I think one of the best ways to learn is making mistakes that can be then corrected. Here it seems it got OP thinking whether or not to build barracks and he arrived to the right conclusion. It would be different if he was completely new to the game.How do people learn the basics if you don't mention it?
[BTS] HA timing/tech order
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Jellybug
Warlord
T84, 775BC. Got writing in five turns so I could scout, still have a small and growing bank of gold.
8HAs already, five turns sooner than my previous attempt. Unluckier with diplo this time around, as Alex has just declared on me with three phalanges and two spears. Without metal, trading against his spears is inefficient. I may overwhelm him in open field, so I should be able to deal with that stack, but it will probably leave me with little recourse offensively. Better to whip an archer and defend, or go balls deep on his stack? I also wonder whether it is a better strategy to just defend with archers and go after ghandi, but ghandi has metal too and is too far away. Justin is a no go as with 6 cities he probably has metal and can match my production
I still like this go around more. I have a better economy with a few growing cottages and a faster mass of HAs
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8HAs already, five turns sooner than my previous attempt. Unluckier with diplo this time around, as Alex has just declared on me with three phalanges and two spears. Without metal, trading against his spears is inefficient. I may overwhelm him in open field, so I should be able to deal with that stack, but it will probably leave me with little recourse offensively. Better to whip an archer and defend, or go balls deep on his stack? I also wonder whether it is a better strategy to just defend with archers and go after ghandi, but ghandi has metal too and is too far away. Justin is a no go as with 6 cities he probably has metal and can match my production
I still like this go around more. I have a better economy with a few growing cottages and a faster mass of HAs
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I think 3rd wb is probably a mistake. It's 30
for not much value, as you are struggling to use all the food as it is.
Also... Maybe slavery is not good since you have those mines, which means that maybe granaries are not good, which means maybe pottery is not good... What kind of HBR-date would you get if you worked coast when necessary and skipped every tech that is not strictly necessary for this strategy?
for not much value, as you are struggling to use all the food as it is.Also... Maybe slavery is not good since you have those mines, which means that maybe granaries are not good, which means maybe pottery is not good... What kind of HBR-date would you get if you worked coast when necessary and skipped every tech that is not strictly necessary for this strategy?
Ah, that is a bit unfortunate.
I think now you basically have to attack. Other options:
1. Defend in city. Actually worse, city raider promos, no culture. I don’t think one unpromoted, unfortified archer will help
2. Move army out. An option, but I don’t think you can afford to lose Tokyo (and I’m sure your horses would be pillaged soon after).
Glass half full version - well it’s much more fun to take out this stack on the flatland than fortified in a hill city!
I think this basically means your target is Alex too, get a new army and go after him! Hopefully he’ll focus on phalanxes from now on!
I think now you basically have to attack. Other options:
1. Defend in city. Actually worse, city raider promos, no culture. I don’t think one unpromoted, unfortified archer will help
2. Move army out. An option, but I don’t think you can afford to lose Tokyo (and I’m sure your horses would be pillaged soon after).
Glass half full version - well it’s much more fun to take out this stack on the flatland than fortified in a hill city!
I think this basically means your target is Alex too, get a new army and go after him! Hopefully he’ll focus on phalanxes from now on!
Jellybug
Warlord
I played on a bit and I can just about take the jungle city with the second wave of Horse archers. Could also swing around to the south, which is where a metal is. Tried sabotaging copper mine with chariot but got intercepted, and for all I know, hidden Athens has copper anyway. The problem here is I won't have the momentum I need to make this worth it. I can slowly trawl through Alex on emperor, but that's the sort of dirty game I am trying to avoid by replaying.
I am curious about the no-pottery, slow building situation as well, so I'm going to try that as per Samsa's suggestion. I will start from the T28 save since without foreknowledge I would absolutely be getting BW and revolting into slavery to whip the labor. @sampsa when going without pottery/granaries, I still ought to 2-pop whip away unhappiness at happy cap, right?
I thought about going without whipping to save 1T. I'll play and see if it works out at all...
edit: One thing that pops into mind is that agri is completely unnecessary.
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Jellybug
Warlord
Quite an improvement over turn 80 or so. I attempted to replicate your build order and got T62 HA, still miles ahead of the first two runs. I think I built a mine after chopping two forests into the settler. It cost me a few turns on settling and a slower second workboat = less coin. I will say I lack the foresight to have foregone Agri and Pottery here, never would have thought of that.
Thank you for all the help Nick and Sampsa. I feel a lot more comfortable going into my next game.
Thank you for all the help Nick and Sampsa. I feel a lot more comfortable going into my next game.
If your starting HA builds at 1000bc something has gone awry. That is normally the date you want to be ready by. Even with a slow starter like Toku. You seem to be learning quick here. In safe hands with Sampsa.It goes to show what micro and planning really does here. Such as skipping agriculture. Shaves many turns off HA. Loss of 1f.
I chopped two forests in the W of capital, then under 2nd city spot to settle 1T faster.
T73
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No losses killing two archers (~80% odds). 1T of healing, move towards
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