanamo is only a step above the Japanese internment camps.

    The existence of such a place is more of a security risk due to its rallying effect for extremists then the actual people housed at the prison, and I hope that an American president can discover his balls and do the right thing.
     
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    People were tortured in the Japanese internment camps?
     
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    Hmm. Yes, it's very "unfortunate" when you get caught violating human rights and falsely imprisoning innocent people.
     
  8. Patroklos

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    I have explained the difference between classification levels before, and will note that nothing released by wilileaks on this topic are above secret.

    In other words, you are summarizing a 1000 page book based on one line out of one page.
     
  9. RedRalph

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    What difference does any of that make? This is ridiculous stuff... the sort of thing you would have expected from the regimes currently being overthrown in the ME for doing this sort of thing
     
  10. Mercenary82

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    I wonder why Obama insists on covering for Bush's crimes, he can shut guantanamo down and it won't embarass his administration, it will just further expose Bush's administration.
     
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    This is horribly untrue. The security forces are certainly causing a problem on peaceful civilians, and certainly cause an amount of unfair harm. But, truly, they're nowhere near the horror caused by the terrorists.

    We're talking about suicide bombers that collect in groups of civilians, with secondary bombers attacking rescuers.

    It's night and day. Sure, with the security forces, the 'day' looks pretty overcast at times. But it's still night and day. Completely different levels of evil.
     
  12. ParadigmShifter

    ParadigmShifter Random Nonsense Generator

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    Why are you debating with a white supremacist neo-nazi?
     
  13. Patroklos

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    So are you denying that what wikileaks has made available is a miniscule portion of the whole, from a level of classification below what most of Guantanamo uses and thus from a POV of those not read into the full picture anyways?

    Thanks for pointing that out RRW. Its not like summarizing a 1000 page book from one line out of one page. Its more like summarizing a 1000 page book out of one line of one page from a review of the book before publishing.
     
  14. RedRalph

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    So what? Do you have to read every detail of every single episode in history to make a judgement on it? Did you read up on every single detail of McCain's positions before deciding to support it? Did you read the entire Patriot Act before you decided it was a good idea? Have you read any more than a 'miniscule proportion' of the available info on the Iranian, Venezuelan, Chinese and North Korean governments before deciding to oppose them? Are you still undecided on Bashar al-Assad because you must have read something like a hundred thousandth of the available info on him?

    Do you honestly think there is going to be anything in this report there that justifies this?
     
  15. JollyRoger

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    None of this is all that ground breaking. Some professors and students at Seton Hall law school figured this out years ago with sources publically available from the Department of Defense.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seton_Hall_study
     
  16. Incodcito

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    I don't think so, but the numbers allow it to take the "title" and be worse.
     
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    It would never have happened if 3 Japanese people, the only 3 people of Japanese descent on an island with 136 residents, including 2 American citizens born in Hawaii, hadn't collaborated to assist a downed Japanese pilot in the days after Pearl Harbor.
     
  18. Mercenary82

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    Supposed "liberal" New York Times is now covering for Obama on this issue also, I guess they are playing the role of Fox now.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/25/w...s-in-an-american-limbo.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1


    This is a pretty good article on the story.
     
  19. Patroklos

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    You are not understanding, pay attention.

    The level of these documents are SECRET, the security level of most of Guantanamo is TOP SECRET. That means that if people in one office with SECRET access say or file something entirely wrong based on their lack of access, the person in the office next door who sees that false report won't be able to correct it because that would be divulging TOP SECRET information to someone cleared for SECRET.

    This is simple RRW, you simply want to believe what you want to believe.

    Why are you wanting to believe reports from a classification level below what encompasses to locations/people/events you are interested it? Thats like using a guide book on Egypt to travel Japan.
     
  20. JollyRoger

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    Just imagine how damning the Top Secret documents are if the merely Secret documents are this damaging to the reputation of the U.S.
     

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