Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Kyriakos, Jul 10, 2020.
So are they going to plaster up the frescoes again or leave them as they are?
There aren’t any frescoes there, they’re mosaics.
For practical purposes I don't much care to which version of our imaginary overlords any building is dedicated in any given time but at some point some buildings achieve status of a cultural monument hence I share the Kyriakos' view that the museum use would be the best option here. Even better if it could be an anti-religion museum like the ones in the SU in 20s & 30s but in the current state of Turkey that's highly unlikely so I'd settle just with a museum. Still, as others have pointed out, it's their building so the opinion of others hardly matters.
stupid tablet , ran out of power again , eating my post again ... Oh-kay let me try later .
I'm guessing that Erdogan will not dare to destroy anything, cover some perhaps. Or perhaps not even that, try to keep it both as a touristic spot and a mosque. But that won't be an easy coexistence. And he does have his own cadre of religious fanatics, who may get out of control. Let's just hope no new iconoclasm happens.
Plenty of mosques have tourists visit but tourists normally have to visit outside of prayer times and dress appropriately. The Hagia Sophia is one of the top tourist attractions so that also makes it more complicated.
they will have carpets on the ground , curtains in front of the walls . They are to surrender the place in one piece when the country is no longer one of Turks , you know , despite all the talk .
Could be worse. If the ANZACs captured it in 1915 they would have used it to selfish and chips or turned it into a brewery.
of the things that have so far happened in the last week or so :
-so little "resistance" from the Opposition , despite the PM branding Atatürk a traitor (for the conversion into a museum) because New Turkey wins any verbal altercation because New Turkey owns practically 95% of the media
-one single farmer in the East no longer sees Main Opposition as a "terrorist organisation" . Because he has named his children after the family members of the PM and because the State is owned by companies and the said companies show no mercy when it is their money and the guy's illegal electricity system is being demolished
-flags are being burned in Greece , one party that polled 3.77% in their elections has called for the "capture" of the house Kemal was born in 1881 and currently is a museum owned by Turkey
-the law for establishing new lawyers' associations have been passed . This was a Congregation project because they couldn't win elections there . Having diverted all their people in Justice to become judges and district attorneys , they didn't have anyone left to act as "defence" in courts . As a result Istanbul , Ankara and Izmir , the biggest cities and having 55% of all lawyers in the country will hencefort will be able to send only 4% of all delegates to any general convention of lawyers .The current secretary person was once running to lead the CHP , created so may crises with firm resistance to the PM , woved "Justice!" ... for the case of the lawyer . See , there is this wedding between some important families of New Turkey and the whole evenig traffic is brought to a standstill as the average cavalcade of the PM is going to the wedding the guy shouts behind PM's car ... Has been beaten in relays as every clique in the PM's bodyguards take their turn because if only one group beats up a lawyer , they alone would get the bonus . So many people think the current secretary person is an accomplice , a so regular and normal thing with regards to anything involving New Turkey . Before Ayasofya came up the police was beating 60 year old lawyers in the street and barring them from walking on pavements of Ankare because coronavirus
-russian response was considered harsher than expected
-the rate of unemployment fell from 13,2% in March to 12.8 in April , you the first corona month here
-they will cover the frescoes and stuff with lazers , no lasers because some "Muslim" no doubt has some lasers he found in the UK or USA . Those two have no lazers
-the next step is confusing . Either the removal of the Latin alphabet or outright declaration of Caliphate
-or maybe not . This is called ölümü gösterip sıtmaya razı etmek . Anyone would choose getting malaria instead of being dead totally . You will be relaxed by the soft talking that follows , accept the political needs of the Party was paramount and agree and in return the Party will start acting logically and reasonably and this is surely the last such silly crazy acting . Except the it's all in the plans and what was once long term is now short term
-is it though ? The Islamist thinking in this country was all about gaining power . The early ones were all about finances and the all , making such cool profits on Saudi payments to realise Vehhabi conversion of the public . Congregation collected the smartest kids of the Right in this country and they did such lacework of gaining real control , America saw them biting bigger than they could chew and removed them from the equation . The guiding principle of the what remain is stealing whatever they can
-you are all fools to think there is any "Muslim" ban on lottery and similar stuff . The big wins of lotto or whatever is repeatedly goes to same neighbourhoods in the same city . They were actually caught on live TV cheating , because live TV shows of lottery became a thing to get rid of any accusations of trickery
-seems foolish to claim with matchless powers and prestige of the PM . Yet it was his son-in-law's troll farm that caused the second elections in Istanbul , because CHP would remove them from a nice municipality owned office building . Of course many people would correct this to "Son-in-law's family would loose a lot of money from contracts" but the recent hiring of an A-K-P type official to run the finances of the metropolitan municipality only proves an understanding would inevitably happen and the temporary losses of the aristocrats of New Turkey would be re-compansated . There are 5 big companies , wrongly depicted as ring wearing nazguls as seen in the Lord of the Rings and when two of them were bidding and a third non related company won some contract , the entire competition was annulled . The bidding will be re-done and one of the two will win
-see , what a victory covers ? They have also won in Libya . They will "possibly" get the airbase lately in the news for being bombed . ı have basic math skills and some understanding of the nature of the modern aerial warfare . If basing some manned jets in some airbase you will be like better to control maybe 10 kilometers from the perimeters to prevent your enemy sending MANPADS teams to down your planes while taking off or landing . Maybe makes up to 500 square kilometers , right ? This TV debate show says 50 000 . Like twice the size of Thrace , just conquered . The map of Libya is shown , green is the area controlled by Trablus (New Turkey's people) and it covers maybe a quarter or a third of Libya . The rest of the country is painted yellow . Actually it is written on the map that yellow shows deserts . See , they conquered Libya and we didn't even hear about it
-new Turkey also invented the stealth dam . Built over some small river , money paid to the contractors , ceremonially opened by the Party , serving the country . Except the MPs of the terrorist organisation of CHP went to the declared area and were not able to spot the dam
-450 million liras of cost ? Nothing to New Turkey ! Some contractor to the Adana Metropolitan had business and was unpaid and kept the debt for ages . The Party lost and the contractor went to court after ages and the State confiscated the mayor's table and desk . Istanbul Metropolitan just lost 565 million dollars of loans from abroad in a similar operation . Instead of building further stages of a metro line , it will be used to pay the debts of the A-K-P era to some contractor , no doubt with enough experience of building stealth dams . Ayasofya , what's that , do you eat it or something ? PM is quite good in politics , he would bankrupt the political capital of the Opposition by financially throttling them but troll farms intervened and the gap went up from 13 000 votes to 800 000 in the second elections .Do you know that when Imamoğlu first visited the PM with other mayors , the chair he sat on suddenly gave way and he almost fell down ? Things you can do with saws ... To better understand this paragraph you must remember a throne signifies holding power
-well , Greeks would be angry . Their primary mistake stems from thinking they are at the same level with Ankara with fewer numbers of things and just that . When Turks come they can only fight us , a minor percentage of what America or Russia will bring to battle and lose . Ankara on the other hand (with whatever form of Goverment in power) can cite laws and traditions and the suffering of people and can do great things about backstabbing , too . Greeks were no doubt deceived by some bribery investigation in the US , about the most expensive drug in the world . Supposedly 21 pages long , 9 of them solely about New Turkey , how the American company is educating its employees here about not paying bribes , on the day they were paying bribes . That this would cool down the ardour of converting Ayasofya though there can't be many more rabbits left in the hat of New Turkey . The niece of Trump claims his uncle paid somebody to take the exams in his place ? New Turkey is twice better . PM passed the laws himself , that to become a President you have to be graduate of a 4 years long university . And the debate is eternal that he finished a 3 year long one and either no one ever saw his diploma or there are 4 different versions of the said diploma . Just making a point of how laws apply differently to different people
-and of course there would be backroom deals . What do you call it , some university thing about educating priests , a seminary perhaps ? There's one on Heybeliada , an island in the Marmara . Was closed in 1971 or thereabouts during some fight with the Greeks about their regular assimilation attempts in Western Thrace and closing Turkish schools there . Has long been an American demand that it should be reopened because they need some prestige as they raise their orthodox priests to work against Russia . Its re-opening would be a sure gift to Biden because nobody in A-K-P will ever think or say they won't be in power when Biden or Biden's VP die and get buried . Problem ? A-K-P has been gifting islands to Greece for years , as if it owned them , surely some fools would talk about it ? Who cares !!!!! The problem is the religious agency of New Turkey , because nobody working in it will have a positive word about the Republic anyhow . See , they were imagining to get the seminary or at least the areas around it , because the only thing New Turkey knows is laying concrete , were imagining palatial offices already . The head of the agency would loose prestige if priests got to sit in his personal palace so he has asked for compensation ... He wants a "Kuran kursu" in Ayasofya , a class for children teaching letters to read the Kuran and basic principles of Islam and rituals
-guess what , a forest fire on Heybeliada . It seems back in the day the seperatists burned some forests in some resort area and bragged about it online and they couldn't be replanted and hotels have filled any open areas . Who wants to bet the building of the religious authority will dwarf the seminary ? Yeah , at some place called Lovers' Lane and near the seminary , too
so it happened . The guy with the sword in hand is the head of the Religious Authority . The Voice of Russia stressed it very much that it is an Ottoman tradition that happens either at the conquest of the town (and the conversion of the biggest temple into a mosque) or coronation of a new sultan . lf in the right hand , it means sultan will start his reign with war , if on the left peace for the duration . Except of course Ayasofya has been "Turkish" since 1453 and it wouldn't be him getting coronated anyhow . Though that toylike sword (no doubt copied from what Arab sheiks wear to oil summits or European escorts) would be bad PR for the PM who was just an humble Kuran reader and also America has started another court case against Halkbank , a bank within you know what . Not much coverage at the time ı opened the TV , apparently because "Muslims" have covered themselves with glory . No , Ottoman sultans were crowned or whatever in some Ottoman built mosque . This is like some joyful thing , because they think they are killing the Republic . When there were too much of a crowd , the Police closed the streets and "Muslims" beat up the woman driver of the tram that stopped . Don't know why that is like so much a symbol of New Turkey . We are told there were 350 000 people , kinda far below millions claimed to be mobilized for PM rallies . Also hearing Anıtkabir in Ankara was closed for disinfectation business because they are actually counting people passing through the gates and half a million visitors in a day could be easily expected . Symbols you know . lt was also the anniversary of Lausanne Treaty which the Opposition loves to cite as the document that shows the country belongs to the Turkish Nation . Also easy to see that opening day was chosen on purpose . Al Crusading coverage offers the cover that it was a court , which the PM "supported" . You know , there are three different narratives . lt is New Turkey's right if you hear it in this country . To Americans and the like , courts decided so and it will be open to all religions . PM personally promised Putin that Christians would be allowed . To the Arab world , it is the harbinger of the freedom of El Aksa in Kudüs because "Muslims" took Ayasofya from some sort of Jews ; you would think they were promising to to liberate Kudüs , except Arabs know how Arab Warfare is conducted and pay no attention . Also hearing flags flying at half mast in Greece and priests praying the very prayer at the time lstanbul fell in 1453 ... You know , Greeks love New Turkey , as easier , they would of course support New Turkey's thing of conquest ...
uhm , kind of post that needs 15 advisors to mention everything . Also today it has been said honour killing of unfaithful women is an essential part of the society ...
edit : auto correction in tablets are even worse .
Quick, Mit, I found him, he is here! Send some of your goons!
I blame the Normans for backstabbing Byzantine in 1204,
Greeks backstabbing Bulgaria in 1913
Stop backstabbing Byzantine
Turkey is just on its swing to Islam and the Middle east again, give it a little time the pendulum will swing back to the west again in due time. (generally when Islamist collapse the economy and the Military steps in)
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