Guess the New Civs

[TheMarshmallowBear]

Do you guys think it's possible for the UA (for any civ) to be getting Spies earlier? But then that would automatically force a new spy....

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

I don't think so, because all civs get spies all at once whenever any civ enters the renaissance.

 

[Drawmeus]

The trick is how to give them different ones. With England getting an extra spy, Russia seems the most difficult. Maybe make them more effective or promote faster, perhaps.

The problem is, from my perspective, I know of too many botched CIA coups. However, they were fans of that. America's real strength has been technological, however, so maybe more effective passive intelligence rather than covert missions.

That's the extent of what I can think of. None of these abilities, of course, have anything to do with the name of their UA.

Just from the revealed mechanics:
- Higher base quality of spies
- Faster promotion
- More available spies
- Better missions
- Better passive surveillance
- Faster reassigning them
- Faster completion of missions
- Get them earlier (unlikely but possible, see Polynesia and ocean embarkation)
- Resistant to enemy espionage attempts

They have plenty of design space to make unique mechanics.

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

Just from the revealed mechanics:
- Higher base quality of spies
- Faster promotion
- More available spies
- Better missions
- Better passive surveillance
- Faster reassigning them
- Faster completion of missions
- Get them earlier (unlikely but possible, see Polynesia and ocean embarkation)
- Resistant to enemy espionage attempts

They have plenty of design space to make unique mechanics.

They could easily give one nation ability to get 1 spy earlier, (in Medieval era) but nobody gets them until ANY nation gets to Reinassance, also, the early one would have to either be unable to get one at Future Era or at Reinassance)

 

[Dregor]

I still think it'll be Zulu, Ethiopia, and another North American native civ.

 

[MadDjinn]

I agree with that. The trick is to think of other good religion bonuses.

Getting faith from X would copy the Celts, so I don't think they'll do that twice.
Obviously, the Byzantines get more bonuses.
I thought of an idea to give Ethiopia special follower bonuses for their cities. For example, if you can only get the bonuses if you have to declare a religion, Ethiopia's ability would be to get all bonuses in cities regardless of which religion you have.

I'm sure there are ways to think of others, but making them unique could be difficult.

well, taking culture as an example:

UA culture bonus (generic, but there's city culture spread, faster SPs, increased cpt from city states, etc)
UA/U culture bonus (Aztec culture from kills)
UB culture bonuses (a few).

So there's always directions to make things 'different', as long as it's not that similar.

 

[nokmirt]

The topic is actually "Guess the new civ" not "what civs would make it if it were up to you."

Just because you think a civ would be a good fit doesn't mean there's enough to make them a solid choice in-game. I'd love to see Poland in game, but I'm not sure if they would fit as another medieval European power.

I'm guessing out of the remaining civs to be announced, there will be one African civ (I'm thinking Ethiopia for it's religious tradition) and possibly another Native American civ more based on Religion (Hopi? Mississippi? Cherokee?)

What, are you talking about? Of of course it is up to us to decide what we think those guesses are. Yes! By what we decide with our own brains. And also by what civs we like. It says guess the news civs. It does not say choose the new civs based on what you think a perfect fit in the game would be, because who truly knows that? No one does. Why should there be a conflict based on our choices. Its not for you to decide what civs I choose or if they are good for the game or not. This should be a civil discussion. We should not have to worry about posting a choice because someone else may not like it. Sorry, but you sound just a bit condescending there.

Now I have made my choices and stand by them. BTW all Indian tribes had religion and gods. I choose the Sioux. Ethiopia would make a fine addition to the game.

 

[shaglio]

Just from the revealed mechanics:
- Higher base quality of spies
- Faster promotion
- More available spies
- Better missions
- Better passive surveillance
- Faster reassigning them
- Faster completion of missions
- Get them earlier (unlikely but possible, see Polynesia and ocean embarkation)
- Resistant to enemy espionage attempts

They have plenty of design space to make unique mechanics.

- Caught spies don't get executed, but need to take a longer break between missions (not likely)
- Caught spies don't get executed, but can be purchesed back by paying a ransom

 

[Gucumatz]

Yes it sounds funny how I said it though. No geography lessons needed! As far as Wallachia is concerned I was thinking of Vlad the Impaler. A bad guy to fight the Turks. I also thought of Tibet because of my dog who happens to be a Lhasa Apso. In civ its all about fun every civ is good in some way. It's a game, though I love to associate it with history.

This conversation is not really about who is good and bad for civ choices. Really its about who you would want to have if you had a choice.

I would say a religious imperial civ. The 700s were Tibet's prime and they managed a huge empire and forced the Tang to treat them as an equal. A lot of Tibetan culture/writing spread initially throughout Asia due to their empire. Maybe a hill/faith/embassy style civ. Like cities or conquered cities 2 tiles within a mountain/hill automatically convert to your religion.

 

[Mango Elephant]

I hope Tibet is in! I'd die.

 

[ehecatzin]

It would be really interesting for both Russia and US to have spy bonuses alongside with England, after all late game is supposed to form 3 blocks from what we know.

Perhaps they could get better chance to carry on missions like coup or rigging elections (making it easier to form power blocks) or something like: getting spy points based on the number of allied CS, which sounds nice for Russia flavor wise.

I think there's still room for bonuses besides +1 spy for England

For african nation I felt a bit nostalgic for Zulu, BUT the more I hear about Ethiopia and Kongo the more sense they make to be in the game, now Im hoping they make it to G&K.

 

[Verified_Confection_Being]

I really REALLY don't want them to change the UA's of civs unless they have to, like with the Songhai really. I'm really disappointed they changed England already, because that was the sort of thing they could have added in a second leader to do. That's what i'd like to see them do really. In the next expansion (presuming there is one) i'm thinking lots of alternate leaders and a handful of new civs, so some of the long lasting civs can have more of their history represented.

 

[nokmirt]

I would say a religious imperial civ. The 700s were Tibet's prime and they managed a huge empire and forced the Tang to treat them as an equal. A lot of Tibetan culture/writing spread initially throughout Asia due to their empire. Maybe a hill/faith/embassy style civ. Like cities or conquered cities 2 tiles within a mountain/hill automatically convert to your religion.

They were tough at that time. I do believe a Tibetan would be an interesting addition to CiV. I know there is the CS of Lhasa, but I am sure they could add some differnt ones to replace any city names used for new civs.

I like your ideas for religious spread as well.

I hope Tibet is in! I'd die.

My Lhasa Apso would too. He has already been trying to dig his way back there whenever I put him out in the back yard. Either that or he heard about the new WWI era and he's trying to build trenchlines. Not sure which!

I'm really disappointed they changed England already, because that was the sort of thing they could have added in a second leader to do.

Whoa! Hold your horses a minute. How did they change England's UA?

 

[GenjiKhan]

It would be really interesting for both Russia and US to have spy bonuses alongside with England, after all late game is supposed to form 3 blocks from what we know.

Perhaps they could get better chance to carry on missions like coup or rigging elections (making it easier to form power blocks) or something like: getting spy points based on the number of allied CS, which sounds nice for Russia flavor wise.

I think there's a good chance that the Order/Autocracy/Freedom SP branches give espionage bonus,which eliminates the need to boost US UA and Russia UA . And from the comments of many users,US UA isn't underpowered enough to need a boost,unlike England UA which is restricted to sea maps and really needs a boost to be good on land maps as well .

 

[Verified_Confection_Being]

Whoa! Hold your horses a minute. How did they change England's UA?

They're getting an extra spy aren't they?

 

[nokmirt]

They're getting an extra spy aren't they?

Yes, I saw that just a moment ago in another thread. Could it be 007?

 

[Pouakai]

Apparently it's called James.

 

[Verified_Confection_Being]

Apparently it's called James.

Everyone knows a good theme song means its true.

 

[craig123]

Apparently it's called James.

I'd rather it was called Francis Walsingham. Oh well...

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

I'd rather it was called Francis Walsingham. Oh well...

Well... actually...... there could be a spy named Francis Walsingham... because if they stated that England is getting a spy NAMED James, that means that possibly each civilization will get certain (if not all) specific named spies.